Topic : Debating Among Different Religious Beliefs

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November 5, 2006, 3:00 pm PST

Debating Among Different Religious Beliefs

Quote From: charise820

Now I know that this isn't what anyone is talking about but I thought that this was a neat quiz and I thought that I would share it with everyone.

 

 

ENJOY!!!!!!!!

 

 

Charise

I forgot the link sorry here it is

 

http://www.beliefnet.com/section/quiz/index.asp?sectionID=&surveyID=27

 
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November 5, 2006, 3:03 pm PST

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Quote From: charise820

I forgot the link sorry here it is

 

http://www.beliefnet.com/section/quiz/index.asp?sectionID=&surveyID=27

sorry not quiet the right link that is a good one but this was the one I meant sorry

 

http://www.beliefnet.com/story/76/story_7665_1.html

 
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November 5, 2006, 4:15 pm PST

Debating Among Different Religious Beliefs

Quote From: charise820

I will be honest I haven't read all of the post but I do now that many people do believe in reincarnation, I am one of them.  I read some where were a study was done with past live regrestion (sp) and the 80% of the people could prove a birth mark was related to some injury, in the other 20% they had no birth marks.  I think that this cool and something to think about.  I know that they haven't really proved with science but if everything was proved with science then there would be no magic in the world nothing for us to think about.  Something to look forward to.

 

Also I believe that you don't come back always to learn the same thing I believe that we come to learn more that one thing I believe is that we come until we find our own enlightenment.  But again these are my thoughts.

 

Thanks for reading

Charise

"I know that they haven't really proved with science but if everything was proved with science then there would be no magic in the world nothing for us to think about. "

I don't need magic in order to have something to think about...LOL I have ZERO belief in supernatural, magic or anything like that and I have plenty to think about.
 

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November 5, 2006, 4:17 pm PST

Debating Among Different Religious Beliefs

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I wanted to bring up the discussion of Sin and what it actually means to Sin.  Does anyone have opinions on what it is?  My opinion personally is that there is no such thing as sin.  Think about it.  People tend to only call it Sin when it's convenient or it's working against someone else.  When you commit a "Sin" you are making a moral mistake right?  It would be a Sin to kill someone right?  What if you were defending yourself from someone, is it still a Sin?  Parents tell their kids all the time that it's a sin whenever they do somethings wrong.  So who defines sin?  It really is in the eye of the beholder.  Not getting married in a Church is not really a sin.  Telling a lie is not sinning.  Really sin and morals are two different things.  We all have some kind of moral value regardless of religion or lack of one.  Sin is a great way to control people.  Back then, it was a sin to do just about anything and forget it if the Church didn't like it, you were downright murdered for it.  Which wouldn't be a sin in the churches eyes, because they are "upholding God's Laws" right?  When we die, do you actually think God is standing over you saying, well " You messed up here, now I'm going to have to punish you".  Again, we are humanizing God, making God act like our Parents would.  The worse possible thing would be when you die you watch your whole life flash before you and the things you did bad you judge yourself for.  In an all-loving environment you would know exactly what you did wrong and what you could have done better.  You would be your own worse critic.  Think about when you hurt someone, the guilt and pain you live with because you know you messed up.  Well, that to me is scarier than God judging me.  If God were like this, God wouldn't be All-knowing all Loving.  Judgment is something that humans are flawed with, not God.  God being all Knowing, wouldn't create you and me, knowing we will mess up, only to have the pleasure of punishing us later.  That's why more and more Reincarnation makes the most sense.  God gives us more opportunities to get it right, to try again, to try and be more God-like, to perfect ourselves.  Jesus taught this, the church omits this information from the bible.  You would have to read The Gnostic Gospels, Dead Sea Scroll Nag Hammandi, these were written at that time, but had to be hidden.  Imagine the church telling people this. They would be afraid people wouldn't be controlled, because we would realize there would be more than one chance at Salvation.  Just remember people, some are supporting a religion, like most, that has a history  of Inquisitions, mass murder, deceit, corruption and politics.  All things we fight against today, but when it has God behind it, we overlook all that.  Start thinking about what your being asked to believe.  Don't just follow something because that's how you grew up. think about what you are supporting.  It's like taking drug money. 

