Topic : Spanking: Useful or Cruel?
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May 17, 2008, 6:11 am PDT
 Quote From: sugarboog Luke 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children,and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
New Testament my dear....so according to your precious bible that gives you the "go ahead" to abuse children with a rod....you're supposed to "hate" your whole family...
I guess that's why you hit your kids with a rod? Even though the Holy Bible uses words that we have become accustomed to using, frequently, in an extreme sense, these words in the Bible do not always indicate the extreme usage. The words' context and, even, the form of the word used in that context, tells us how the word or words are being used IN THAT PARTICULAR INSTANCE.
This is what one reliable book (INSIGHT VOLUME I ©WATCH TOWER 1988 - one of many good reference books) says about "hate:"
"In the Scriptures the word "hate" has several shades of meaning. It may denote intense hostility, sustained ill will often accompanied by malice. Such hate may become a consuming emotion seeking to bring harm to its object. "Hate" may also signify a strong dislike but without any intent to bring harm to the object, seeking instead to avoid it because of a feeling of loathing toward it. The Bible also employs the word "hate" to mean loving to a lesser degree. (Ge 29:31, 33; De 21:15, 16) For example, Jesus Christ said: "If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own soul, he cannot be my disciple." (Lu 14:26) Obviously Jesus did not mean that his followers were to feel hostility or loathing toward their families and toward themselves, as this would not be in agreement with the rest of the Scriptures.—Compare Mr 12:29-31; Eph 5:28, 29, 33.
While Christians have no love for those who turn the undeserved kindness of God into an excuse for loose conduct, they do not hate persons who become involved in wrongdoing but who are worthy of being shown mercy. Instead of hating the repentant wrongdoer, they hate the wicked act, yes, "even the inner garment that has been stained by the flesh."—Jude 4, 23."
For centuries, people have tried to impose one standard to everything the Bible says; however, the Bible, itself, tells us the God of the Bible is not and does not hold one strict standard toward humans. He considers all the circumstances of each individual person in making a judgment. Not only that, his judgments are made over long periods of time - not snap judgments or "kangaroo court" decisions. This is true of all types of organizations, too.
We can only judge a person from the outside. We hear their words, see their actions - even their unspoken looks - and judge them from that point-of-view. The God of the Bible judges us from the inside - our beginnings, our upbringing, our mental, emotional and physical abilities - he sees what we're lacking even if a thorough medical examination finds nothing wrong with us. We're imperfect people and a medical examination is done with the best knowledge imperfect people have accumulated - and that changes, too, even if new knowledge and procedures are slow in entering mainstream medicine.
We're imperfect people and our spiritual advisers see us through imperfect knowledge - no matter how good the accumulated knowledge.
Many times, cultures, customs, politics, upbringing, religious ideas, etc., usurp good knowledge and even common sense.
Even people with children cannot claim to be experts. Those without children - well, it's a lot easier to be on the sidelines and say what should and should not be done.
I come from being in "big cities," where schools allow even 7th and 8th graders to smoke, skimpily dress and embrace and kiss each other.
When I was growing up, there were one or two bad teachers among a majority of good and moral men and women - and that's what we experienced in the classroom. Now, it seems that there are a majority of unethical - even immoral - men and women and only "one or two" good and moral men and women teaching our children. I'm not talking about homosexuals. Who knows how many years we had homosexual teachers who presented a good example to us as children in their charge? Since so many heterosexuals have adopted a visible loose conduct life style, why shouldn't homosexuals stop hiding, too?
We think that merely because a person has completed a course of studies to become a teacher (or anything) that they are qualified to be in contact with our child or children (and us in all areas of our lives) for a majority of their waking day. I've even seen a Kindergarten teacher in a public elementary school wearing a mini skirt that stopped just at the bottom of her buttocks' connection to her thighs. Some teachers, especially in public high schools, use the "F" word and more, dress and look slovenly, are not respectful - you name it, I've seen it.
One of my former neighbors was employed as a playground monitor. She observed a teacher using the "F" word and foul language at high school student who was cussing. Privately, my former neighbor talked to the teacher about rising above that type of conduct and being a good example to the students even if they didn't deserve it. Apparently the teacher complained and my former neighbor was fired from her job.
Many teachers think that it is not their job to be a role model to children. They think their only function is to dispense information to the children.
When I was growing up, teachers did not have to be told that they were role models. They knew that they had to be sober, moral and respectful - even to their students - as PERSONS, not because they were teachers. It came with the territory of being a responsible person, citizen and in interrelationships with everyone they came into contact with.
