Topic : Debating Among Different Religious Beliefs

"However, being that he never claimed to be God - I do not think Christ was God.  And when he said "son of God" he was talking about all mankind being a son of God." 

John 10:30 - Jesus said He was part of God. He said, "I and my Father are one." 

Exodus 3:14 -God identifies Himself to Moses by calling himself "I AM." Twice Jesus refers to Himself as the "I AM." Those around him knew exactly what he was saying and they were greatly offended.  

"Jesus said unto them, Verily verily, I say you, before Abraham was, I am. Then they took up stones to cast at him …" (John 8:58, 59a) "Whom seek ye? They answered him, Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus saith unto them I am he. As soon as he said unto them, I am he, they went backward, and fell to the ground." (John 18:4b, 5, 6) 

Revelation 1:8 -18 -Jesus said, he is the Almighty Lord. The following is a vision John had of Jesus. Verses 2, 13, 17,18 identify Jesus as the: 

(v 2) "… testimony of Jesus Christ …"(v 8) "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty."(v 11) "Saying I am alpha and Omega, the first and the last…"(v 13) "And in the midst of the seven lamp stands, one like the Son of man …"(v 17b. 18a) "Fear not; I am the first and the last; I am he that liveth and was dead…" 

Isaiah 44:6 -In Rev 1:11, Jesus says He is the first and the last. Isa. 44:6 shows that the one who is "first and the last is actually God. "Thus saith the Lord, the King of Israel, and his redeemer, the Lord of host: I am the first, and I am the last, and beside me there is not God." 

Hebrews 1:8 -God the Father said Jesus was God.  

"Unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is forever and ever; a scepter of righteousness is the scepter of thy kingdom." 

Isaiah 9:6 -Jesus (the Messiah) is called the Mighty God.  

"For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given, and the government shall be upon his shoulder; and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The Mighty God, the Everlasting Father, the Prince of Peace." 

Matthew 1:23 -Jesus is called Immanuel, which means "God with us."  

"Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Immanuel, which, being interpreted, is God with us." 

"… stand before the Judgment Seat of Christ. For it is written, As I live saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me and every tongue shall confess to God." (Romans 14:10b, 11)  

"That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow … and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord." (Philippians 2:10a,11a)  

John 5:23 -We have to honor Jesus that same way as God the Father.  

"That all men should honor the Son, even as they honor the Father. He that honoreth not the Son honoreth not the Father who hath sent him." 

Nice tapdance.  You "attach the poor pity me syndrome to Christians", but that's not judging or labeling???   

Thank you for the apology to whoever it was for, but to "point out" or "single out" Christians is unfair.  (Watch the news), There are many Muslims who are really feeling pity right now, many Earth worshippers who are feeling pity right now, and a whole bunch of athiests who boo hoo every day because we have a Christian president and everything with the word God or Jesus hasn't been removed fast enough from every visible place, etcetera.   

Perhaps you hear alot more from Christians because you work with more Christians than any other religious denomination.  Perhaps you work with Christians who are not exercising their faith in the scriptures (ie: weak Christians).  Maybe they're just exercising their right to protest the treatment that exists (removing the ten commandments from public places where they've been for years, taking the word God out of songs where it's been for years, threatening to remove God from our money where it's been for years, no bible study on break or lunch at work places or schools, no nativity scenes, or maybe they're just human and are going through a rough time with their families, children and work like the rest of the human population. 

Where do you stand?  What is your faith, belief, or denomination at this moment?  You seem to know about the life of Christ.  Are you a former Christian who feels that God let them down?  Or like I saw on another board a current Christian who uses hyperbole's (degrading language) to describe their own belief system, or like so many others on these boards, have you read multiple books on theories, thrillers, and fictional but facinating reading? 

Just curious.  Please don't take offense.   

