Quote From: julie1418I beg to differ with you on this one. The real ONLY way to get a level playing field for everyone is to stop this petty garbage of seeing each other in an adversarial light based on gender instead of taking each situation individually.
People are arguing that men and women would have absolute equality in this matter. I am pointing out that that simply isn't possible because we have completely different and unequal reproductive biology.
Men and women can be deceptive. Most are not. I, in general, love men....one in particular. Most guys I know are MAN enough to take responsibility to the actions, intended or not. That's what makes the other guys so disturbing.
Yet you don't seem to want Matt to have a say in the decision that would affect his life in the most profound way. Doesn't that seem a little one sided to you
okay....regardless if there was deceit, mistakes, or carelessness. BOTH a man and a woman have equal rights and access to birth control......only a woman has the right to an abortion (personally, I can't consider that to be such a great right as it is morally questionable at best) and since there is no WAY to perform an abortion on a man's body, we can't "level this playing field"....I don't believe allowing a man to opt out of financial support equals abortion. After the birth of a child, the COURTS have ruled that the CHILD is entitled to the financial support of both parents. Please read the court ruling posted by the LAWYER on the board. Despite the fact that some women may get around the law, laws dealing with giving child up for adoption are equal - BOTH parents must consent. This is only UNEQUAL if you are assuming no man would want to keep a child.....now that's a sad commentary on men!
Aside from abortion, all other options are EQUAL. You may argue for better custody or child support laws or better paternal notice.....tweak that part of the system....but to say a man does not have rights or a say in these decisions is false. Please read the laws...rather than judging on feelings or anecdotal experiences.
People are arguing that men and women would have absolute equality in this matter. I am pointing out that that simply isn't possible because we have completely different and unequal reproductive biology.
Is that why you seem to be so advesarial regarding the male position on this matter? Because they don't have the same reproductive system as us? As long as we keep seeing each other as different then that is how we will remain in every aspect of our lives. That is excatly why both sides need to be a little more sensitive to each others situations. It is also why we need more sexual health & development education available so that we individually can take better precautions & make more informed decisions.
okay....regardless if there was deceit, mistakes, or carelessness. BOTH a man and a woman have equal rights and access to birth control......only a woman has the right to an abortion (personally, I can't consider that to be such a great right as it is morally questionable at best) and since there is no WAY to perform an abortion on a man's body, we can't "level this playing field"....I don't believe allowing a man to opt out of financial support equals abortion. After the birth of a child, the COURTS have ruled that the CHILD is entitled to the financial support of both parents. Please read the court ruling posted by the LAWYER on the board. Despite the fact that some women may get around the law, laws dealing with giving child up for adoption are equal - BOTH parents must consent. This is only UNEQUAL if you are assuming no man would want to keep a child.....now that's a sad commentary on men!
Ok so you don't approve of abortion, many people do not & I think that as it is such a personal decision then I won't be getting into my own views as to wether or not I think it's moral. Moral or immoral it is still an available choice, but a rather moot one by now.
Adoption - neither parent can force the other to give a child up for adoption, nor should they be able to. I think the law that says that both parents have equal rights as to wether or not to give up their child is a good & fair one if done properly. However if that was an option that you had been persuing previously & your partner knew your intentions but wanted to raise the child themselves then they should be the ones to take sole responsibility for that child. Where in the world did you get the idea that I think that no man would want to keep a child? I know that there are plently of men out there who would love a chance to raise their child, in fact I had been speaking with one man earlier who has been trying desperately to locate his child after finding out that his formerly pregnant partner had hidden away for a few months so she could give birth in secret & then lie to the system & give up his baby without informing him. That is a sad commentary on human beings.
I realize that the courts have ruled that the child is entitled to support from both parents which would be fine & dandy if both parents had agreed to co-parenting this child but they didn't. If one parent had made their intentions clear from the onset & the other parent was unable or unable to go along with that decision then it is up to the parent who decided to raise the child themself to take sole responsibility for the child.
For arguements sake lets try out an alternate situation here. A woman becomes pregnant & informs her partner. She is not ready to have a baby & wants to abort. The father convinces her not to abort as he would like to raise the baby himself. She goes through a 9 month pregnancy & the strain of giving birth. She still does not want to be a mother & has made it clear that she wants nothing to do with the child. Adoption is not an option because the father has already said that he will raise the child. The father gets custody & then files for a support order. Is that fair? He knew of her intentions from the begining & decided to side step them to get what he wanted.
Aside from abortion, all other options are EQUAL. You may argue for better custody or child support laws or better paternal notice.....tweak that part of the system....but to say a man does not have rights or a say in these decisions is false. Please read the laws...rather than judging on feelings or anecdotal experiences.
Yes men have rights. We all know they do. However I do believe that the vast majority of us are also aware that in practice, regarding family court issues mothers tend to be more favored than fathers, wether it is acknowledged or not. . Go ahead & quote some laws if it will make you feel better but we both know that the laws as they are clearly are not working.
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