Topic : Debating Among Different Religious Beliefs

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November 4, 2006, 5:07 pm PST

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Male and Female (Intellect) and (Emotionalism)  When I said in an earlier quote that God represents duality.  The Male(intellect), Female (emotionalism), I didn't mean Intelligence and emotions.  My point was that without these two balance in every person, it makes a lop-sided person.  Meaning, if you were to make a decision with pure intellect, you would be sort like a robot who bases decisions without thinking what impact it may have on someones family, on their mentality.  Decisions made purely of statistics and without thinking of possible consequences.  Without Emotion, someone makes a rash decision with only their brain, not with their heart.  This has nothing to do with Intelligence,  So never think I'm referring to Males as more intelligent.  When I say Female (emotionalism) I mean, with just emotion, we may make a decision that doesn't make sense because we have our hearts tied into something.  We will make decisions purely based off of personal feeling regardless of what is right.  This has nothing to do with women being emotional.  It's like masculine and feminine words in other languages, they have nothing to do with Male and Female.  When these two parts of God are balance, then we make for a better person, with balance and rational thinking.  These qualities together is what Jesus was.  He was a well balanced person.  That's why more and more it makes sense for God to be duality, Male and Female counterparts, Yin/Yang.  Two parts acting as one and completing what is a perfect being.  If we all were to strive for this, maybe we can all be better people.  We all know people that are  lop-sided in this, regardless of their sex.  I wanted to clarify this because I am trying, as a man and not gay(not that there's anything wrong with that) want to elevated women the way Jesus did.  We can have a better understanding of God if were to include both aspects. 
 
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November 4, 2006, 5:27 pm PST

Debating Among Different Religious Beliefs

Quote From: turkalurk

Well, then, I would hate for them to get their hands on a study like this one here:

 

 

The Times

Is this a clever thing to say about women's IQ?
HALF the population will dismiss this story, but a study claims that the cleverest people are much more likely to be men than women.

Men are more intelligent than women by about five IQ points on average, making them better suited for tasks of high complexity, according to the authors of a paper due to be published in the British Journal of Psychology.

NI_MPU('middle'); Genetic differences in intelligence between the sexes helped to explain why many more men than women won Nobel Prizes or became chess grandmasters, the study by Paul Irwing and Professor Richard Lynn concluded.

They showed that men outnumbered women in increasing numbers as intelligence levels rise. There were twice as many with IQ scores of 125, a level typical for people with first-class degrees.

When scores rose to 155, a level associated with genius, there were 5.5 men for every woman.

Dr Irwing, a senior lecturer in organisational psychology at Manchester University, said that he was uncomfortable with the findings. But he added that the evidence was clear despite the insistence of many academics that there were no meaningful sex differences in levels of intelligence.

For personal reasons I would like to believe that men and women are equal, and broadly thats true. But over a period of time the evidence in favour of biological factors has become stronger and stronger, he said.

I have been dragged in a direction that I dont particularly like, but it would be sensible if the debate was based on what we pretty much know to be the case.

 

I'm not posting this to debate about it.  I just was surprised by it and wanted to hear what women would say about it. 

1) You need to consider the validity of an IQ test. Read Howard Gardner's theory of Multiple Intelligences. I am not necessarily disputing that there may be genetic differences in men and women, but IQ only measures a certain aspect of intelligence. Gardner argues that it is not really IF one is smart, but rather HOW one is smart. Who is to say that a logic /reasoning intelligence is more worthy or valuable than interpersonal intelligence or linguistic intelligence?

 

2) the number of people who reach genius status is about 2% of the population. So for any man to read this data and glean from it that he is inherently more intelligent than any woman or even most women only shows his own lack of reasoning skills.

 

3) Social factors must be considered. Does this study prove that men are INHERENTLY more intelligent, or are they socially conditioned to be more competitive, more aggressive in achieving awards and recognitions, and more expected to pursue higher academics? IQ is not set in stone at birth. There are ways to substantially improve or decrease an IQ score or potential.

 

I recently read a study that over 50% of women who earned in the 100,000+ salary range were childless. From an award/achievement standpoint, women are much more likely to take time away from career or personal aspirations to have children and raise a family. So to expect women to achieve Nobel prizes or become chess masters at the same rate as men is silly. If men could bear and nurse children, and were socially expected to put personal ambition aside for the sake of family and children, then we could try to draw a fair comparison.

 
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November 5, 2006, 9:57 am PST

Somebody Please Explain

Quote From: numba1

According to the christian bible, Jesus was crucified on the cross and allegedly "died". Also according to the bible, Jesus was resurrected and ascended to heaven a few days later.