Thanks for reading, I hope we can have a mature discussion,

I have had some similar thoughts about sin.  However, I do believe there is such a thing as sin.  I just don't think it is always so easy to define an absolute moral standard.  Does that mean there is no absolute truth concerning morality?  So far, I can only define sin as doing something harmful that someone does so against their judgement of right or wrong.  Does that mean that someone could go around killing people because he doesn't think it is wrong to do so?  I wouldn't like to think so.  I would like to think that everyone knows what is right or wrong, but tries to rationalize it.  It does seem to be rather relative, but that doesn't mean there is no such thing as sin.  And you see, if someone doesn't know something is wrong to do, then how can I judge that person for it?  Because I think it is wrong?  Well, that would be unfair to judge a person based on my knowledge of right or wrong.  To me, sin happens when someone does something that they know is wrong.  Do you really think that the world would be a better place without any moral standards?  I don't have that much faith in people.  I don't care where you live, alot of these moral standards are universal.  Yes, somethings are relative, but others are not.  I see god as absolute truth.  And I would like to believe that everyone at some point of their life can experience that absolute truth and see where they were wrong. One more thing, sin and morality are not two different things.  Sin isn't always defined in religious context.  Sin can be a transgression of moral law as well.  And I certainly believe that lying is a sin.  I take lying very seriously, I try my best not to even tell the little white lies.  And I feel guilty everytime I mess up.    I think the more you care about living a life without sin, the more you start to see how easy it is to sin.  You start to see how the things you do that can have a negative affect on the world even when you didn't see it like that before.  This makes it more difficult, like for instance, I don't like to kill anything, but what about poisonous spiders that are in my home?  Sometimes, I try and capture them and release them outside somewhere.  Other times, I decide to kill them, but everytime I do, I feel extremely remorseful about it.  So I usually just don't kill them.  Or how about cockroaches?  I don't want to kill them either, but I don't want them to invest my home either?  You see it doesn't matter if I can justify or rationalize it, I still feel the same when I kill.  I still feel the same when I lie, rather I had good reason to or not.  This is a complicated subject, and I don't have time to get in depth on it, but these are just some thoughts on it.
 
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November 5, 2006, 4:19 pm PST

Debating Among Different Religious Beliefs

Quote From: purplepenny

"I know that they haven't really proved with science but if everything was proved with science then there would be no magic in the world nothing for us to think about. "

I don't need magic in order to have something to think about...LOL I have ZERO belief in supernatural, magic or anything like that and I have plenty to think about.

Ok I understand that and I am sorry if I offened you I didn't mean too.  But i just never thought of not having anything to beieve in... but that again is something to think about too

 

 

 
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November 5, 2006, 4:31 pm PST

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Quote From: charise820

Ok I understand that and I am sorry if I offened you I didn't mean too.  But i just never thought of not having anything to beieve in... but that again is something to think about too

 

 

Oh no no no...I was just being kinda silly...LOL I should have made that more clear.

I mean, I am serious, but my post was meant to be kinda funny. Sorry.
 
