Topic : Spanking: Useful or Cruel?

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Created on : Thursday, June 30, 2005, 12:50:41 pm
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Is spanking a necessary evil or can you discipline effectively without physical punishment? Sound off about spanking.

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May 16, 2008, 3:14 pm PDT

Spanking: Useful or Cruel?

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I think we have to ask ourselves, which generation has been the most successful and I believe it to be the generation that fought WWII.  Even though they were spanked, expected to work hard, if they deserved to fail school they did, played hard and sometimes got hurt, fought hard and sometimes got hurt, and worked hard and sometimes got hurt.  they didn't look to other's to blame for their shortcomings.  they grew up in large families so their parent's themselves were working too hard to give them 'quality time' and yet they're not resentful.  all of the above being considered to be completely unacceptable in our 'enlightened' age. 

 

 As opposed to our generation, who have been coddled, had all the joy sucked out of playing by doing everything but wrap them in bubble-wrap so they never get a boo-boo, who are always told they're 'special', even when they're not acting special - in order to build self-esteem (and as a result believe the most shoddy efforts earn praise), never allowed to fail a grade even if they deserve it - in order to build self-esteem (so too many of them don't have the appropriate litteracy skills), never expected to do any work (egads - child labour) so they don't learn life skils until much later and then not well, don't get immediate consequences for bad behaviour, and yet we do discipline them if they defend themselves in the school yard or draw pictures of guns. sometimes I think the lunatics are running the asylum.  they're constantly supervised and scheduled every minute of every day until they go away to college - which leaves them lost and unable to schedule their own time when they finally escape that nonesense.  seems to me, this genreation is much more disrespecful, lazy and lost than ever before.  when they grow up, they believe everything is disposable, including their spouses, leaving their children even more lost.  we're supposed to be building better adults but we're failing them miserably.  we'd probably go better to go back to the old methods.  I don't know.  but I do know, this way isn't working.  and to not manage our children properly is child abuse.  We are programming them for failure.  yet sometimes you hear absolute nonesense stats.  like, if you go into a prison and question the inmates you will find that 90% of them have been abused.  but if you consider spanking to be abuse, you could get the same results from any Dr. Phil audience.  let's get a grip guys.  most of our parents spanked us and no, they were not child abusers.

Sorry, I think that generation is one of the most vile and hideous. History for that generation has become romanticized and white washed, but we are talking about a generation of people who embraced racism, sexism and homophobia. I don't care how hard they worked. Also, every person from that generation that I know has a very disgusting attitude about sexual abuse....I have no respect for that generation as a whole.
 
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May 16, 2008, 3:15 pm PDT

Today's Show on Paddling Kids in School

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So where is everyone, now that we've got a shiny new board to play with?  Come out, come out where ever you are!!  LOL

Dr. Phil I enjoyed your show today and was surprised that this is allowed in the school system.  I was a child that was hit in that manner growing up.  Parents need to be more involved with the school.. It is not OK to do that to anyone.  The mother drop the ball by allowing this to take place.  We need to help the schools and you are right we don't pay them effort.  Working on the other side with the police I see how these kid end up in the Youth House.  Since I have been that child and I have worked with the Youth House I don't see how this really helps our kids....Parents need to step up and do their jobs because right now it is left to the teachers and then the criminal system to handle them.  I did not like it when it was done to me and the fact is that it created fear and left scares that will never go away.  We need to pay the teachers more money.  We need parents to get more involved, that is the bottom line.  

 

Mrs. Ortiz, Tampa

 
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May 16, 2008, 3:15 pm PDT

Spanking: Useful or Cruel?

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Your husband spanks YOU? Or am I misunderstanding?
 
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May 16, 2008, 3:15 pm PDT

no use for spanking

I have 3 children 23,21 and 14.I have never spankied any of them and they are all well behaved very productive adults.I have never had to tell the youngest one no more than once,he is very popular with all his peers,teachers love him I recieve compliments from adults on a regular basis about how nice all my children are.We are very proud parents! We actually never grounded them or punished them I have told them what I expect from them and we talk about it.On the other hand my husband was spanked as a child and has emotional issues (he doesnt see it) he is also a drinker as well as his other siblings.I say there is no need to spank,the best way to have children behave is to just show them by the way you yourself behave.Lead by example.By the way Im no old parent either I had the first one at 19.
 
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May 16, 2008, 3:15 pm PDT

Spanking: Useful or Cruel?

I have two children and I have never spanked them. I can't imagine doing it.  They are good kids but we are strict.   They know what behavior we expect and for the most part they do it.  We disipline by taking away tv. playing with friends, grounding etc.  Spanking parents are LAZY parents!!!  If  the child has a behavior problem spanking/beating them will just make it worse.    Our world is violent enough!

 
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May 16, 2008, 3:16 pm PDT

If you can't handle it get a different job.

I have taught in the local school district for the past twelve years.  I teach seventh graders and have NEVER EVER felt the need to punish a child.  That is crazy, wrong, and teachers that feel they need to punish should be fired.  Teaching is about learning, policies and procedures not punishment.  Have effective control over your classroom, create an enviorment that involves and engages students.  All students shoud want to attend your classroom if you are a good teacher and make them feel welcome and safe.  Everyone wants to learn and feel success it is our job to allow students to have those experiences.  Teahers don't teach for pay and when pay is ever brought up teachers should ask themselves why did I pick this career.  NO ONE is forced to be a teacher it is a privledge get a different job you were smart enough to attend college once do it again and don't spend the next thirty years complaining about parents, pay, and lack of support because there are plenty of us that love our job and feel blesses to be A TEACHER. 
 
