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Created on : Thursday, April 13, 2006, 01:22:17 pm
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(Original Air Date: 04/21/06) Being a parent is hard enough, but what happens when Mom and Dad can't agree on how many kids to have, how to raise 'em and how to get ‘em to sleep?  Sometimes, it can lead to an all-out baby war! Matt's baby battle ended up in front of a judge and made headlines. He was ordered to pay child support for the baby he had with his ex-girlfriend, but he says he shouldn't have to cough up the money because she told him she wasn't able to get pregnant, and he told her he didn't want to be a father. He, his attorney, and the director of the National Center for Men discuss the lawsuit they filed, known as “Roe v. Wade for Men,” arguing that men should have a constitutional right to avoid fatherhood. Next, Dan says even though he and his wife, Lisa, already have four children, he wants just one more. Lisa has been pregnant on and off for 11 years and says she's closed for baby business. Will Dr. Phil help Dan see Lisa's point that four is enough? Then, a frustrated husband is camping out on the roof of his house and living in a tent. He refuses to go back to his bedroom until his wife moves their kids out of their bed and starts paying more attention to him. Can Dr. Phil get him to come down the ladder? Plus, a sleep expert has a simple method for getting your child to sleep through the night. See the plan in action! Share advice and talk about the show here.

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July 6, 2006, 12:47 pm PDT

If you didn't want to be a father you shouldn't have had sex

Well, as far as it wasn't his choice, it was his choice to deal with the outcome no matter what it is. Whether she is using birth control or not, there is always a chance that pregnancy will happen...the only real precaution you can take is to not have sex at all, that way you do have a choice as to whether you want to be a father or not. So I think he should take responsiblity for his actions no matter what he thinks...he had sex so no matter what is going through that head of his, that beautiful little girl is his and will always be his, even if he doesn't want to be a part of her life. Suck it up buttercup.   

 
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July 6, 2006, 12:49 pm PDT

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Women need to take responsiblity. If the woman says she can't get pregnant and then doesn't make her boyfriend wear a condom then she has to be ready to raise a child alone. We talk about a woman's right to decide, we need to let guys have  rights. If they have made it clear about what they want and don't want before sex then he should be able to make a decision afterwards. Who really wants their child with someonewho doesn't want them - do not put his nameon the birth certificate. Then the baby is yours and yours only women!!!!!!

Ironically enough.. That is exactly what I did.. and I am damn proud that I did. But I do thank you for helping other women find their strengths.  

And.. did I read that right.. "doesn't make her boyfriend wear a condom.." I'm sorry. I didn't realize poor Matt didn't know how to wear one as an original idea.  

 
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July 6, 2006, 12:49 pm PDT

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AMEN!!!
Get real... it has been this way for years, I do not agree with women being the one to make the final decision, but there's a reason why God chose women to bear children... find control someway else... men!
 
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July 6, 2006, 12:50 pm PDT

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July 6, 2006, 12:50 pm PDT

GROW UP AND TAKE RESPONSIBILITY

MATT HAD A LOT OF NERVE GETTING INTO BED AND HAVING SEX WITH HIS GIRLFRIEND, WHEN HE WAS SOOOOO ADIMANT ABOUT NOT WANTING TO BE A FATHER!!!!  

IF MATT WAS THAT CONCERNED ABOUT NOT HAVING A CHILD, THEN HE SHOULD HAVE AT THE VERY LEAST, WORN A CONDOM.......AGAIN, AT THAT MOMENT HE WASN'T THINKING WITH THE RIGHT HEAD, AS MOST MEN DON'T WHEN IT COMES TO HAVING SEX.   

MATT, BE A MAN AND TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THAT BEAUTIFUL BABY GIRL YOU MADE. IT WAS CONSENTUAL RIGHT?????? WAKE UP, BECAUSE THAT BABY WILL GROW UP AND COME LOOKING FOR YOU LATER ON IN LIFE. YOU HAD A CHOICE BEFORE YOU DECIDED TO PUT A VERY IMPORTANT PART OF YOUR BODY INTO HERS.....IT TAKES TWO TO MAKE A BABY 

 
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July 6, 2006, 12:50 pm PDT

Men do have rights

Dr. Phil  

Please read this to the jerk whp say's he didn't have a choice. 

  

Men have the right to wear a condom. That protects their rights to help control the issue of when they are ready to have children. When they decide not to wear a condom and take the chance of making the woman pregnant, or they can chose to wear one to protect themselves from making a woman pregnant. Women take internal contraceptives, that is also available for men. But women can not put on a condom. So he made his choice. Now he needs to grow up and take responsibility for the consequences of having unprotected sex. If he dose not want to be involved with the child then just pay the child support and never contact the child. But when the child grows up tell her face to face that you want nothing to do with her don't run and hide, or make excuses. 

