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Created on : Thursday, April 13, 2006, 01:22:17 pm
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(Original Air Date: 04/21/06) Being a parent is hard enough, but what happens when Mom and Dad can't agree on how many kids to have, how to raise 'em and how to get ‘em to sleep?  Sometimes, it can lead to an all-out baby war! Matt's baby battle ended up in front of a judge and made headlines. He was ordered to pay child support for the baby he had with his ex-girlfriend, but he says he shouldn't have to cough up the money because she told him she wasn't able to get pregnant, and he told her he didn't want to be a father. He, his attorney, and the director of the National Center for Men discuss the lawsuit they filed, known as “Roe v. Wade for Men,” arguing that men should have a constitutional right to avoid fatherhood. Next, Dan says even though he and his wife, Lisa, already have four children, he wants just one more. Lisa has been pregnant on and off for 11 years and says she's closed for baby business. Will Dr. Phil help Dan see Lisa's point that four is enough? Then, a frustrated husband is camping out on the roof of his house and living in a tent. He refuses to go back to his bedroom until his wife moves their kids out of their bed and starts paying more attention to him. Can Dr. Phil get him to come down the ladder? Plus, a sleep expert has a simple method for getting your child to sleep through the night. See the plan in action! Share advice and talk about the show here.

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April 28, 2006, 3:33 pm PDT

Don't act like a child!

Plain and simple if you don't want to get burned stay out of the kitchen. If you don't want to be a father, fine. Then don't participate in the act of conception and act surprise when a baby is conceived. Grow up and protect yourself. That would be one of the hazards of unprotected sex. Men need give up on this stupidity. Women are violated everyday and pay the price, they didn't ask for that either. 

 
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April 28, 2006, 3:34 pm PDT

04/21 Baby Wars

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How can the baby have a choice? Is there a way to ask the child if they would like to be born or concieved?  

  

DON'T GET IN THE BED! Easier said than done for some people. Many people get into things they regret afterwards, does that mean we never do anything because we may regret it?  We are humans and we make mistakes everyday, whether or not we know what we are getting ourselves into. If there is a way to to prevent that mistake from becoming an even bigger mistake than why wouldn't we choose that way? I have chosen to be abstinent from sex so that is the choice I made. Some people don't want to make that choice and they get pregnant when they are not ready so its up to them on how they go about handling it. Personally I think people should have the option and I am glad it is there to take.  

  

It is up to the mother and father to make the choice for what is best for the child. You are right, no one has the right to play "GOD" but we do have a right to our own lives, don't we? It isn't up to GOD to take care of these unwanted babies, it is up to the parents. So why wouldn't the parents have that choice to make? Yes I understand that it is a living being once conceived but ultimately it is up to us to decide what kind of life to give that child. It is just how things have come to be whether you like it or not.  

  

  So basically you're just justifying murder.  You have acknowledged that the baby is a living creature, but yet you will still make the decision on whether or not it lives or dies?!?!?  Murder, I think so, by all definitions.  Yes, people make mistakes everyday, Lord knows I've made my own, however, that does excuse that person from acting in an adult manner.....this is what sets us apart from animals; the fact that we have the ability to stop and recognize a situation.  If we cannot realize the resluts of our actions, then we are no better than children or animals for that matter.  I don't think that's a very good argument from your standpoint.  On another note, to say that God isn't taking care of the unwanted babies......well, I like to think that God is around everywhere, everyday and I also believe he has a plan for every human being He creates.  So again....who thinks they have the right to play God! 

 
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April 28, 2006, 3:50 pm PDT

04/21 Baby Wars

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If you don't want kids, then just say no to sex. 
I agree. sex is so suppoose to be for those who are in love and married. and able, willing and capable of sticking through it ALL together. Women need to be smart and not have sex with a guy who says he loves them, they need to set high standards for the guy such as make him prove that he loves her and not just take him at his word, this guy, I bleieve wanted sex with this lady and knew he would get it therfore he took advantage knowing that he wasn't using protection and knowing that he didn't want to be a father and the lady was stupid enough to go to bed with him and now both of them are reaping the consequences which they both deserve. The poor child is the one who is getting the raw deal out of all this as all children in these situations do, for they are the ones with out the voice, chances are if this child could have spoke for herself, she would have wanted to be in a a loving, caring home with two caring and responsible parents, unfortualelty she doesn't get that choice and chancesa re are she is the one who will suffer for the sins of the parents and these parent right along with all the other parents facing this issue should be ashamed of themselves for their greed and out of control hormones and then there lack of remorse and concern for this precious child.........The mother, though she was stupid enough to fall for such a manipulated guy, should just move so far a way from this guy, make him sign his rights away and never allow him close to the child, and then years down the line, the child can then decide what she wants to do, she will have all the proof in front of her that he disowned her as his own and for if it is his dna then she is his whether he wants to admit it or not, this precious child does have a father and unfortuanetly, he has decided to deny that, believe me, she will always wonder whewre her daddy is and what she ever done to deserve the abandonment, but I say to each their own but remember children do not come into the world with a say so, all that is determined by the parents.......................
 
