Topic : Debating Among Different Religious Beliefs

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November 5, 2006, 1:15 pm PST

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I wanted to bring up the discussion of Sin and what it actually means to Sin.  Does anyone have opinions on what it is?  My opinion personally is that there is no such thing as sin.  Think about it.  People tend to only call it Sin when it's convenient or it's working against someone else.  When you commit a "Sin" you are making a moral mistake right?  It would be a Sin to kill someone right?  What if you were defending yourself from someone, is it still a Sin?  Parents tell their kids all the time that it's a sin whenever they do somethings wrong.  So who defines sin?  It really is in the eye of the beholder.  Not getting married in a Church is not really a sin.  Telling a lie is not sinning.  Really sin and morals are two different things.  We all have some kind of moral value regardless of religion or lack of one.  Sin is a great way to control people.  Back then, it was a sin to do just about anything and forget it if the Church didn't like it, you were downright murdered for it.  Which wouldn't be a sin in the churches eyes, because they are "upholding God's Laws" right?  When we die, do you actually think God is standing over you saying, well " You messed up here, now I'm going to have to punish you".  Again, we are humanizing God, making God act like our Parents would.  The worse possible thing would be when you die you watch your whole life flash before you and the things you did bad you judge yourself for.  In an all-loving environment you would know exactly what you did wrong and what you could have done better.  You would be your own worse critic.  Think about when you hurt someone, the guilt and pain you live with because you know you messed up.  Well, that to me is scarier than God judging me.  If God were like this, God wouldn't be All-knowing all Loving.  Judgment is something that humans are flawed with, not God.  God being all Knowing, wouldn't create you and me, knowing we will mess up, only to have the pleasure of punishing us later.  That's why more and more Reincarnation makes the most sense.  God gives us more opportunities to get it right, to try again, to try and be more God-like, to perfect ourselves.  Jesus taught this, the church omits this information from the bible.  You would have to read The Gnostic Gospels, Dead Sea Scroll Nag Hammandi, these were written at that time, but had to be hidden.  Imagine the church telling people this. They would be afraid people wouldn't be controlled, because we would realize there would be more than one chance at Salvation.  Just remember people, some are supporting a religion, like most, that has a history  of Inquisitions, mass murder, deceit, corruption and politics.  All things we fight against today, but when it has God behind it, we overlook all that.  Start thinking about what your being asked to believe.  Don't just follow something because that's how you grew up. think about what you are supporting.  It's like taking drug money. 

Thanks for reading, I hope we can have a mature discussion,

 
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November 5, 2006, 2:11 pm PST

Cheryl, to answer your question....

Why would most Americans think Paganism is a good thing?

 

 

 

See, that's what I'm talking about. 

 

Why would most Americans think Paganism is a good thing?  Because we are good, peaceful people, who worship this Earth and respect all creatures in it. We respect our mother (Earth), we do not think our religion is the one and only.  We know that there other religions here in America and that people are free to worship as they choose.  We don't go around saying that our religion is the best and the only.

 

I don't understand why that is hard to understand.  So what if we worship the creation, who really created it in the first place?  I know, many will say God did, but which God?  It all comes down to what you believe and I believe that worshiping nature is not a bad thing.

 

And that is fine that most of Americans believe in God of the Bible, but that does not mean that they can't understand other things.  If you were to see me and my family and think "There's a good American family" would that change if you knew we were Pagan?  I would certainly hope not.  That would be prejudice.

 
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November 5, 2006, 2:19 pm PST

Debating Among Different Religious Beliefs

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This is my reponse to someone saying I was bringing up old stereo types.  To Turk thanks for defending my comments I call it Male and Female because that's what we are.  It's not a stereo type.  All there is are Male and Female beings,  including animals that are Male and Female.  My point was, if we are created in the likeness and image of our creator, then that's what God would be, both Male and Female.  You are twisting my words to make it sound sexist an stereotypical.  You are taking words out of context.  I am acknowledging that God is Part Female as well as Male, but everyone refers to God as Man.  Duality is Male and Female, that's all there is.  Our parents are Male and Female, we need both, without we would never have life.  Well take that concept further and apply it to God.  Without the duality of a Male and Female God, creation would never take place. Logic tells us that everything is in a circle with God, never ending.  Male and Female had never been anything more or anything less in millions of years.  You can't have one without the other, apply that concept to God.  If you also read further, I wrote that Intellect and Emotionalism has nothing to do with Male and Female,  I mean here I am supporting a female side of God and you are telling me I'm feeding an old stereotypes.  The old way would be to keep thinking that men rule the world and therefore God is a man.  The stereotype is the bible.  The stereotype is what the church is even today.  I'm trying to break that by saying what I said.  So please don't take me out of context, thanks for your comments, bye   

I believe in a God and Goddess. =)  That is also why I believe that each man has female aspects and each woman has male aspects.  It does not make sense to think that life came only from man, where was the woman?  We have peices of the God and Goddess with us.

 

I understand what you are saying.  I, in no way, think that men are superior than women.  Maybe that's why I believe in a Goddess. LOL  They are different, but equal.

 

Have a good day.

 
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November 5, 2006, 2:19 pm PST

Debating Among Different Religious Beliefs

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Hmm, I was wondering how you'd take this seeing that it was the result of study performed by the scientific method.  I don't think they have assigned intellect to men and emotions to women by calling one side feminine and the other side masculine.  Well, maybe they did, but I choose not to see it that way. 
That's how this began, you said something about God having a male/intellectual side and a female/emotional side.

