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Created on : Thursday, April 13, 2006, 01:22:17 pm
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(Original Air Date: 04/21/06) Being a parent is hard enough, but what happens when Mom and Dad can't agree on how many kids to have, how to raise 'em and how to get ‘em to sleep?  Sometimes, it can lead to an all-out baby war! Matt's baby battle ended up in front of a judge and made headlines. He was ordered to pay child support for the baby he had with his ex-girlfriend, but he says he shouldn't have to cough up the money because she told him she wasn't able to get pregnant, and he told her he didn't want to be a father. He, his attorney, and the director of the National Center for Men discuss the lawsuit they filed, known as “Roe v. Wade for Men,” arguing that men should have a constitutional right to avoid fatherhood. Next, Dan says even though he and his wife, Lisa, already have four children, he wants just one more. Lisa has been pregnant on and off for 11 years and says she's closed for baby business. Will Dr. Phil help Dan see Lisa's point that four is enough? Then, a frustrated husband is camping out on the roof of his house and living in a tent. He refuses to go back to his bedroom until his wife moves their kids out of their bed and starts paying more attention to him. Can Dr. Phil get him to come down the ladder? Plus, a sleep expert has a simple method for getting your child to sleep through the night. See the plan in action! Share advice and talk about the show here.

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April 24, 2006, 9:46 pm PDT

04/21 Baby Wars

Quote From: carinidiaz

No sorry- disagree. ZIP IT UP. You want intimacy without the risk? Get to know the shower "on your own". No contraception needed.
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS INTIMACY WITHOUT RISK.  AND UNTIL YOU ARE MATURE ENOUGH TO FACE THE FACT THAT NOT ALL PROTECTION WORKS WELL......KEEP IT IN YOUR PANTS....OR     SUPPORT YOUR CHILD      UNCONDITIONALLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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April 24, 2006, 9:54 pm PDT

WHAT??????????

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I am a mother of one and this is the show I have been waiting for.  I have felt for many years that men do not have enough options when it comes to having children.  I think that Matt is 100% on the money.  Why should he pay for a child he never had any intention of keeping.  If the mother decided to give the baby up for adoption then she would not pay child-support to the parents, would she?  Men do not have enough rights when it comes to babies, the woman can give the child up or terminate the pregnancy.  What choice does the man have, none.  That is wrong.  If the woman wants to keep the baby and the man was upfront at the beginning that he did not want a baby, then the woman MAKES A CHOICE TO BE A SINGLE PARENT AND SHOULD LEAVE THAT MAN ALONE.  I would not want to be forced to have a child, I don't think anyone should be, the man should have the same choices as the woman, always.  Us ladies wanted equal rights, then it should work both ways. 

WOULD YOU ABANDON YOUR CHILD? 

SO, WHY SHOULD HE? 

NOT ALL CHILDREN ARE MADE BY CHOICE....SOME ARE MADE BY SURPRISE...AND MY CHILDREN ARE MY GREATEST SURPRISE.....THE LOVES OF MY LIFE....AND ANYONE WHO WALKS AWAY FROM THAT OR EVEN THINKS WALKING AWAY FROM THAT IS A FOOL..... SO WHY ADVISE HIM TO DO SO....HE DID MAKE A FOOL OF HIMSELF BUT DON'T FUEL THE FIRE AND GIVE HIM ANY MORE REGRETS THAN HE WILL HAVE LATER IN LIFE.   BESIDES, IF SHE NEVER TOLD HIM....AND HE FOUND OUT LATER....WOULD HE SUE HER THEN FOR SOME OTHER REASON.....IF SHE ACTUALLY 'MADE A CHOICE TO BE A SINGLE PARENT'   THEN THIS WOULD HAVE NEVER MADE IT ON TELEVISION. 

