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Created on : Thursday, April 13, 2006, 01:22:17 pm
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(Original Air Date: 04/21/06) Being a parent is hard enough, but what happens when Mom and Dad can't agree on how many kids to have, how to raise 'em and how to get ‘em to sleep?  Sometimes, it can lead to an all-out baby war! Matt's baby battle ended up in front of a judge and made headlines. He was ordered to pay child support for the baby he had with his ex-girlfriend, but he says he shouldn't have to cough up the money because she told him she wasn't able to get pregnant, and he told her he didn't want to be a father. He, his attorney, and the director of the National Center for Men discuss the lawsuit they filed, known as “Roe v. Wade for Men,” arguing that men should have a constitutional right to avoid fatherhood. Next, Dan says even though he and his wife, Lisa, already have four children, he wants just one more. Lisa has been pregnant on and off for 11 years and says she's closed for baby business. Will Dr. Phil help Dan see Lisa's point that four is enough? Then, a frustrated husband is camping out on the roof of his house and living in a tent. He refuses to go back to his bedroom until his wife moves their kids out of their bed and starts paying more attention to him. Can Dr. Phil get him to come down the ladder? Plus, a sleep expert has a simple method for getting your child to sleep through the night. See the plan in action! Share advice and talk about the show here.

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July 6, 2006, 11:12 am PDT

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Quote From: npaverio

Why is it so hard for men to accept life for what it is???Why do they always turn their backs on responsibility? Grow up and quit having a pity party for yourself. You have no idea what a woman has to go through on the whole pregnancy  and raising a child without  YOU (the father) around.  Both parties are responsible Financially, emotionally, and physically.
Or maybe you don't understand what its like to try and live off of a very small salary because most of it goes to the mother of an unwanted child who is also getting money from the government. What good is making a man poor and a non-working woman rich? Get a daycare, Get a job, and move on.
 
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July 6, 2006, 11:14 am PDT

Parental Rights and Wrongs

As far as I am concerned the bottom line is this.... whether you want a child desperately or really don't want a child ever if you are so blessed you MUST act responsibly.  

    

There are many things in this life that we don't choose or wouldn't choose ....cancer, car accidents, financial ruin, mean people, tasteless food...however if and when these things occur we deal with it as best we can and carry on.  

   

 The miracle of a human life cannot be just tossed aside because it is not what we would have chosen or wanted. In a perfect world we would all get exactly what we want all of the time. Obviously  we don't live in a perfect world. We must take what we get and make the best of it.   

   

Often what seems like the worst thing to happen turns out to be a blessing in disguise. It could be years befor we see how our lemons have been turned into lemonade if at all.    

   

This pretty little miracle has RIGHTS too. That her father would have prefered not to be a father should not impact her life or her future. SHE did NOT choose to have a less than loving father who would like to escape his responsibilities.   

   

In short... IF YOU PLAY YOU PAY...DON'T EXPECT AN INFANT TO PICK UP THE TAB FOR YOU!!!  

   

Money is nothing....Life is everything...Get your priorities straight Matt  

   

 
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July 6, 2006, 11:18 am PDT

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Sorry Matt... you may be the sperm donor, but you are NO FATHER.   Your attitude toward an innocent child is not the attitude of a father.  A father is someone who loves, protects, provides, and parents.  You are nothing but a provider and that is because you are FORCED to be one.  You will one day regret treating your biological daughter this way, and she will probably resent you for your lack of love toward her.   This is a BABY we are talking about.  A baby.  Was it her fault that she was brought into this world?  Irregardless of the fact that this woman claimed to have medical conditions and be on the pill, accidents happen.  THAT is a reality.  If you didn't want kids (as you claim) then you shouldn't have had sex with this woman at all, period.   Abstinence is the only way for 100% PROTECTION.   But now, you are a grown adult taking your childish tantrums out on a innocent baby?  It makes me ill just to think about it!  You are emotionally scarring and hurting this little girl for LIFE! 
That's exactly what he is "sperm donor" don't forget he didn't want this child and doesn't want to be the father. Not because he's a bad guy, he is just not ready and he made that perfectly clear to her. Think about what this mother has put this child through, she sounds pretty selfish, so I think his reaction is equal.
 
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July 6, 2006, 11:21 am PDT

No Choice?

Men have a choice. You don't want a baby? Keep it in your pants. This is what I am teaching my own kids. There are too many fathers out there like him, guys who do what they want, create kids, and walk away. Your choice was made when you had sex.
 