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April 28, 2006, 3:54 pm PDT

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This is crazy. Men are actually trying to get out of being a father now. It's this simple...IF YOU HAVE SEX...EXPECT THE CONSEQUENCES! Women are the ones who get pregnant and go through 9 months of pain, not the men. Any man who wants to get out of fatherhood should not even engage in sexual relations, because even protecting yourself is not 100%. This is the way of nature...we can't just choose to have sex and then ignore what might happen. What kind of message  would that be sending to our teenage kids?
unfortuanetly the message is already there, especially for the males,and the message is....."you have every right to use and manipulate a female but it is no concern of yours what happens in the process for you can always deny it and run from it and the female is to take all the responsibility of both of your actions"..................................Now I am not saying the female is right for they too need to step up to the plate and use the brain that God gave them, you don't want std's or a baby, then refrain from sex til you are grown up enough to take responsibility for your actions. Both parties are guilty for bringing into the world the precious child who had no say therefore it is both the man and woman who needs to grow up!
 
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April 28, 2006, 3:56 pm PDT

Matt's Defense

I would agree with Matt if he wore a condom........I don't see that he has a defense. He says he didn't want a baby, but didn't do ANYTHING to avoid getting her pregnant.
 
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April 28, 2006, 4:09 pm PDT

Kansas has legalized prostitution

Kansas has legalized prostitution

 

  

 

Believe it or not Kansas has laws in place that will terminate a father's parental rights. Check it out for yourself                                                    

 59-2136 Chapter 59. --PROBATE CODE

  

 

Article 21. –ADOPTION

  

 

You only have to be willing to give your baby up for adoption while you're taking money from as many potential fathers as you want to.  This law forces any unwed father to support a pregnant woman even if there are multiple partners and the child may not even be his.  So you not only make money from fathers who want to protect their parental rights but then you put the child up for adoption and take money from them also. It's really easy to keep the adoption process a secret.  So that none of the fathers find out and you can take money from them also.  Then just let the adoptive parents and the father's battle it out in court while you spend all their money. Perfect scam 100% legal thanks to the idiots who make Kansas law.
 
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April 28, 2006, 4:20 pm PDT

Women and Men are not physically equal!!

Because it is a fact that women and men are not the same physiologically and anatomically there can never be an "equal playing field" in the way that the self-centered, immature young man, Matt wishes there could be. Unless his partner has an operative report saying that she has had her uterus removed then any man should assume that he is at risk, no matter how small, of being half of the cause of a pregnancy.  His arguement  that reproductive rights should be an "equal playing field" is so pathetic and childish.  If the mother of his child were to argue at such a low level she might say something like, "It is unjust that women have to carry a baby for nine months!  There should be an equal playing field and men should have to suffer from every discomfort of pregnancy.  For example,  if their partner suffers from hyperemesis gravidarum(excessive pregnancy induced nausea and vomiting) men should be given a medication that makes them throw up everyday".  That is how absurd his arguement is.  Any attorney who is stupid enough to take his case should be thrown out of the Bar Association.  The simple truth is that life is not fair.  Biology is not a simple black and white matter.  I am so sick of people who think so simplistically.  They are seriously a waste of space in this world!  At this point in time Matt needs to stop whining.  Hopefully he learns his lesson and not sleep with women who have a uterus unless he is ready to become a parent again.  Hopefully any women who is ever in the position to sleep with him will have seen his behavior on this show and choose not to.  Matt needs to deal with the fact that he has a biological offspring who will care less about if he was "misled" into becoming a father and will care more about the fact she has a father who wanted absolutely nothing to do with her.  It is seriously pathetic that Matt assumes that his child will grow up resenting the mother who lovingly cared for her despite the fact she was unplanned instead of resenting the father who comletely has neglected her her entire life.  Wake up and smell the breastmilk!  What a poor, sad fool!  If he is lucky he will mature and come to realize his mistake of choosing to be self-righteous over the well-being of a completely innocent daughter.  He doesn't owe child support to the mother of his child.  He owes it to the child!  