  

 
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April 24, 2006, 10:00 pm PDT

WISH I HAD SOMETHING TO HELP

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men do not have the same rights when it comes to adoption.  My son has been taken away from me I have been fighting for a year.  The laws are written so that it looks like men have rights. but all of the woman has to do is lie in the courtroom and those rights are gone.  It is very easy for women who wishes to get rid of their children to terminate a father parental rights.  In Kansas they hire one lawyer for the adoptive parents and the mother who also represents the child.  Unfortunately lawyers will do anything to get their money that includes telling woman exactly what they need to do to terminate a father's parental rights. any man who believes he has parental rights when it comes to adoption is sadly mistaken.  I would've never believed that I had absolutely no rights until after it happened to me.

WHEN I WAS PREGNANT WITH MY 1ST CHILD, I CONSIDERED ADOPTION.  HER FATHER WAS NEVER TOLD,BY ME, THAT I WAS PREGNANT.   OUR RELATIONSHIP WAS STRICTLY SEX, NEVER PLANNED ON CHILDREN, ESPECIALLY WITH HIM....WELL, THE PROTECTION DIDNT WORK, AND HERE SHE WAS...MY ATTORNEY SAID THAT THERE IS A PAPER THAT IS PRINTED UP THAT WOULD POST THE NAME OF THE POTENTIAL FATHER....AND IF HE SAW IT    WELL FINE   HE COULD CONTEST    BUT IF HE DIDNT     HE WAS   S. O. L....... 

HOWEVER 

A FORCED ADOPTION HERE MEANS THAT THE PARENT WHO WOULD BE LOOSING HIS/HER RIGHTS WOULD BE ABOUT THE SAME AS A DEAD BEAT PARENT....( THEY ARE NOT ONLY DADS).....THEN      I UNDERSTAND THE ADOPTION BEING 'FORCED'........I WISH YOU LUCK. 

 
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April 24, 2006, 10:02 pm PDT

04/21 Baby Wars

Quote From: oleannder

Well that was innane. So anybody who doesn't want a child should deny themselves intimacy with another human being?  

  

I can not stand the abstinence arguement. It is ridiculous to expect anyone to give up such a wonderful aspect of being alive and well just because a few people do not know how to effectively use birth control or do not know what kinds of different elements will render it useless.  

  

What we really need is for more people to do their homework about their birth control methods & for people to stop protesting that sex education is being taught in schools. To ensure that as a society we are well informed & equiped for what lies ahead in life is the only way that we are going to grow as a people.  

  

So remember kids Auntie Oleannder says: 

  

1) check the expiration date on your condoms & make sure they are of good quality & correct sizing. 

  

2) take your pills, shots, patch when you are supposed to. Don't start skipping doses & if you miss one then use a back up method of protection.  

  

3) if you are on the pill make sure to remind your doctor of this fact if you are being perscribed antibiotics - most kinds will render your pill obsolete for the duration of the antibiotic run.  

  

4) IUD users - an IUD is so small that you may never be able to tell if your body has rejected it & flushed it out. Always use a secondary backup.  

  

And remember not every method is effective so if you are really worried then always use extra precautions, however if you are using more then three methods at the same time & still wind up preggers...... then the laws of nature are just out to get you.  

ZIP IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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April 24, 2006, 10:05 pm PDT

04/21 Baby Wars

Quote From: buckity

Yes, decisions are made to oppose one parent's choice after the other parent makes their choice clear. How else would the legal process work? How would it be initiated? People don't typically take each other to court over agreements about child support and custody.
YOUR COMMENTS ARE GIVING DEAD BEAT PARENTS AMMO......THIS IS A BABY......THIS ISN'T AN OBJECT THAT CAN JUST BE SOLD OR GIVEN AWAY.....SINCE MEN AND WOMEN ARE DIFFERENT THERE ARE DIFFERENT RESPONSIBILITIES/CHOICES....AND ONCE WE MAKE/TAKE EACH OF THOSE......THE CONCERN SHOULD BE ABOUT THE BABY....NOT THAT IT WAS UNWANTED.
 