We have several generations now in business, politics and, even, education that do not have the standards that most people who are older grew up with.
Did we have temptations to deviate from the good morals and standards of conduct? Yes!
Did we deviate? Yes!
Did we incorporate it into our lifestyle? No!
When one is raised with higher expectations and standards, one may stray from them; however, they hated (disliked) the lowering of their standards and the disrespect they had for themselves for succumbing to degenerated conduct - and quit!
Merely because we can be tempted and do a morally lower conduct does not mean learning to know, respect and apply those standards is hypocritical and they don't work; therefore, it's not necessary to appreciate them and uphold them.
Today, even with teachers, degenerated conduct has become the norm and it seems that they don't even know what higher expectations and personal standards are. How do we know that they came by their credentials (in other areas of business, etc., too) by working hard for them? We don't! With so much cheating and favoritism (passing certain students because of personal involvement or liking), how do we know that some or many got their degree because they actually earned it?
Do we actually know the qualifications of a teacher and his or her superiors have to engage in spanking a child or children?
Do we know their psychological makeup?
Some can be loonier than the mom's who are left alone all day with only 1-3 children without any mental, emotional or physical support. If we can excuse brutality to a child or children in school at the hands of so-called "experts" then we should not harshly judge mom's - especially since they don't have the "label" that says they're experts and know what they are doing.
I will say one thing that I found deplorable in the elementary school I observed. A teacher told me that she was sending a boy to the office almost daily because he was disruptive in her classroom. His "disruptive" behavior was asking questions. She stated that she didn't have time for that because she had to get through the prescribed course outline. Such a revelation tells me that teachers are not in the classroom to teach. They are in the classroom to "get through a course outline" or else they will be viewed by their superiors as inept in their classroom.
Perhaps some teachers think they should spank children because they ask legitimate questions and they're scared to death they won't get through the prescribed course outline their superiors gave them. The course outline becomes their important (and, possibly, fearful) goal, not the students' needs. |
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May 17, 2008, 6:17 am PDT
When my kids were young and going to a small town school , I had an experience with a teacher about the whiping he gave my son . I have spanked him on the fat of his butt and did not leave marks or damage to him but , this teacher took a paddle to him and had him bend over and he beat him on the back side so hard it left marks through his clothes . When I saw these marks and my son told me that he had made him bend over and grab his ankle's ,I blew up and headed for the school . When I arrived the office woman told me that I had to have an appointment . The man was in his office so I went around the receptionist and entered the office. I told him who I was and we had a long and heated argument about how he punnished him the what he did . I told him that if he had hit my son the wrong way he could have really injured him for life and why didn't he give me the paddle and bend over and I would let him see what it felt like . I feel that there are many ways to get the message thru to kids without the use of paddles and other objects. If my kids needed to be disaplined , I could do it at home and I don't feel that it is the teachers right to do these things to thier students. My consequence's are very effictive with out beating it into them . I am a single mother and have raised my two by my self and It is no wonder our kids are rude and think that violence is the answer. Get rid of the paddles , and do the right thing! |
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May 17, 2008, 6:26 am PDT
Shame on all of you that believe it is ever rational or acceptable to spank! As for the arguement that some children are bad and need to be spanked....no child is inherently bad, they become what we tell them to become. It is amazing to me that we as a society have laws to protect animals and adults but not our children! Abuse is one extreme and indifference is another, but somewhere in the middle is the debatable topic of spanking. Why would any parent take the risk that they are going to do any kind of mental or emotional damage to their child. Children who are spanked do not behave better nor do they learn how to behave better, because all they are learning is that the bigger, stronger, emotionally unstable adult who is supposed to be protecting them is now hurting and intimidating them. Shame on you too Dr. Phil for not taking a stronger stance on this issue. You have incredible resources available to you and rather than bringing out the "big guns" so to speak and challenging the motives of educators who believe in paddling children, you took a softer approach and allowed for gray areas. I feel that anyone in your position has a responsibility and duty to attempt to make the world a better place. By allowing that teacher a forum to speak without presenting empirical evidence as to the serious harms of corporal punishment, you simply failed to make any improvement. Children learn what they see and hear. A child who is spanked and told they are bad will behave accordingly. Grow up people....READ what people are publishing and get out of the 1940's belief that children are your personal whipping posts! |
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May 17, 2008, 6:27 am PDT
Quote From: sugarboog Luke 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children,and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
New Testament my dear....so according to your precious bible that gives you the "go ahead" to abuse children with a rod....you're supposed to "hate" your whole family...