 
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April 28, 2006, 4:29 pm PDT

04/21 Baby Wars

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then don't have sex and take chances or go get an operation!
um....at the risk of sounding redundant....shouldn't the woman be obligated to do the same??
 
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April 28, 2006, 4:36 pm PDT

04/21 Baby Wars

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Well, that may be the case in your state......but not in mine!  I hesitate to divulge what MY state is, for fear we'll be even more overwhelmed with non-working baby-making sponges who'll move here from all over to get a free ride.   But trust me.....that's exactly how it is here!  There are girls/women with 3, 4,5, 6 kids, all with different "fathers" who are sucking the system dry!  State aid pays for all sorts of birth control, but those people have "rights".  They choose to continue to have kids they can't provide for, when most intelligent, responsible people would stop....and there's nothing anyone can do about it.   They get more money per month than a lot of people who actually WORK for a living!!!  I've seen the illigitimate baby-making trend increase in the past few years.  And yes............they CAN and DO get exhorbitant child support amounts......typically from $450-$500/mo. PER child........AND collect welfare, get free housing, medical care, food stamps, clothing and gift vouchers.  It's a career for some of these lazy women/girls!  They never have to join the workforce, so long as they keep making babies.  BUT, the men/boys they used as their "donors" are stuck with paying for a kid they never see.  And when THEY can't afford a place to sleep or food to eat, do you think the state takes into consideration the fact that they're paying $500/mo. support?  NO!  So they're left with little or nothing, while the "moms" do quite well.  So.....a blanket statement?  Please.......nothing on these boards ever comes close to being a blanket statement.  But I KNOW what it's like her.............I've seen it!   If your state doesn't operate that way, well, good for you!  Oh............and by the way...........I'm a MOM of two grown kids.  I did it the RIGHT way.....no handouts necessary.  The morals these days are deplorable!  And we're going to have to revamp the laws to suit the times.  If that means giving the males a VOICE........then so be it!  They've been railroaded for too long!
Erm, actually, according to the TANF rules in your state, you're giving wrong information.  Those that are on cash assistance are NOT receiving incredibly high child support payments as you have stated.  AND they have to cooperate with their work programs so they can not be just lazy women, and YES child support payments ARE a deduction from earnings when they are actually paying the support for any benefits the men may be applying for.  Again, start researching before making inaccurate statements.

http://www.dol.gov/wb/info_about_wb/regions/tanfwva.htm

http://www.wvdhhr.org/bcf/family_assistance/wvworks.asp

http://pdf2html.spawncamp.net/pdf2html.php?url=http://www.wvdhhr.org/bcf/policy/imm/new_manual/IMManual/Manual_HTM_Pages/../Manual_PDF_Files/Chapter_10/ch10_apa.pdf
 
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April 28, 2006, 4:40 pm PDT

Oh Get Real

I am a mother of two children and I get NOTHING from their father.  I think that if this law passes there will be plenty of fathers including the one for my children that would want to give up their rights to their children to not have to support them.  The father of my children is supposed to pay 160.00 a month in child support but refuses because hes claims that since I work and he doesnt then I should take care of everything.  Unfortuantely, he choses not to work, he is capable to work.  He just dosent want to give up HIS money to me.  This is obsured that this man would even try to claim that he didnt want to be a father and so he shouldnt have to pay child support.  Oh well he should have thought of that before he had sex. My children will be taken care of no matter what happens with their father because I took on the responsibility of raising my children. I am sure that the mother in this case will also take care of her child but to think that he wants to get of scott free is wrong. If you dont want to get pregnant do have sex is the message here.  There is one thing that people are not thinking about. If I dont work my children could be homeless, with no clothes and possibly in foster care, if their father doesnt work, oh well.  Nothing will happen to him.  There are alot of choices that a women has to make for her family and a deadbeat dad can not pay support and get away with it.  How is this fair?  I HAVE to take care of the children, he does not. There are no consiquences for the father.  He was sentenced to prison for 8 months for not paying support and guess what he served one month of that time and he is out and not working again. There is no law stating that these men have to pay child support to the women. They can or can not and basically there still is no punishment. There are too many men not paying child support for the Support Agency to punish all of them.  So they dont.  The agency picks and chooses who to punish and alot of the times there is no punishment at all. But the mothers have to make sure the children are feed and clothed and taken to school everyday and if they are sick they have to take care of them while the men who choose not to be fathers are out having fun.  How fair is that?
 
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