If this is to be accepted, where then is this big deal sacrifice that christians talk about? Death, erased by resurrection is not death. Consider Judas. Judas played the most important role in the crucifixtion story. Without Judas, there would be no crucifixtion. Yet Judas truly died (was not resurrected). Judas was sacrificed. Jesus' death was only half-baked.

Something you mentioned regarding the resurrection brought this to mind.

 

Easter Question:

Christ was put in the tomb on Good Friday and Resurrected on Sunday Sunrise. Now the scriptures make it very clear that he was in the tomb 3 days and 3 nights, how can you get 3 days and 3 nights from Friday right before sunset to Sunday Sunrise? - This is impossible!

He also died on the preparation day because he had to be taken down off the cross and have is body prepared before the Sabbath, the Bible also makes it very clear that he was resurrected on the Sabbath?

 

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November 5, 2006, 10:36 am PST

Debating Among Different Religious Beliefs

Quote From: purplepenny

The differences pointed out in this article aren't huge. And true or not people still should not walk around with a stereo typical view of men and women because, and take this how you will because I am not one who has a high opinion of myself, I am smarter than a lot of men I come across and I'm the proud owner of a vagina and uterus.

So, if "god" has  male/female parts and they are intellectual/emotional then I would personally expect to see a more marked and more hard lined difference between men and women.  To assign intellect to men and emotions to women is simply stereotypical.
Hmm, I was wondering how you'd take this seeing that it was the result of study performed by the scientific method.  I don't think they have assigned intellect to men and emotions to women by calling one side feminine and the other side masculine.  Well, maybe they did, but I choose not to see it that way. 
 

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November 5, 2006, 10:41 am PST

Debating Among Different Religious Beliefs

Quote From: witchysybil

I sure wouldn't want a man that wasn't very emotional.

How can you divide these?

We should all have both in us and both should be apart of everyones lives at all time.  You don't want emotion without intelligence on how to control it,  just as you....or at least I....wouldn't want intelligence without emotion in there, its another part of balance.

Again, I think you gals are misinterpreting the yin/yang.  A person has both sides of the duality in him. We are both intellectual and emotional.  Actually, the yin/yang isn't a static circle divided in two.  It is a dynamic swirl constantly changing from one into the other.  The energy of the yin is constantly changing into yang as yang is changing into yin. 
 

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November 5, 2006, 10:57 am PST

Debating Among Different Religious Beliefs

Quote From: julie1418

1) You need to consider the validity of an IQ test. Read Howard Gardner's theory of Multiple Intelligences. I am not necessarily disputing that there may be genetic differences in men and women, but IQ only measures a certain aspect of intelligence. Gardner argues that it is not really IF one is smart, but rather HOW one is smart. Who is to say that a logic /reasoning intelligence is more worthy or valuable than interpersonal intelligence or linguistic intelligence?

 

2) the number of people who reach genius status is about 2% of the population. So for any man to read this data and glean from it that he is inherently more intelligent than any woman or even most women only shows his own lack of reasoning skills.

 

3) Social factors must be considered. Does this study prove that men are INHERENTLY more intelligent, or are they socially conditioned to be more competitive, more aggressive in achieving awards and recognitions, and more expected to pursue higher academics? IQ is not set in stone at birth. There are ways to substantially improve or decrease an IQ score or potential.

 

I recently read a study that over 50% of women who earned in the 100,000+ salary range were childless. From an award/achievement standpoint, women are much more likely to take time away from career or personal aspirations to have children and raise a family. So to expect women to achieve Nobel prizes or become chess masters at the same rate as men is silly. If men could bear and nurse children, and were socially expected to put personal ambition aside for the sake of family and children, then we could try to draw a fair comparison.

 1)So why do you think that I need consider the validity of an IQ test?  What makes you think that I wouldn't? 

 

2)Well, a man can look at this study and see that, if he scored more than 125 on an IQ test, than there would be only half as many woman that scored as high as he did.

 

3)There are ways to improve or decrease an IQ score or potential, but those ways are availible to both men and women. 

 

 

Yeah, I read a similar study, it said that most of those women are also much more likely to be cheaters as well.  Does that mean I should stay away from succesful business women?

 
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November 5, 2006, 11:05 am PST

Debating Among Different Religious Beliefs

Quote From: turkalurk

Again, I think you gals are misinterpreting the yin/yang.  A person has both sides of the duality in him. We are both intellectual and emotional.  Actually, the yin/yang isn't a static circle divided in two.  It is a dynamic swirl constantly changing from one into the other.  The energy of the yin is constantly changing into yang as yang is changing into yin. 

I think that's what Witchysybil is saying.  Duality, you can't divide these subjects because they are in each of us, some more than others.  This is what I believe atleat, I can't speak for Witchysybil, but I do believe that in men there are feminine aspects, and in women there are male aspects.