I guess that's why you hit your kids with a rod? Even though the Holy Bible uses words that we have become accustomed to using, frequently, in an extreme sense, these words in the Bible do not always indicate the extreme usage. The words' context and, even, the form of the word used in that context, tells us how the word or words are being used IN THAT PARTICULAR INSTANCE.
This is what one reliable book (INSIGHT VOLUME I ©WATCH TOWER 1988 - one of many good reference books) says about "hate:"
"In the Scriptures the word "hate" has several shades of meaning. It may denote intense hostility, sustained ill will often accompanied by malice. Such hate may become a consuming emotion seeking to bring harm to its object. "Hate" may also signify a strong dislike but without any intent to bring harm to the object, seeking instead to avoid it because of a feeling of loathing toward it. The Bible also employs the word "hate" to mean loving to a lesser degree. (Ge 29:31, 33; De 21:15, 16) For example, Jesus Christ said: "If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own soul, he cannot be my disciple." (Lu 14:26) Obviously Jesus did not mean that his followers were to feel hostility or loathing toward their families and toward themselves, as this would not be in agreement with the rest of the Scriptures.—Compare Mr 12:29-31; Eph 5:28, 29, 33.
While Christians have no love for those who turn the undeserved kindness of God into an excuse for loose conduct, they do not hate persons who become involved in wrongdoing but who are worthy of being shown mercy. Instead of hating the repentant wrongdoer, they hate the wicked act, yes, "even the inner garment that has been stained by the flesh."—Jude 4, 23."
For centuries, people have tried to impose one standard to everything the Bible says; however, the Bible, itself, tells us the God of the Bible is not and does not hold one strict standard toward humans. He considers all the circumstances of each individual person in making a judgment. Not only that, his judgments are made over long periods of time - not snap judgments or "kangaroo court" decisions. This is true of all types of organizations, too.
We can only judge a person from the outside. We hear their words, see their actions - even their unspoken looks - and judge them from that point-of-view. The God of the Bible judges us from the inside - our beginnings, our upbringing, our mental, emotional and physical abilities - he sees what we're lacking even if a thorough medical examination finds nothing wrong with us. We're imperfect people and a medical examination is done with the best knowledge imperfect people have accumulated - and that changes, too, even if new knowledge and procedures are slow in entering mainstream medicine.
We're imperfect people and our spiritual advisers see us through imperfect knowledge - no matter how good the accumulated knowledge.
Many times, cultures, customs, politics, upbringing, religious ideas, etc., usurp good knowledge and even common sense.
Even people with children cannot claim to be experts. Those without children - well, it's a lot easier to be on the sidelines and say what should and should not be done.
I come from being in "big cities," where schools allow even 7th and 8th graders to smoke, skimpily dress and embrace and kiss each other.
When I was growing up, there were one or two bad teachers among a majority of good and moral men and women - and that's what we experienced in the classroom. Now, it seems that there are a majority of unethical - even immoral - men and women and only "one or two" good and moral men and women teaching our children. I'm not talking about homosexuals. Who knows how many years we had homosexual teachers who presented a good example to us as children in their charge? Since so many heterosexuals have adopted a visible loose conduct life style, why shouldn't homosexuals stop hiding, too?
We think that merely because a person has completed a course of studies to become a teacher (or anything) that they are qualified to be in contact with our child or children (and us in all areas of our lives) for a majority of their waking day. I've even seen a Kindergarten teacher in a public elementary school wearing a mini skirt that stopped just at the bottom of her buttocks' connection to her thighs. Some teachers, especially in public high schools, use the "F" word and more, dress and look slovenly, are not respectful - you name it, I've seen it.
One of my former neighbors was employed as a playground monitor. She observed a teacher using the "F" word and foul language at high school student who was cussing. Privately, my former neighbor talked to the teacher about rising above that type of conduct and being a good example to the students even if they didn't deserve it. Apparently the teacher complained and my former neighbor was fired from her job.
Many teachers think that it is not their job to be a role model to children. They think their only function is to dispense information to the children.
When I was growing up, teachers did not have to be told that they were role models. They knew that they had to be sober, moral and respectful - even to their students - as PERSONS, not because they were teachers. It came with the territory of being a responsible person, citizen and in interrelationships with everyone they came into contact with.
We have several generations now in business, politics and, even, education that do not have the standards that most people who are older grew up with.