Then his next step is he never needs to have another child. So go get a vasectomy. Because he is as  worthless as tits on a bore hog and never needs to have any more children. Then he can say he made his choice and can continue having sex. But if it is going to be unprotected then he needs to think about sexually transmitted diseases. He made his choice now step up to the plate and deal with it. Quit crying like a baby just so you don't have to pay for what you have done. You need to be a man at some point. Stop being a sperm donner and take care of your little girl. All she needs is LOVE 

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July 6, 2006, 12:51 pm PDT

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Oh.. wait a minute...??? Men can't abandon their responsibilities without persecution?? I don't think I applied for a visa lately.. no.. I am still in America... and you know what? Men do that every single day.

and if a man is ordered to pay child support and doesn't he can and will be tracked down and his wages garnished...if he owes back child support, the courts will automatically take it from his tax refund..assuming he gets one... 

a woman can drop off her child at any "safe zone" without fear of persecution..the state will take over guardianship of the child..find them alternate care..and the mother gets off scott free... 

Not that I disagree with this at all..in fact I think because of this law there are a lot less babies left in dumpsters...Nor do I disagree with child support being inforced when two parents were in a committed relationship (i.e. married) with a joint decision to become parents in the first place.  But if you are unmarried and become pregnant it is your choice what you want to do..if you don't want the burden..close your legs.. the woman can choose...so should the man!! 

 
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July 6, 2006, 12:51 pm PDT

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Quote From: pplrcrazy

Okay...todays show, touched to close to home for me. I was told in November 2005 that I wouldn't be able to concieve, because of certain health issues. I continued my birth control (the ring) to maintain my cycle, and in December I found out I was in fact pregnant, and had been when he told me I wouldn't be able to have children. Women have all the choices your right, but when you are having sex protected or not, their is always that chance that you will become a parent. People are not complaining about the pleasure they get while involved in intercourse, but complain about the responsibility of the repurcutions of there own actions. AMERICA has enough dead beat dads in the world, and we sure as hell do not need anymore. When a single parent is working hard to make ends meet to pull the weight of two, no wonder the poverty level has sky rocketed, and more and more people are on welfare. The bottom line is, If i ever met that man, we would have a full down and dirty debate. He sounds as if he was brought up with no morals and justification for his behavior. His parents should knock him upside his head. NOTHING IS 100%......TAKE RESPONSIBILITY AND GROW UP. You have a little girl that is going to know why her daddy left her and it's going to hurt you in the long run, and for that little girls sake, when she reaches the age to understand, I hope she pulls you heart out with all the hard questions you will have to ansewer.
As my post is not up yet, i'll go with the Broad Stroke method of reply......The issue is not whether or not he should be a good dad, the issue is should he be FORCED to be a finacial father, when he stated from the begining that he was NOT ready to be a father.  If we can all put the emotions aside for a bit....the question is one of law, and EQUAL rights, not if the guy is a bad kid.  If you didnt want to do something, and expressed that ferverently afore hand, would you then not feel slighted when someone forced you to comply anyways? Would you not think it unfair? That is the issue here.
 
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July 6, 2006, 12:51 pm PDT

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I think fighting a war in the justice system over a mans rights is absurd. Women have more rights than men (in this situation) because if a woman gets pregnant unexpectly, and the man doesn't want to take responsibility, in the past, he didn't have to.  The laws were formed, as Dr. Phil pointed out, because there are men out there who want to have sex, unprotected or not, and not deal with the responsibilities. Why do you think the phrase "single mom" is so popular?  The woman didn't have a choice. So women have more rights. I'm not saying that makes it fair, but it also isn't fair when women are raped and have no option but to keep the baby. It is not fair that women  are (generally!) the main, or sole care givers for children. If's not fair when men and women both want to have sex, and the woman has to change her entire life for a child she was not prepared to care for instead of recieving help from the father. Parents should be made up of two people.  

  

I understand that it seems as though his rights as a man were violated, but as Dr. Phil pointed out, he could have used a condom. Yes, that isn't 100%, NO form of birth control is. The only 100% way to avoid pregnancy is abstanance. If he isn't willing to not have sex to aviod fatherhood, he has no right to fight this battle in court. What he should be fighting for is more forms of birth control for men. Why do women have all different forms of birth control (the pill, the patch, depo, the ring, iud,,, etc.)? Because  they wanted and they fought for them! 

 
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July 6, 2006, 12:53 pm PDT

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Quote From: giammetta

It's funny how many peole are coming to his defense. He could have worn a condom, he could have said no but alas he chose not too. So now he should grow up a be a real man and take care of his obligation.

tell me about it!!  

 
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