 

To be honest I haven't been reading all of the posts, just stopped by and saw this one.  I'm doing a fly by posting. LOL 

 

Hope everyone is doing well.

 

 

 
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November 5, 2006, 11:43 am PST

Debating Among Different Religious Beliefs

Just to be clear, this duality stuff is from my original statements, if you want to argue with someone, I'm the one you should argue with.  I made these statements and I can defend my stance.

Male and Female (Intellect) and (Emotionalism)  When I said in an earlier quote that God represents duality.  The Male(intellect), Female (emotionalism), I didn't mean Intelligence and emotions.  My point was that without these two balance in every person, it makes a lop-sided person.  Meaning, if you were to make a decision with pure intellect, you would be sort like a robot who bases decisions without thinking what impact it may have on someones family, on their mentality.  Decisions made purely of statistics and without thinking of possible consequences.  Without Emotion, someone makes a rash decision with only their brain, not with their heart.  This has nothing to do with Intelligence,  So never think I'm referring to Males as more intelligent.  When I say Female (emotionalism) I mean, with just emotion, we may make a decision that doesn't make sense because we have our hearts tied into something.  We will make decisions purely based off of personal feeling regardless of what is right.  This has nothing to do with women being emotional.  It's like masculine and feminine words in other languages, they have nothing to do with Male and Female.  When these two parts of God are balance, then we make for a better person, with balance and rational thinking.  These qualities together is what Jesus was.  He was a well balanced person.  That's why more and more it makes sense for God to be duality, Male and Female counterparts, Yin/Yang.  Two parts acting as one and completing what is a perfect being.  If we all were to strive for this, maybe we can all be better people.  We all know people that are  lop-sided in this, regardless of their sex.  I wanted to clarify this because I am trying, as a man and not gay(not that there's anything wrong with that) want to elevated women the way Jesus did.  We can have a better understanding of God if were to include both aspects. 

 
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November 5, 2006, 11:54 am PST

My original Message

This is my reponse to someone saying I was bringing up old stereo types.  To Turk thanks for defending my comments I call it Male and Female because that's what we are.  It's not a stereo type.  All there is are Male and Female beings,  including animals that are Male and Female.  My point was, if we are created in the likeness and image of our creator, then that's what God would be, both Male and Female.  You are twisting my words to make it sound sexist an stereotypical.  You are taking words out of context.  I am acknowledging that God is Part Female as well as Male, but everyone refers to God as Man.  Duality is Male and Female, that's all there is.  Our parents are Male and Female, we need both, without we would never have life.  Well take that concept further and apply it to God.  Without the duality of a Male and Female God, creation would never take place. Logic tells us that everything is in a circle with God, never ending.  Male and Female had never been anything more or anything less in millions of years.  You can't have one without the other, apply that concept to God.  If you also read further, I wrote that Intellect and Emotionalism has nothing to do with Male and Female,  I mean here I am supporting a female side of God and you are telling me I'm feeding an old stereotypes.  The old way would be to keep thinking that men rule the world and therefore God is a man.  The stereotype is the bible.  The stereotype is what the church is even today.  I'm trying to break that by saying what I said.  So please don't take me out of context, thanks for your comments, bye   
 
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November 5, 2006, 1:03 pm PST

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This is my reponse to someone saying I was bringing up old stereo types.  To Turk thanks for defending my comments I call it Male and Female because that's what we are.  It's not a stereo type.  All there is are Male and Female beings,  including animals that are Male and Female.  My point was, if we are created in the likeness and image of our creator, then that's what God would be, both Male and Female.  You are twisting my words to make it sound sexist an stereotypical.  You are taking words out of context.  I am acknowledging that God is Part Female as well as Male, but everyone refers to God as Man.  Duality is Male and Female, that's all there is.  Our parents are Male and Female, we need both, without we would never have life.  Well take that concept further and apply it to God.  Without the duality of a Male and Female God, creation would never take place. Logic tells us that everything is in a circle with God, never ending.  Male and Female had never been anything more or anything less in millions of years.  You can't have one without the other, apply that concept to God.  If you also read further, I wrote that Intellect and Emotionalism has nothing to do with Male and Female,  I mean here I am supporting a female side of God and you are telling me I'm feeding an old stereotypes.  The old way would be to keep thinking that men rule the world and therefore God is a man.  The stereotype is the bible.  The stereotype is what the church is even today.  I'm trying to break that by saying what I said.  So please don't take me out of context, thanks for your comments, bye   

 I agree there are male and female aspects in all of us and I believe in God also. Of course, one is usually more dominant than the other.

 

 

 

 

Just stopped by and had to throw in my two cents!

 

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