Did we have temptations to deviate from the good morals and standards of conduct? Yes!
Did we deviate? Yes!
Did we incorporate it into our lifestyle? No!
When one is raised with higher expectations and standards, one may stray from them; however, they hated (disliked) the lowering of their standards and the disrespect they had for themselves for succumbing to degenerated conduct - and quit!
Merely because we can be tempted and do a morally lower conduct does not mean learning to know, respect and apply those standards is hypocritical and they don't work; therefore, it's not necessary to appreciate them and uphold them.
Today, even with teachers, degenerated conduct has become the norm and it seems that they don't even know what higher expectations and personal standards are. How do we know that they came by their credentials (in other areas of business, etc., too) by working hard for them? We don't! With so much cheating and favoritism (passing certain students because of personal involvement or liking), how do we know that some or many got their degree because they actually earned it?
Do we actually know the qualifications of a teacher and his or her superiors have to engage in spanking a child or children?
Do we know their psychological makeup?
Some can be loonier than the mom's who are left alone all day with only 1-3 children without any mental, emotional or physical support. If we can excuse brutality to a child or children in school at the hands of so-called "experts" then we should not harshly judge mom's - especially since they don't have the "label" that says they're experts and know what they are doing.
I will say one thing that I found deplorable in the elementary school I observed. A teacher told me that she was sending a boy to the office almost daily because he was disruptive in her classroom. His "disruptive" behavior was asking questions. She stated that she didn't have time for that because she had to get through the prescribed course outline. Such a revelation tells me that teachers are not in the classroom to teach. They are in the classroom to "get through a course outline" or else they will be viewed by their superiors as inept in their classroom.
Perhaps some teachers think they should spank children because they ask legitimate questions and they're scared to death they won't get through the prescribed course outline their superiors gave them. The course outline becomes their important (and, possibly, fearful) goal, not the students' needs. |
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May 17, 2008, 6:44 am PDT
I normally agree with Dr. Phil, but yesterday's show really let me down. It is quite evident in the schools today that discipline at home is lacking. The teachers are there to teach, not provide parental discipline. If they need to spank to make undisciplined children listen, good for them!! I feel there are children who understand "No" or "Don't do that", but there are many who only respond to a good swat on the bottom. No, this is not violence with a weapon!!! Have you noticed the violence going on in schools? Children in 2nd grad threatening to kill their teacher, pipe bombs thrown in schools, shooting, etc.; it's on the news everday!! Maybe if everyone would stop the Dr. Spock attitude and get real with kids today, the schools would better be able to teach. My sister has stopped teaching....has been told to "F....you" to her face and was told not to go down certain halls at lunch time because that's were kids go to fight. Come on Dr. Phil; maybe some of this would stop if kids knew they were going to get spanked. The Dr. Spock attitude of expressing yourself needs to stop now...the ONLY THING I heard you say that I agreed with was "Maybe we need to bring the parents in and spank them". I agree whole-heartedly with the teacher who said she spanks. |
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May 17, 2008, 6:51 am PDT
I was disappointed with Dr. Phil and they way he handled this woman. She admitted what she was doing was wrong and yet he kept hammering her for what looked like sensationalism. I know what she felt like as I lived her life. Only after my children became adults did I seek help and come to the full realization of the damage I had done. Now I see the dysfunction I passed onto them on a daily bases and it saddens me. Spanking is NEVER ok especially from anger. It demeans the child and as Dr. Phil says, it changes who they are. Once spanking becomes the norm, they child develops ways to manipulate the situation to keep from being spanked. All trust and honesty is gone. |
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May 17, 2008, 6:52 am PDT
Quote From: allmymonkeys Try finding a Bible, a concordance and a dictionary!! Try even the Amplified Bible...go to Proverbs 23:13,14..."Withhold not discipline from the child; for even if you strike and punish him with the [reedlike rod, he will not die. You shall whip him with the rod and deliver his life from Sheol (Hades, the place of the dead). So...is God wrong?! I pretty sure He's talkin' about these kid's. I'm sorry but there is such a HUGE difference between beating and punishing, I'm in criminal justice for youth services, I want to help children that are not in good homes, but I mean children that are truely being abused,...not punished for being a brat, we are made flesh but we have to be taught right from wrong and taught God's way or we as a nation are calling God a liar and that is something that I surely am not brave enough to be that person,....you go ahead. Many wrong things have been done in the name of God, Man has a way of using God to justify his wrong doings, by calling out his name while doing it. To think that God would want you to use pain to teach. When he himself doesn't do it to us, he sent us his son to insure that we don't have to suffer for our sins. |