I think it's sharply ignorant to think that women are all emotional and men are all intellectual.  If those traits were to be assigned to one side or the other I would personally expect to see a HUGE difference in men and women in those ways, but I don't. That study you showed doesn't show that, it shows a small difference, and you have to then take into account what Julies posted.

That is the point. YOU are the one who started this discussion.
 
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November 5, 2006, 2:21 pm PST

Debating Among Different Religious Beliefs

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That's how this began, you said something about God having a male/intellectual side and a female/emotional side.

I think it's sharply ignorant to think that women are all emotional and men are all intellectual.  If those traits were to be assigned to one side or the other I would personally expect to see a HUGE difference in men and women in those ways, but I don't. That study you showed doesn't show that, it shows a small difference, and you have to then take into account what Julies posted.

That is the point. YOU are the one who started this discussion.
Maybe clockers did...anyway,  you need to follow the conversation.
 
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November 5, 2006, 2:23 pm PST

Debating Among Different Religious Beliefs

Quote From: clockers

I wanted to bring up the discussion of Sin and what it actually means to Sin.  Does anyone have opinions on what it is?  My opinion personally is that there is no such thing as sin.  Think about it.  People tend to only call it Sin when it's convenient or it's working against someone else.  When you commit a "Sin" you are making a moral mistake right?  It would be a Sin to kill someone right?  What if you were defending yourself from someone, is it still a Sin?  Parents tell their kids all the time that it's a sin whenever they do somethings wrong.  So who defines sin?  It really is in the eye of the beholder.  Not getting married in a Church is not really a sin.  Telling a lie is not sinning.  Really sin and morals are two different things.  We all have some kind of moral value regardless of religion or lack of one.  Sin is a great way to control people.  Back then, it was a sin to do just about anything and forget it if the Church didn't like it, you were downright murdered for it.  Which wouldn't be a sin in the churches eyes, because they are "upholding God's Laws" right?  When we die, do you actually think God is standing over you saying, well " You messed up here, now I'm going to have to punish you".  Again, we are humanizing God, making God act like our Parents would.  The worse possible thing would be when you die you watch your whole life flash before you and the things you did bad you judge yourself for.  In an all-loving environment you would know exactly what you did wrong and what you could have done better.  You would be your own worse critic.  Think about when you hurt someone, the guilt and pain you live with because you know you messed up.  Well, that to me is scarier than God judging me.  If God were like this, God wouldn't be All-knowing all Loving.  Judgment is something that humans are flawed with, not God.  God being all Knowing, wouldn't create you and me, knowing we will mess up, only to have the pleasure of punishing us later.  That's why more and more Reincarnation makes the most sense.  God gives us more opportunities to get it right, to try again, to try and be more God-like, to perfect ourselves.  Jesus taught this, the church omits this information from the bible.  You would have to read The Gnostic Gospels, Dead Sea Scroll Nag Hammandi, these were written at that time, but had to be hidden.  Imagine the church telling people this. They would be afraid people wouldn't be controlled, because we would realize there would be more than one chance at Salvation.  Just remember people, some are supporting a religion, like most, that has a history  of Inquisitions, mass murder, deceit, corruption and politics.  All things we fight against today, but when it has God behind it, we overlook all that.  Start thinking about what your being asked to believe.  Don't just follow something because that's how you grew up. think about what you are supporting.  It's like taking drug money. 

Thanks for reading, I hope we can have a mature discussion,

I believe in reincarnation.  I believe each life you are supposed to learn.  What you did not learn in another life, you will learn in the next. 

 

I did read somewhere, very clearly, that when a man dies he is reborn again, but some have told me that it was not about reincarnation.  I don't know, it was pretty clear to me.  I'll have to look it up and post it.

 

 

 

 

 
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November 5, 2006, 2:24 pm PST

Actually!

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That's how this began, you said something about God having a male/intellectual side and a female/emotional side.

I think it's sharply ignorant to think that women are all emotional and men are all intellectual.  If those traits were to be assigned to one side or the other I would personally expect to see a HUGE difference in men and women in those ways, but I don't. That study you showed doesn't show that, it shows a small difference, and you have to then take into account what Julies posted.

That is the point. YOU are the one who started this discussion.
Actually I started the discussion on this topic of Male and Female counterparts.  If you want to blame anyone, blame me.  Turkalurk is defending comments I made.  As far as the study goes, that's not  my debate.  Please read everything I said in the last couple of days before you pull stuff out of context.  thanks
 
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November 5, 2006, 2:30 pm PST

Debating Among Different Religious Beliefs

Quote From: clockers

Actually I started the discussion on this topic of Male and Female counterparts.  If you want to blame anyone, blame me.  Turkalurk is defending comments I made.  As far as the study goes, that's not  my debate.  Please read everything I said in the last couple of days before you pull stuff out of context.  thanks
I didn't pull anything out of context. I corrected my mistake below as you can see.

 
 
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November 5, 2006, 2:34 pm PST

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Quote From: purplepenny

I didn't pull anything out of context. I corrected my mistake below as you can see.

 
yes, sorry I jumped the gun, without reading further.  Thanks
 
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November 5, 2006, 2:59 pm PST

a quiz from a pretty neat website

Now I know that this isn't what anyone is talking about but I thought that this was a neat quiz and I thought that I would share it with everyone.

 

 

ENJOY!!!!!!!!

 

 

Charise

 

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