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Created on : Thursday, April 13, 2006, 01:22:17 pm
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(Original Air Date: 04/21/06) Being a parent is hard enough, but what happens when Mom and Dad can't agree on how many kids to have, how to raise 'em and how to get ‘em to sleep?  Sometimes, it can lead to an all-out baby war! Matt's baby battle ended up in front of a judge and made headlines. He was ordered to pay child support for the baby he had with his ex-girlfriend, but he says he shouldn't have to cough up the money because she told him she wasn't able to get pregnant, and he told her he didn't want to be a father. He, his attorney, and the director of the National Center for Men discuss the lawsuit they filed, known as “Roe v. Wade for Men,” arguing that men should have a constitutional right to avoid fatherhood. Next, Dan says even though he and his wife, Lisa, already have four children, he wants just one more. Lisa has been pregnant on and off for 11 years and says she's closed for baby business. Will Dr. Phil help Dan see Lisa's point that four is enough? Then, a frustrated husband is camping out on the roof of his house and living in a tent. He refuses to go back to his bedroom until his wife moves their kids out of their bed and starts paying more attention to him. Can Dr. Phil get him to come down the ladder? Plus, a sleep expert has a simple method for getting your child to sleep through the night. See the plan in action! Share advice and talk about the show here.

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July 6, 2006, 12:35 pm PDT

07/06 Baby Wars

I can't really express the words I think of when I think of Matt. He came on the show looking like a complete moron as far as his lawyer goes, what a complete idiot!! I hope the courts uphold the mothers position. Kudos to her for fighting. 

 
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July 6, 2006, 12:35 pm PDT

Wake up World

Okay...todays show, touched to close to home for me. I was told in November 2005 that I wouldn't be able to concieve, because of certain health issues. I continued my birth control (the ring) to maintain my cycle, and in December I found out I was in fact pregnant, and had been when he told me I wouldn't be able to have children. Women have all the choices your right, but when you are having sex protected or not, their is always that chance that you will become a parent. People are not complaining about the pleasure they get while involved in intercourse, but complain about the responsibility of the repurcutions of there own actions. AMERICA has enough dead beat dads in the world, and we sure as hell do not need anymore. When a single parent is working hard to make ends meet to pull the weight of two, no wonder the poverty level has sky rocketed, and more and more people are on welfare. The bottom line is, If i ever met that man, we would have a full down and dirty debate. He sounds as if he was brought up with no morals and justification for his behavior. His parents should knock him upside his head. NOTHING IS 100%......TAKE RESPONSIBILITY AND GROW UP. You have a little girl that is going to know why her daddy left her and it's going to hurt you in the long run, and for that little girls sake, when she reaches the age to understand, I hope she pulls you heart out with all the hard questions you will have to ansewer.
 
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July 6, 2006, 12:36 pm PDT

we are creators of life not robots of pleasure

the best way to avoid this situation.......quit having sex unless youre ready........we are made to create life through intercourse, if youre not ready for the end product then dont start baking. 

but in the case of a child and the father doesnt want it he can sign off rights! but when that man lays down in bed and child comes from that its not about him or her anymore its about the child! if neither want it .....adoption! or like i said the father signs off rights. To bring a life into this world people should try to understand  you created it so step up and take care of that child or do the right thing for them , a child doesnt not knock on your shoulder and say "i'm ready to be here, so get started" 

On a different note women who trap men have to understand they cant cry and boo-hoo that the man is not there ....you cant trap a man with a baby and think its gonna go your way ....come on now we have enough abandoned babies  quit adding to it 

anyways that my opnion 

 
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July 6, 2006, 12:36 pm PDT

BABY WARS = BODY WARS

Why should a MAN decide  what A WOMAN should do or not do with HER BODY?   

  

It really angers me that (some) men, especially law makers believe this is something that they should have control over... this decision. If you are a man and you DON'T want to have a baby WEAR A CONDOM and use birth control.  If that is not something you want to do , make it surgically impossible to have children, ABSTAIN!!! Do not have sex if you can not deal with the consequences. This is where your reproduction choice comes in. You have a choice to do all these things. If worse comes to worse walk away.  

  

I am 23 years old. Last year I was going to an Ivy League University and working hard to finish my degree. I was in a relationship where we were using birth control. In our case it failed and I got pregnant.  Bombarded by my boyfriend and his family to "consider the options" of abortion and adoption, it was an overwhelming experience.  Even though they felt he was too young to have a baby (he was 25) and his life was ruined, I felt that it was morally and ethically wrong to have an abortion. It was after all a baby and part of me. People belive that babies in the womb are not really alive, but from the experience of being pregnant TRUST me the baby is alive.   