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May 17, 2008, 6:52 am PDT
Quote From: bost0188 When I was growing up I got beat with a belt. My dad would ask all of us , who did something ? If we lied my dad smacked all of us to make sure he got the right one. But , when I was raising my children , I took what they like the most off of them for a month. Then I would give it back. We picked a family day and watched movies together and ate pizza, as if we were at the show. I told my boys don't ever think you can't come talk to me about something that is bother them. I think continue to hit them is teaching them that there is only one good way to disapline your child. They grow up to hit people. Just make them stand in the corner and even let them sit at a window and let the other kids play. It finally works, because they don't want to be sitting on the chair watching the kids play , he wants to play , too. I have read your blog but I find that if a child really doesn't want to do something they won't care what a school would do to them. I grew up in a school that had an indoor pool and if I didn't earn a free swim I wouldn't be swimming in the pool. I didn't care about that so I wouldn't do the work. I agree time outs and other methods should be used and i would use those first but if the child needs a couple swats to teach them that you're not playing then some gentle swats may work. |
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May 17, 2008, 7:13 am PDT
Quote From: madridmommy Shame on all of you that believe it is ever rational or acceptable to spank! As for the arguement that some children are bad and need to be spanked....no child is inherently bad, they become what we tell them to become. It is amazing to me that we as a society have laws to protect animals and adults but not our children! Abuse is one extreme and indifference is another, but somewhere in the middle is the debatable topic of spanking. Why would any parent take the risk that they are going to do any kind of mental or emotional damage to their child. Children who are spanked do not behave better nor do they learn how to behave better, because all they are learning is that the bigger, stronger, emotionally unstable adult who is supposed to be protecting them is now hurting and intimidating them. Shame on you too Dr. Phil for not taking a stronger stance on this issue. You have incredible resources available to you and rather than bringing out the "big guns" so to speak and challenging the motives of educators who believe in paddling children, you took a softer approach and allowed for gray areas. I feel that anyone in your position has a responsibility and duty to attempt to make the world a better place. By allowing that teacher a forum to speak without presenting empirical evidence as to the serious harms of corporal punishment, you simply failed to make any improvement. Children learn what they see and hear. A child who is spanked and told they are bad will behave accordingly. Grow up people....READ what people are publishing and get out of the 1940's belief that children are your personal whipping posts! Thank you for this posting, and I agree with your comments. Quite frankly, I am amazed at the number of responses in favor of spanking. It takes a bit more effort, intelligence and compassion to think the problems through and identify solutions, than a typical knee jerk reaction to start spanking. |
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May 17, 2008, 7:28 am PDT
Quote From: twocultures Even though the Holy Bible uses words that we have become accustomed to using, frequently, in an extreme sense, these words in the Bible do not always indicate the extreme usage. The words' context and, even, the form of the word used in that context, tells us how the word or words are being used IN THAT PARTICULAR INSTANCE.
This is what one reliable book (INSIGHT VOLUME I ©WATCH TOWER 1988 - one of many good reference books) says about "hate:"
"In the Scriptures the word "hate" has several shades of meaning. It may denote intense hostility, sustained ill will often accompanied by malice. Such hate may become a consuming emotion seeking to bring harm to its object. "Hate" may also signify a strong dislike but without any intent to bring harm to the object, seeking instead to avoid it because of a feeling of loathing toward it. The Bible also employs the word "hate" to mean loving to a lesser degree. (Ge 29:31, 33; De 21:15, 16) For example, Jesus Christ said: "If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own soul, he cannot be my disciple." (Lu 14:26) Obviously Jesus did not mean that his followers were to feel hostility or loathing toward their families and toward themselves, as this would not be in agreement with the rest of the Scriptures.Compare Mr 12:29-31; Eph 5:28, 29, 33.
While Christians have no love for those who turn the undeserved kindness of God into an excuse for loose conduct, they do not hate persons who become involved in wrongdoing but who are worthy of being shown mercy. Instead of hating the repentant wrongdoer, they hate the wicked act, yes, "even the inner garment that has been stained by the flesh."Jude 4, 23."
For centuries, people have tried to impose one standard to everything the Bible says; however, the Bible, itself, tells us the God of the Bible is not and does not hold one strict standard toward humans. He considers all the circumstances of each individual person in making a judgment. Not only that, his judgments are made over long periods of time - not snap judgments or "kangaroo court" decisions. This is true of all types of organizations, too.