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April 24, 2006, 10:07 pm PDT

04/21 Baby Wars

Quote From: julie1418

When I first read this, is sounded reasonable, but I'm not sure it's really fair to the child. It's tantamount to saying that a child born to a father who chooses to opt out of the child's life must live in poverty regardless of the father's income. Isn't it bad enough that a child, who did not choose the circumstances of his/her birth, is summarily rejected by an irresponsible parent?  

   

I'm not adverse to revisiting child support laws, specifically to consider the mother's income, but I'm not sure this is the answer.  

   

I am not unsympathetic to your personal struggles, but the fact remains that your husband chose to engage in irresponsible behavior and then compounded his bad choices to agreeing to a ridiculous scheme to cover his tracks. If you choose to remain married to him, unfortunately you may also bear the burden of suffering the consequences. If your husband's version of events is accurate, it doesn't seem reasonable that he should have to pay child support, but his own behavior in this matter is so bizarre and suspect that the truth will be difficult to prove. You know the old saying about laying down with the dogs.....  

   

Your case has nothing to do with the Dubay case or other child support cases. Do we really want to send the  message that a man's sole responsibility is to utter the words "I don't want children"?   

GOOD START....... 

I DONT REALLY SEE IT AS UNFAIR TO THE CHILD...BUT A LITTLE WORK WITH THE RIGHT PEOPLE AND LEGAL TERMS.....I THINK YOU JUST MIGHT HAVE SOMETHING. 

 
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April 24, 2006, 10:19 pm PDT

WOW

Quote From: oleannder

I understand a lot of what you are trying to say here. The main problem lies in the fact that there are absentee & neglectful parents on both side, be they male or female.  

  

Isn't it funny how both sexes have people who have behaved in such an irresponsible fashion yet all we can seem to do is harp on the evils of either side & place blame rather then try to come up with form of a solution? For human beings to get anywhere as a race we all need to stop seeing one another as the cause of all of our problems & instead focus on the ways that we as individuals can improve on our own situations without negatively influancing someone else.  

  

I would like to see a world in which a new child can be a joy to everyone & not have the burden of parental (be it maternal or paternal) regret straight from birth. Forcing another individual to live a life altering decision that they had no input in is akin to a jail sentance, only this jail sentance can affect generations to come.  

WHEN IM DONE ON HERE IM LOOKING FOR THAT BOOK ONLINE. 

MY HUSBAND IS ONCE DIVORCED, IN THE MILITARY, AND GETTING PUSHED AROUND BY THE X-WIFE.  HE IS SUCH A KIND SOUL.....I JUST DONT KNOW HOW ANYONE COULD TREAT HIM THE WAY THEY DO....AND IT COST TOO MUCH TO GO BACK TO COURT FOR ALL OF THE THINGS THAT SHE DOES....MEAN THINGS.....HATEFUL......AND THEY ALL INVOLVE THE CHILDREN (7 AND 12) 

 
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April 24, 2006, 11:39 pm PDT

What is best for the baby

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Sex is fun, and sex makes babies. If you are really opposed to having children, then you should not be having sex.   

   

Yes, women have alot of power. We put out or not. We abort or not. I understand how that can seem terribly unfair. But here's the flip side. We carry the baby. We loose bone and blood for them We sit up at night while they cry. We take lesser jobs so we can spend time with them.   

   

Men do none of these things. I have been in a situation where I was on the pill and got pregnant anyhow. I chose to keep my son, how could i not, the creator himself chose me to raise him. I was young and poor and had to take state health insurance (medicaid).   

   

To get the medicaide,  I had to tell who the father was, even though he didn't want anything to do with us. I know for a fact that he has a support order against him that he isn't paying.   

   

BUT THAT ISN"T THE POINT  

   

The point is what is best for the baby. I have a child, that fact alters my life permanetly, If the guy has to pay a little child support, then so be it. But if he was so opposed to being a father, he should have gotten himself fixed. Its a quick and easy operation done in an out patient setting.  