  

Now, he has accepted his role as my daughter's father and so has his family. There is still some resentment and anger there,  and he always knows he has the option of walking away, but he loves her and has decided to stick around. As much as it has caused problems, I would never go back on my choice because I look at my daughter and realize how lucky I am.  

  

Don't get me wrong if a man does not want to be there- he should walk away, no child should ever feel unwanted.  

  

Anyway, choice makes people individuals. The choice between men and women in reproduction is CLEARLY different. Men have the choice to use production if they do now want to be a father, abstain, walk away if they don't want to be involved. Women have the choice what to do with a child once there is a pregnancy.  

 
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July 6, 2006, 12:36 pm PDT

Mother gets the choice

Judge Marilyn Milian said on her show, people who say they trusted someone should really be saying I WAS STUPID! A man who was absolutely certain he did not want to be a father should have either abstained from sex or used his own protection. You know what happens when you assume. It's time for him to step up to the plate and face his responsibilies.
 
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July 6, 2006, 12:36 pm PDT

Men Also Have Rights

I feel for the guy portrayed on today's show.  If the couple agreed to no children and she said she was unable to have children, he should not be held responsible.  You can not force someone to be a parent.  If she wants to be a mother, she should not force him to be involved.  The same situation happened to my girlfriend except she always wanted a child but was told she would never be pregnant.  At 37, she became pregnant and has not asked for support from the father since it was thought she could not conceive.  She is elated to be a mother with or without the support of a man.
 
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July 6, 2006, 12:36 pm PDT

What a shame.

A child is a gift. If you are willing to have sex, you need to be willing to accept the responsibility that may come with that. Nothing is 100% effective and you have to realize that before engaging in the act. I believe the father should have a say in what is to happen, but the mother should have the final say, as it is her body. 

  

  

 
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July 6, 2006, 12:37 pm PDT

should fathers get to chose

Ok fist this isnt a closed subject. its not cut and dry. Yes woman can be coniving and sneaky and get pregnate just to "keep" the man. Men can sweet talk a woman into the sack and then run at the thought of a baby.  

  

if a woman doesnt want to get pregnate then she should always take the pill. If a man doesnt want to knock someone up he should always wear a rubber. There should be no well she said or he said crap. You wouldnt jump off a million foot bridge if someone said you couldnt die.  after getting pregnate a woman can just abbonded to child that is true or she could have a abortion. I dont think that even woman should be able to do that but the thing is that might be whats best for the child. 

  

If a mother is forced to raise a child she doesnt want she will just be abusive maybe not physical but emotional and thats not what is best for the child. Same with making a father stay if he doesnt want a child then he should just stay away no child should have to be faced with knowing their parent or parents never wanted them. sometimes out of sight is better then a constant reminder of someone who may not want them 

  

I LOST MY 2 YEAR OLD LITTLE BOY ON 9-11-05 FROM A BRAIN TUMOR THAT WE FOUGHT FOR A YEAR AND A HALF. CHILD ARE A BLESSING A MIRACLE. YOU MAY NOT WANT THEM AT THE TIME BUT SOMEDAY YOU WILL BE SO ALONE AND NEVER KNOW THE PURE JOY OF SEEING YOUR CHILDS FACE. THERES NOTHING BETTER THEN HOLDING YOUR ANGEL IN YOUR ARMS. IT DOESNT TAKE A MILLION DOLLARS TO PLEASE A CHILD ITS JUST THE LOVE IN YOUR HEART AND EVERYTHING ELSE WILL WORK IT SELF OUT.  

  

IF YOU HAVE A CHILD KNOW ITS A BLESSING NOT A CURSE. THEY ARE THE BEST THING THAT COULD EVER HAPPEN 

  

 
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July 6, 2006, 12:37 pm PDT

07/06 Baby Wars

Quote From: dissedvet

Emphasis on the what choice does the baby have?
well obviously babies don't have choices!!
 
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July 6, 2006, 12:37 pm PDT

Consciousness vs legality

 What about the rights of the child?  I am neither for or against abortion.  That's your choice.  Should men be given the opportunity to opt out of fatherhood.  I believe that we already have the opprtuntiny to do so in more ways than one.  There is protective sex which granted is not 100% guaranteed but abstinence is absolute.  If you think that your pleasures are compromised, there is always masturbation, and yes it is not the samething but the relief at the end of both intimacy and masturbation are equal.  Men roll over and go to sleep.  I am a man and have not had sex for quite some time because I do not want to use women for my personal pleasures.  I believe that there is more to it than just the momentary pleasure.  We forget sometimes that we are talking about little people who have no choice unless we stand up for them.
 
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