We can only judge a person from the outside. We hear their words, see their actions - even their unspoken looks - and judge them from that point-of-view. The God of the Bible judges us from the inside - our beginnings, our upbringing, our mental, emotional and physical abilities - he sees what we're lacking even if a thorough medical examination finds nothing wrong with us. We're imperfect people and a medical examination is done with the best knowledge imperfect people have accumulated - and that changes, too, even if new knowledge and procedures are slow in entering mainstream medicine.
We're imperfect people and our spiritual advisers see us through imperfect knowledge - no matter how good the accumulated knowledge.
Many times, cultures, customs, politics, upbringing, religious ideas, etc., usurp good knowledge and even common sense.
Even people with children cannot claim to be experts. Those without children - well, it's a lot easier to be on the sidelines and say what should and should not be done.
I come from being in "big cities," where schools allow even 7th and 8th graders to smoke, skimpily dress and embrace and kiss each other.
When I was growing up, there were one or two bad teachers among a majority of good and moral men and women - and that's what we experienced in the classroom. Now, it seems that there are a majority of unethical - even immoral - men and women and only "one or two" good and moral men and women teaching our children. I'm not talking about homosexuals. Who knows how many years we had homosexual teachers who presented a good example to us as children in their charge? Since so many heterosexuals have adopted a visible loose conduct life style, why shouldn't homosexuals stop hiding, too?
We think that merely because a person has completed a course of studies to become a teacher (or anything) that they are qualified to be in contact with our child or children (and us in all areas of our lives) for a majority of their waking day. I've even seen a Kindergarten teacher in a public elementary school wearing a mini skirt that stopped just at the bottom of her buttocks' connection to her thighs. Some teachers, especially in public high schools, use the "F" word and more, dress and look slovenly, are not respectful - you name it, I've seen it.
One of my former neighbors was employed as a playground monitor. She observed a teacher using the "F" word and foul language at high school student who was cussing. Privately, my former neighbor talked to the teacher about rising above that type of conduct and being a good example to the students even if they didn't deserve it. Apparently the teacher complained and my former neighbor was fired from her job.
Many teachers think that it is not their job to be a role model to children. They think their only function is to dispense information to the children.
When I was growing up, teachers did not have to be told that they were role models. They knew that they had to be sober, moral and respectful - even to their students - as PERSONS, not because they were teachers. It came with the territory of being a responsible person, citizen and in interrelationships with everyone they came into contact with.
We have several generations now in business, politics and, even, education that do not have the standards that most people who are older grew up with.
Did we have temptations to deviate from the good morals and standards of conduct? Yes!
Did we deviate? Yes!
Did we incorporate it into our lifestyle? No!
When one is raised with higher expectations and standards, one may stray from them; however, they hated (disliked) the lowering of their standards and the disrespect they had for themselves for succumbing to degenerated conduct - and quit!
Merely because we can be tempted and do a morally lower conduct does not mean learning to know, respect and apply those standards is hypocritical and they don't work; therefore, it's not necessary to appreciate them and uphold them.
Today, even with teachers, degenerated conduct has become the norm and it seems that they don't even know what higher expectations and personal standards are. How do we know that they came by their credentials (in other areas of business, etc., too) by working hard for them? We don't! With so much cheating and favoritism (passing certain students because of personal involvement or liking), how do we know that some or many got their degree because they actually earned it?
Do we actually know the qualifications of a teacher and his or her superiors have to engage in spanking a child or children?
Do we know their psychological makeup?
Some can be loonier than the mom's who are left alone all day with only 1-3 children without any mental, emotional or physical support. If we can excuse brutality to a child or children in school at the hands of so-called "experts" then we should not harshly judge mom's - especially since they don't have the "label" that says they're experts and know what they are doing.
I will say one thing that I found deplorable in the elementary school I observed. A teacher told me that she was sending a boy to the office almost daily because he was disruptive in her classroom. His "disruptive" behavior was asking questions. She stated that she didn't have time for that because she had to get through the prescribed course outline. Such a revelation tells me that teachers are not in the classroom to teach. They are in the classroom to "get through a course outline" or else they will be viewed by their superiors as inept in their classroom.
Perhaps some teachers think they should spank children because they ask legitimate questions and they're scared to death they won't get through the prescribed course outline their superiors gave them. The course outline becomes their important (and, possibly, fearful) goal, not the students' needs. And your point would be? |
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