Topic : Debating Among Different Religious Beliefs

"Jesus is our brother not a God" 

Ouch!  Wouldn't do any good for me to continue debating or discussing our differences. 

Take care.  Hopefully  you and I will meet back at "home" someday upon our deaths.......... 

preferably in Heaven. 

Hazel 

As my mom always said "church is there for the sinners".     

I like your few cents worth. 

Well I surely do know all people complain.  That is not what I was overly refering to... there are complaining that life is harsh, thier children ingore them, they have a bad life.  And then there are those who complain that about how thier religion is treated, how bad it is that certain aspect of thier religion is not allowed in Government or schools.  "We are looked down upon because..... "  I have heard much more from fellow Christians.  I even had one or two who dare compaired themselves and thier believe to the Jews and all that they went through.   

In every religion of the world there are good and bad eggs.  Religon was not made for the saintly to follow but for the sinners.  I was just pointing  out that one can not blanket coat an entire religous sect as one thing.  We are different and no one knows what someone else does outside the church walls until you become an observer.  Fun thing is my job has nothing to do with religion but because it is phone work people will tell you thier personal life story over the phone including information better left unsaid. 

As for Jesus in my knowledge he is not a victim not even in his own mind.  He lived the life he was meant to live and he saw it through to the righful end.  He knew all the time what he was meant to do and be.  Jesus was one who had the enlightenment that God allowed him as to his life path.  He knew direct consult with God and all the others back home (BTW note... life is gaining knowledge & what most people see as heaven I call home for it is where we came from and shall return to) as to his paths.  Certain events were laid out before his birth into this life and he lived each event as planned.  I do not and will not see him as a victim. 

Yes, it is the person who is responsible for their actions.  I don't put down other religions, because I know how it is to be judged.  Beleive me I encounter it almost every day.  I don't know if the people who are being like that to me are Christians or not, but that does not entitle someone to act so intolerant against another.  

 Actually, I do know.  The area we live now is full of Christians.  Many have said things to my husband about his pentacle necklace.  They even said he should remove it, because people might think he's Jewish and that's not a good thing around here.  Can you beleiv it?  What if we were Jewish?  Instead my husband told them he was Pagan and was not going to remove the necklace.  Keep in mind this is at a workplace.  When we wear our pentacles people stare like they think we're satan worshippers.  But the thing is, we're not.  We don't even beleive in the devil.  I think the devil is something the church made up to use as a scare tactic for people to join their church.  "Join us or burn in hell".  Yes, I've actually seen posters like this. 

The thing is, people act a certain way, because they think they are supposed to act that way.  Some Christians are very tolerant and treat people with respect and then there are others who treat people not too well because they are non-beleivers and are doing wrong.  Don't get me wrong, there are Pagans who are not nice either, it comes with EVERY religion.   

I myself like to treat people with respect.  I like to talk with people.  Religion is a touchy subject, but I still like to talk about it. 

Elffie 

Elffie  I do actually agree with that ....no matter what we say do what religion we follow we are ALL HUMAN!!!!  I cannot stand rude people, people that think they are better because of things they own or what they have gained in life, people who flat out think they are better for no particular reason at all........I think that  is one thing we all can agree on is that no matter what your religion being rude and not watching or caring for your children(saw in another quote you had written) is unexceptable.  I have worked with people and went to school with people who were so hateful and so mean in soooo many different ways,  I dont understand it.... no matter how bad your life is or what you may have better than others is no reason to be hateful or rude to others.....and the whole thing about the people wanting your husband to remove his necklace I to think that is wrong  ....no one should be forced to remove something or be silented unless they are causing harm or caous.  I can truly see why you feel the way you do about others who are intolerant against another.....i also beleive it is outrageous..........And i also like to talk about religion ...and want others to know i dont judge them due to what they believe and what i belive ...I truly think you are a great person from what i read that you have written,  and i understand you just believe in something different than me........so no matter the religion I still have friends and even family  that do not necessarily believe exactly what i do so i truly mean no harm in what i say just stating what i believe in not what you should.....ABURKES  

Yes some people do complain about those religions and no i dont feel sorry for them either.  All of use go through hardships some just need to wake up and see that......and no i took no offense and didnt at all mean for you to apologize ....im sorry for making you think that just trying to say that we all complain the ones who complain about their religion though like as you said they went through what the jews went through....now that is just sad......so no i did not at all take offense to what you said i too was just stating something...didint mean to make you think i was offended i know you were just speaking your mind and if there are people who are grumping about thier religious hardships that is just ridiculous they need to realize that life itself can be a hardship and no one deserves pity just for living thier lives.  And the whole jesus as a victim thing i did not mean as though he was a victim in his own path or in his own mind but as though he was victimized due to his beliefs and his teachings.....not for one second do i believe that he saw himself as a victim because he did have a planned path but as though he was truly tortured due to what he knew was the right thing to do just because he believed in something that others saw as unexceptable. So please do not think i meant jesus as a victim i just meant he was victimized due to his beliefs and what he was put there to do.   

Is anyone going to join me over here for discussing things we couldn't discuss on the "I'm Gay, OK? board?   I'm ready if you are.  :>) First topic of discussion?