To single out Christians who pity themselves or play victim is judgemental on your part.  The same complaints and feeling of constant mistreatment can be said of these organizations and groups: 

Women 

Native Indians 

African Americans 

Jews 

Latinos 

           and so on 

Muslims 

Atheists 

Earth Worshippers 

Cults 

           and so on 

Their complaints are no more valid or more significant than a Christian's.  Each has a right to protest the treatment they believe to be unjust.  Each may have a valid reason for protesting, whinning or feeling mistreated.   

There are many unstable individuals practicing religion these days.  Sounds like you're surrounded by a town of them.   

I stated that christians do feel vistim in response to comment Christians do not pity themselves.  Or some such matter.  I was just trying to show or demostrate a slight error on that train of thought.  No need to wash my face in information I already know.  If I was unclear before let me be clear now.    

I guess this forum might not be as open as I had hoped it to be about religions and faith.    

For the record... I am GNOSTIC my teaching of faith are my own chosing. I beleive ALL religions to be true if they are honest and open with God no matter what name they use to call him/her.  I believe that God is an all loving God and to but human beleifs on him/her is not honoring him at all.  God is without evil and loves ALL his Children (no matter the faith) equally.  WE will all return home upon or deaths in this life including Atheist, Muslims, Buddhist, Jews and Satan worshipers.  As long as they chose the light of God upon death.  WE have all lived for many years and lived several lifes at verious times.  We are eternal since our life is at home and this is just the teaching ground for enlightenment we would not receive back home.   Jesus is our brother not a God.  Judas is not a evil betrayer but an enlighten soul who knew his path in life as well as Jesus knew his.  And is also our brother.  

Anything else you would like to know.  

I am an open book.
  

So you beleive in reincarnation?  I do. 

They way I explain this to people is like this, 

Have you ever met someone who you feel you have known "forever"? 

Do you want to go some place, maybe a country, just because you feel drawn to it? 

Are you very interested  with how people before you have lived? 

I think we do live many lives.  To say we only get one is ridicilous to me.  This world has been here for so long and to think we only live on it for a second (compared to how old the Earth is) is beyond me.  There are too many things to see that cannot be seen in one life.   

I learned about this in history class, about reincarnation, how the Mayans beleived in it.  I was so facinated by it that it was all I could think about for a while after that class.  I was in 6th grade. Turns out that my family history dates back to the Mayans.  Very interesting, don't you think? 

When I was a child, I felt a motherly presence, not just only from my mom, but I think by the Goddess.  My beleifs have been with me since I was a child.  No one really taught me any of it, I just felt it.  I didn't know my religion had a name until 41/2 years ago when I took a trip to Salem, MA.  I've felt like that missing peice is now found.  Paganism is right for me.  Not for everyone, but it is for me. 

Elffie 

I stated that christians do feel vistim in response to comment Christians do not pity themselves.  Or some such matter.  I was just trying to show or demostrate a slight error on that train of thought.  No need to wash my face in information I already know.  If I was unclear before let me be clear now.    

I guess this forum might not be as open as I had hoped it to be about religions and faith.    

For the record... I am GNOSTIC my teaching of faith are my own chosing. I beleive ALL religions to be true if they are honest and open with God no matter what name they use to call him/her.  I believe that God is an all loving God and to but human beleifs on him/her is not honoring him at all.  God is without evil and loves ALL his Children (no matter the faith) equally.  WE will all return home upon or deaths in this life including Atheist, Muslims, Buddhist, Jews and Satan worshipers.  As long as they chose the light of God upon death.  WE have all lived for many years and lived several lifes at verious times.  We are eternal since our life is at home and this is just the teaching ground for enlightenment we would not receive back home.   Jesus is our brother not a God.  Judas is not a evil betrayer but an enlighten soul who knew his path in life as well as Jesus knew his.  And is also our brother.  

Anything else you would like to know.  

I am an open book.
  

There are many unstable individuals practicing religion these days.  Sounds like you're surrounded by a town of them.