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July 6, 2006, 11:21 am PDT

A rerun of this? I'm quite surprised.

I didn't know that they had a rerun of this until now. I've just posted on this board about twice now, & this board seems to become more popular lately, even though they're showing this over. What I DO have to say is, whatever happened to honoring God's vows? Sex was intended for marriage & marriage only. It's sad that a lot of people out in this world are doing it, & then having a lot of deadbeat fathers (& mothers) out there because of it. I'm a young man myself at 24 years of age, & I'm definitely waiting until marriage before I have any children. That's what God wants. I don't even know what it's like to be pregnant, & having to go through that, including long labor pains & delivery, & men like myself can never experience that. Whenever sex between a man & women has occurred, you're taking a huge risk of a pregnancy, or worse, getting diseases. If men don't want to be a fathers at all, & want to have sex without conceiving a child, then they have 3 choices. 

  

1. Get yourself fixed (A Vasectomy), & always keep making appointments to make sure that it actually happened,  

2. ALWAYS wear protection (A condom), & if it breaks, STOP, then immediately put another one on, or 

3. DON'T HAVE SEX! Plain & simple. 

 
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July 6, 2006, 11:29 am PDT

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Maybe Matt can gather all his support orders and other legal obligations eminating from this encounter and place them, wrapped in a blanket, in a cradle or bassinet in front of a hospital, police station or any other designated  newborn drop off "safe zone" and see if they will take care of it for him.....
 
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July 6, 2006, 11:29 am PDT

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why should women have all the rights?  The girl in this story made a choice too...her choice was to bring a child into the world knowing full well it was unwanted by her partner...this is clearly a case of a women forcing a young man to into parenthood....if she knew the baby would be unwanted she should have been fully prepared to raise the child alone!!  Accidents happen...no one is without sin...everyone makes mistakes....but she had a choice in this mistake...he did not!! 

 
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July 6, 2006, 11:31 am PDT

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That's exactly what he is "sperm donor" don't forget he didn't want this child and doesn't want to be the father. Not because he's a bad guy, he is just not ready and he made that perfectly clear to her. Think about what this mother has put this child through, she sounds pretty selfish, so I think his reaction is equal.
I agree...it's not like he promised he'd be there and then backed out at the last minute..she knew what she was getting into.
 
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July 6, 2006, 11:34 am PDT

fair is fair

Honestly I'm surprised this hasn't come up sooner.  We went on such a rampage for women's rights, and I wondered how long people would take that lying down.  Don't get me wrong, I am grateful for the things we enjoy now that we couldn't before - as women.  But fair is fair.  I think women are given far too much and it's turning us into spoiled brats.  Children ARE being used as meal tickets quite a bit.  But I agree that there are dead beat dads who will use this, should there be a change in how child support works, as a way out of their responsibility.    

   

If there's one priority that is stressed on these shows its the kid.  What kid wants to grow up with an emotionally detatched dad?  It almost seems no dad is better than the kind of emotional damage a forced parentship would cause.  As a kid, I would have rather had a dad who was around because he wanted to be.  Sure I'd resent the fact that he didn't want me, but I don't think people relize the reciprocations that result in something like this being forced.  You can't just tell this guy to be a dad...and BAM he's gonna want to be a dad.  Cause he can't do anything about it.  At least if women get pregnant, and someone wants to say, look, you gotta be a mom, she can say, no.  I don't have to put this child through this.  I can adopt him out to a better life.  I can end this pregnancy.  I have options.  The dad doesn't.    

   

I don't think Matt is going to get out of this though.  What court is going to just pick one side or the other because he says/she says.  For all practical purposes, because he didn't use contraception, it looks as if he had no problem risking having a baby.  He may say she said she coudln't, he may SAY he told her upfront that he didn't want to have a baby...but people will SAY anything.  If he were seriuos, he should have thought about the dating version of a pre-nup.  Get it in writing or write a check friend.  

 
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July 6, 2006, 11:34 am PDT

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Quote From: lieven

Whats really best for a baby ? How about TWO willing parents ? When a single woman " oopsies " a man, her action is *already* going against whats best for the child, so at that point, NO such woman has any standing to pimp out the child for money from someone who never got their own choice to say " No ". 

But, the quoted person's argument is *exactly* the same argument for the banning of abortion. 

Funny how flushing fetuses down drains is OK, but not paying a woman who had the ONLY choice 

to bear a child is evil ? Talk about Double Standards ! 

" Her body, her choice... HER *responsibility* ". 

right on!!
 
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