But how can you say the point is what is best for the baby, and you are living on state aid, the baby has a father that doesnt want to be a father.  I don't call that in the best interest of a child.  I think what is in the best interest is a child being born with TWO parents that want him or her.  I was a single parent for 12 years...I'm married to a man that has a son from a woman that lied and got pregnant on purpose...and did it to several guys so she has kids from different men and then decided to go on state aid.  Its one thing if there is a relationship but to trick and lie to get a baby and then stick it on someone its wrong.  I think Men should have as much to say as a woman when it comes to their baby.  It takes two...why should he get scolded for not using birth control when women lie about it, or don't take it either.  Its not fair to make it all one sided...I dont know what the perfect solution is...but its not what happens now.  It promotes single young girls having kids and it promotes welfare moms having more kids for more benfits...and don't tell me it doesnt happen...I've met many...they know how to work the system. 

  

 
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April 24, 2006, 11:48 pm PDT

Baby wars

Quote From: lorieann

BOTH OF THOSE PARENTS HAD CHOICES.  

I DIDN'T CATCH WHAT SHE SAID ABOUT PROTECTION ON HER PART....BUT IT IS HER BODY AND SHE HAD THE ULTIMATE RESPONSIBILITY TO HAVE OR NOT HAVE A BABY...IF HE DIDN'T WANT CHILDREN, NOW OR LATER, THERE ARE OTHER WAYS TO PREVENT IT....AND THE ONLY 100% THING IS TO KEEP IT IN YOUR PANTS......LEARN TO PLEASE YOURSELF....HAVE SURGURY (IT CAN BE REVERSED)  

THE CHILD CUSTODY/VISITATION PROCESS HAS BEEN TURNED INTO A CONTRACT WHEN THE PARENTS AREN'T TOGETHER ANYMORE....THIS IS PROBABLY WHY HE THINKS THAT HE CAN SUE AND WIN......BECAUSE SHE  'LIED' ON HER CONTRACT ( IF THAT'S WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED)....HE CAN COME BACK AND 'VOID' THAT CONTRACT....THIS IS A HUMAN LIFE.....NOT A CONTRACT....IM SORRY YOU ARE GOING TO LOOSE SOME MONEY......AND I REALIZE THAT 'IT'S JUST NOT FAIR'.....GROW UP......YOU PROBABLY DONATE MORE THAN YOUR CHILD SUPPORT TO CHARITY..UNLESS YOU DON'T EVEN DONATE TO CHARITY.....  

I'm sorry but if you are in a relationship with someone, discuss having children or not being ready, are telling your partner that you are on birth control and can't get pregnant for other reasons on top of that...and make the choice to still sleep with him when he's not using anything....you are just as responsible as he is...so why should you get to decide it all.  These are babies...women are so wrong to force them on guys ...when did that ever make anything right?  How is creating a forced family good.  Sure it works out some times...I made the mistake and my son never knew his father...I cheated him out of a good solid family during his most important years.  I got married 3 years ago when he was 13 and it has changed his life.  But it doesnt fix it all and while I love him to death, I didnt do the best thing for him.  He's paid the price and its not fair.  So I come from the side that we as women need to do the right thing for the child...not to make ourselves feel good or look good.  I think its right to include both parties in deciding the right course.  Sometimes its not going to be all fuzzy and warm and happy endings.  Thats what happens when we don't think ahead and act responsibly.  If the laws are changed and women have to answer ALSO (men do by getting stuck with child support) it will make I think more responsible decisions and less children being born into single parent families, growing up without enough money and not enough family support.  It wont fix it all but it would be a good start.
 
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April 25, 2006, 12:02 am PDT

What's next, court-mandated adoption or abortion?

So, let's just say this guy and his little lawyer posse succeed in having the laws changed. Now, every time a man says "I don't want to be a father", it goes to court. Here, hypothetically, a woman who wants to keep her child is ordered by the court to give the baby up for adoption or have an abortion OR, better yet for this guy, 'relieve' this man forever from his financial responsibility for his child? Is this an area we really want our courts to enforce? Court-ordered abortion or court-ordered adoption? Just throwing this out there...
 
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