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May 16, 2008, 3:18 pm PDT

Unfit and Unqualified to be a Parent

   As I watch this show, and think about my own childhood, I have observed 2 things: 1) these adults are not qualified to raise children, making them unfit, and 2) they love being this way since obviously they don';t read one of the many books out there on childrearing nor go to the Internet.

  What we have in such parents, are undereducated, ignorant, married due to pressure from family and friends ( that is what women do since they shouldnt be living alone .....), and of course having kids because they have been led to believe, the women especially, that their job is to be a parent. They would never consider that maybe having children is something they really don't want to do. There are such women out there. What is worse is these adults keep breeding.... (nope just can;t not have  1 or 2 kids, cause they dont drive me crazy enough, I 'll have  5!!!!).  These are lousy parents, who have poor cognitive skills  ( that means thinking, duh...)and that makes them pathetic adults. Instead of going to mental health and asking for help, they think they just got it handled. Til someone gets hurt or dies....

  As for that teacher who thinks there is nothing wrong with paddling. Look at her culture. She is the typical "I am a powerful black woman", and I have no doubt her students live in fear.  Has the school considered a parent-teacher day where rather then discuss a specific child, they need to be teaching these adults parenting skills. ( oh no that would mean parents have to take time off from work to actually show concern for their kids wellbeing). I find it pathetic.  As a former Catholic school student, we were disciplined other ways - never physical abuse.  That was saved for the nuns of my parents generations. Nuns, however, had the good sense to understand what is discipline and what is abuse. A slap on the knuckles with a ruler said it all.

   There are way too many adults who cop out, become parents, when in reality they need to adopt an animal and lavish affection in that way . They could always volunteer to work with kids, but to hate your kids and claim you love them, and physically harm them and think they won;t remember, simply says we have current generations of unfit parents and up and coming generations of abusive parents.

 

No one was wound tighter at times then my dad; however we were brought up on what I lke to think of, for that time, a healthy mix of fear and respect.  We feared enough to to not incurr his or my mother's wrath and had to respect them when we were actually punished. I was spanked once when i was about  8 for stepping in cement that my friends and I were playing around. The spanking I don't remember, but I do remember, my mother, Brooklyn Irish born and bred, purposely seating me next to my father at the dinner table that night.  Talk about remembering impact and outcome.  I think the scariest time was when I had pushed my mom too far, ( I was  13); she turned on her heel toward me, raised her fist and backed me into the corner. As I coward, she reminded me " you little SOB, just wait til your faither gets home and because you made me call you an SOB you will also have to deal with God.  Lets just say I picked and chose my battles. ( and vowed never to back myself into a corner....)

 

 
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May 16, 2008, 3:18 pm PDT

Never hit children

Spare the rod and spoil the child is always miss quoted!!!  The rod is referring to the Sheppard’s rod to guide the sheep and keep them safe from danger, and heard them where they need to go.  Have you ever heard of a Sheep herder beating his sheep? You never hit children!!!!!
 
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May 16, 2008, 3:18 pm PDT

Teachers ??

This is not really about spanking but rather about the remark you made about poor teachers pay. I am a retired RN with a Masters degree and I have never even made $50,000 a year. I worked mostly nights partly because you have to work some and partly because it pays a little more. I have a child who's Dad was killed in a car accident when he was only 2 yrs old. I cannot tell you how many Christmas's I had to take him to the sitter and I had to go to work. Not only Christmas but all Holidays. Teachers never work at night, never work a holiday and they get 2 weeks at Christmas, 2 weeks in the Spring and nearly 3 months during the summer that they don't have to work.  Don't tell me about teachers pay-what about nurses???
 
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May 16, 2008, 3:19 pm PDT

Spanking - no way!

When my daughter was very young, we made a conscious decision not to use spanking as a means of discipline. We were very consistent together about this and very relieved when she would repeat the carefully learned phrase from daycare; "hands are for helping, not hurting". I would sometimes become upset and angry, but I'd be careful to say something like, "I love you, but your behaviour is not acceptable, so you need to go to your room and sit quietly and think about what you've done". One day, after working a very long day and trying to get her fed and bathed, she was a squirming, naked little kid standing in the bathtub just splashing and laughing at the game of how wet she could get Mommy with her splashing. I lost it and before I realized what I'd done I gave her a pretty hard swat on her wet butt. (It even hurt my hand!) I felt terrible and even more so when she looked at me through tears and said, "Mommy, you know hands are for helping, not for hurting".  What an ogre I felt like. That was the very last time she was ever spanked. Our daughter is now a beautiful, intelligent, well-mannered 16 year old young woman. We've treated her with respect as a person and have received respect in return. We have many friends who've commented over the years about how well-behaved she is and it's truly been consistency. There have  been a few times when it's been frustrating and difficult, but that's being a parent! We're blessed with a great daughter. Thanks.
 

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