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Created on : Thursday, April 13, 2006, 01:22:17 pm
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(Original Air Date: 04/21/06) Being a parent is hard enough, but what happens when Mom and Dad can't agree on how many kids to have, how to raise 'em and how to get ‘em to sleep?  Sometimes, it can lead to an all-out baby war! Matt's baby battle ended up in front of a judge and made headlines. He was ordered to pay child support for the baby he had with his ex-girlfriend, but he says he shouldn't have to cough up the money because she told him she wasn't able to get pregnant, and he told her he didn't want to be a father. He, his attorney, and the director of the National Center for Men discuss the lawsuit they filed, known as “Roe v. Wade for Men,” arguing that men should have a constitutional right to avoid fatherhood. Next, Dan says even though he and his wife, Lisa, already have four children, he wants just one more. Lisa has been pregnant on and off for 11 years and says she's closed for baby business. Will Dr. Phil help Dan see Lisa's point that four is enough? Then, a frustrated husband is camping out on the roof of his house and living in a tent. He refuses to go back to his bedroom until his wife moves their kids out of their bed and starts paying more attention to him. Can Dr. Phil get him to come down the ladder? Plus, a sleep expert has a simple method for getting your child to sleep through the night. See the plan in action! Share advice and talk about the show here.

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July 6, 2006, 12:38 pm PDT

She does the work she has the choice.....

The woman did her part, whatever the reason, she was on birth control.  The man's responsibility is to wear a condom, whether she made him or not that was his choice, it is on his body.  If he doesn't want a child the only 100% choice is not to have sex.  The next best thing is birth control and a CONDOM!  She has to carry the child, she has to go threw the morning sickness, and cramps, she has to pass a watermelon threw a small hole, she goes to all the doctor's visits, she gives her body up for 9 months to someone else, and be the primary child care giver.  She pays for most of the things for the child.  I am sorry, but until a man can do this it will ultimately be the woman's decision on what to do.  If you are going to have sex there is always a possibly of having a child, no matter what anyone says, if you are man enough to have sex, then you BETTER be man enough to at least finacially help out with the child.  No body can force you to be a father, but it is your responsibilty to at least finacially come forward!  When things like this are debated, there are a lot more things that come into play, what if someone raped you, but wasn't convicted of it? Would you want there to be some way that he could see your child, or have a right to that child? I don't think so!
 
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July 6, 2006, 12:38 pm PDT

Everyone has a choice

Condoms are the most effective form of birth control. If a man is not ready to be a father, it is his personal responsibility to protect himself. 

Sure, a woman can say that it's ok, she won't get pregnant...that she doesn't like condoms, etc, etc. The man has the choice to protect himself from unwanted pregnancy. 

As far as the woman's right to chose, but not the man's... 

A woman is the one who carries that child for 9 months. A man does not have the same emotional attachment as a woman who has felt that child growing inside of her. The bonding begins immediately for a woman, so giving a child up is much harder. 

This is merely my opinion- not looking to start a war. I just believe that a man's right to chose begins with protecting himself. 

 
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July 6, 2006, 12:39 pm PDT

hi Dr. Phil

hi there,  

      i just like to say that the guy that doesnt want to claim his child, he should, that might be the only chance he gets at having children. Me personally i dont get to see my daughter, and i miss her very much, so he should be a man suck it up and be part of his child life before its too late. 

                                                                                                                                        Thanks, Dan 

 
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July 6, 2006, 12:39 pm PDT

men do have a decisionon making babies!

 I feel that men do have a decision on creating a baby. Now the man on the show that got his ex-girlfriend pregnant and say's that he didn't have a choice. he had a choice simply because he could have used pertection for his own peace of mind. no matter what she say's about not being able to get pregnant dr's tell that to alot of weman and they eventually get pregnant. if he was that adament on not having a baby he should have used pertection or not have sex at all. same for weman that don't want a baby then they abort they had a choice to use pertection. everyone needs to relize if your having sex there's a possibility of getting pregnant no matter what. But pertection helps reduce the chance. if your not ready or mature enough to have a child don't have sex. it's that simple. use your brains a little. people should play the blame game on each other because it takes two to get pregnant.
 
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July 6, 2006, 12:42 pm PDT

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I agree.. to a point.. and especially being a real live woman who is doing this noble "raise it on your own" gesture everyone is so quick to discuss. Its hard.. but its worth it.  

...yes.. she had a choice in the mistake.. and He had a choice in this mistake as well. After all.. it takes two, doesn't it?  

It's funny how many peole are coming to his defense. He could have worn a condom, he could have said no but alas he chose not too. So now he should grow up a be a real man and take care of his obligation.
 
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July 6, 2006, 12:43 pm PDT

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I think that if what the first guy said was true, that the girl told him she couldn't get pregnant & was on the pill for other medical reasons, then he should win his lawsuit. I would be concerned for him later in life though, because whether he wanted or was ready for a baby she is here, & he will realize that he missed out. How said for this child to grow up knowing she wasn't wanted. If I were the mother I would try to shelter her from this & move on without a father.
 
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July 6, 2006, 12:44 pm PDT

The Issue, Not The Emotions

This topic is a hot button topic, but it sure needs to be discussed. Yes, both parties had responsibilities to keep an unwanted pregnacy from occuring, but that is not the issue. The issue is should one parent/zygote donor, whatever, have the power, or right to force their beliefs, feelings, ethics, or whatever else on another. To say that one is not ready for children, and to be forced into taking care of them, is tantamount to asking that parent to become a deadbeat, or absentee parent. In this instance, I believe that if the mother of the child wanted to be that, a mother, and the father did'nt, with BOTH knowing and accepting the views before hand, then she should have no legal grounds to pressure him into being a father emotionally, or finacially.  Yes the baby will lose out, as the majority of kids do, but with one loving parent, and a good support group, he/she will be better off than with a resentfull one.  Coming from a family where i did know my father, and was rebuffed by him, im going on experience. I'd have rather not known him, than to know him, and know he did'nt want me! So putting the emotional aspects aside, would YOU want to be forced to do something that you already stated you were not ready for?
 
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July 6, 2006, 12:44 pm PDT

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I think it was hard to watch this man sit on stage and just act like he had no part in the conception of this beautiful little baby girl!!!  If she didn't think she could have kids, and she does get pregnant, any responsible, loving, caring, man would step up and take care of his child.  She on the other hand, of course, isn't going to give the kid up, or abort it.  It is devastating to hear that you are not able to have children, and then to get pregnant... she was probably overwhelmed with joy!  If this man doesn't want a child, but wants to have sex, he needs to get the operation, and then this is not a problem.  When he is ready to grow up and stop being so selfish, if he ever is, he can have it reversed!!  As far as the lawsuit goes, I feel it is very upsetting to think that any man out there that doesn't want a child that is born, can just go to court and bastardize the child with whom he created.  And he has it easy... $500 a month doesn't come close to what is actually costs for her to raise his daughter.   All I have to say to him is GROW UP!!!
But it's ok for the womanto be able to abort the baby, drop it off at a "safe zone" after she has delivered it, dump it in a garbage bin or toilet, or put it up for adoption. How then, do we classify surrogate mothers, you know the ones that are paid for the use of their uterus? Are you still going to try and convice me that this isn't about money?
 
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July 6, 2006, 12:44 pm PDT

"Matt" needs to own up, he is a father

I feel that as an 18 year old girl, decision made can either make you or break you. I personally have never been pregnant,  and do not understand the feelings or positions these two people may be in, but I do know enough to understand that both members are responsible. I find Matt to be very naive, and he is fighting for something that he will never win. He created this baby, whether or not the women was capable of producing a child, if he "DID NOT FEEL PREPARED TO BE A FATHER" then what is he thinking having sex without any protection! This is the fault of both members, and considering he wants nothing to do with baby Elizabeth, he could at least consider supporting his own offspring. Child support is his penalty for not wearing a condom (too bad/deal with it... before you waste all your money in court), but what is sickning is that Elizabeths life will be penalized as well. For her life she will feel rejected, this is unfair. Matt needs to stand up as a 'man', take responsiblility, it is not the fault of the mother. How could he even consider living the rest of his life without paying a dime to his child... give your head a shake! This is 2006, and if he believes that he can withdraw his rights as a parent and forget about it all, he is going to be a verry sorry little boy.  

 
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July 6, 2006, 12:45 pm PDT

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Quote From: jstar1227

I am a female, and I agree with the man on this one.  I actually would be terrified if I was a guy not knowing if a woman is lying or not about taking the pill or not being able to get pregnant.  As a woman, I can control my own destiny by choosing to have or not have a child.  Why shouldn't guys get those same rights?  I have no plans on having children, so therefore I take the pill, and if something were ever to happen, I have the option of getting an abortion. But a guy's life can get ruined with no say in the matter.  Besides, this world is overpopulated anyway, so why bring another child into the world who can't be raised by 2 parents and has to suffer with either the parents fighting all the time, or suffer with not even knowing one of their parents.  
Wether the woman is lying or not, the man still has the choice of wether or not to protect himself. If a woman gets pregnant and the man used a condom every single time they engaged in sex, he'll just have to suck it up and take care of what he made. Nothing is 100% safe other than abstenence, if you are willing to have sex, best be prepared for the concenquences.
 
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