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November 5, 2006, 4:36 pm PST

understanding

I really understand why there are Atheists.  I'd have to say, if I didn't research and read endlessly I would have to be one.  If I didn't prove to myself the existence of God through Science and Logic, then I wouldn't believe at all.  Sometimes Atheists form out of rebellion to religion.  People preaching that their religion is the right one.  Or judging others because they don't share in the same beliefs.  Or claiming to know what God thinks and will do if you sin.  Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs and I respect that, but I can't respect when people don't do their homework.  God can be pr oven without blind faith, I mean you also have to want that belief.  There are some that will, no matter what,  ignore any piece of evidence.  To have faith that there is God is one thing, but to have faith that God's the author of the bible or any other religious book is ignorant.  You are being asked to believe that God put words down in books for people 2000 years ago and you have to follow this or else.  This information would be timeless, not just applying to people from that era, but would relate to all time.  You would think, being that it's God, we would have this knowledge inside of us already.  I mean, Jesus did say the kingdom of heaven is within us.  Meaning, we already have this knowledge if we are open enough to see it.  So instead God left it up to people to pass information down, knowing the message will get lost along the way.  We have to start thinking and never stop learning.  Thanks   
 
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November 5, 2006, 4:40 pm PST

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Quote From: turkalurk

 1)So why do you think that I need consider the validity of an IQ test?  What makes you think that I wouldn't? 

 

2)Well, a man can look at this study and see that, if he scored more than 125 on an IQ test, than there would be only half as many woman that scored as high as he did.

 

3)There are ways to improve or decrease an IQ score or potential, but those ways are availible to both men and women. 

 

 

Yeah, I read a similar study, it said that most of those women are also much more likely to be cheaters as well.  Does that mean I should stay away from succesful business women?

1)So why do you think that I need consider the validity of an IQ test?  What makes you think that I wouldn't? 

 

Which question would you like me to answer? They are rather contradictory. Do you understand the term validity as it applies to statistical research? Did you bother to learn about Multiple Intelligences? That would help you understand the question of validity as it applies to measuring intelligence via an IQ test.

 

2)Well, a man can look at this study and see that, if he scored more than 125 on an IQ test, than there would be only half as many woman that scored as high as he did.

 

Turk, if you find yourself in the top two percent of IQ, then I guess maybe you could say you are smarter than 98% of men and 99% of women. If that strokes a fragile male ego, I can live with that one!

 

3)There are ways to improve or decrease an IQ score or potential, but those ways are availible to both men and women. 

 

Not necessarily. That's what I meant by social factors. Even today, males are more encouraged to aggressively pursue high academics and noteworthy careers. There have been studies (yes, more studies) that show that even female teachers who consider themselves to be unbiased, or even feminist, tend to call on boys more than girls. There is a socialization that we are not even consciously aware of.

 

We have come a long way. When my mother graduated from school. women who wanted to pursue higher education basically had three choices - teacher, nurse, secretary. So biases towards women have been around for a long time and we are slowly overcoming them, but we are not there yet. So, NO, we do not have completely equal opportunity to compete in this area.

 

 

Yeah, I read a similar study, it said that most of those women are also much more likely to be cheaters as well.  Does that mean I should stay away from succesful business women?

 

I'm thinking that dealing with a barrage of intelligent, successful women is NOT going to a issue for you - at present.


 

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November 5, 2006, 4:40 pm PST

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That's how this began, you said something about God having a male/intellectual side and a female/emotional side.

I think it's sharply ignorant to think that women are all emotional and men are all intellectual.  If those traits were to be assigned to one side or the other I would personally expect to see a HUGE difference in men and women in those ways, but I don't. That study you showed doesn't show that, it shows a small difference, and you have to then take into account what Julies posted.

That is the point. YOU are the one who started this discussion.

No, I wasn't the one who said god had either side.  I don't believe god is either male nor female.  I don't believe in a god with any attributes.  I am a naturalist who thinks of god as the totality of existence.  I am also agnostic because I think that there are lots of valid questions that have some good answers that can't be proven.  What I am saying is that yin and yang isn't used in the way you guys are trying to describe it.  At least that I know of.  The study was just to validate

 why intellect should go on the male side.  That doesn't mean that women are all emotional and men are all masculine.  I think to say that shows that you know little about the philosophy you speak of, which is completely understandable.  Here is what the encyclopedia says about it.  Maybe that will get the point across.  Personally, I would have never chose to call it the male/intellectual side or the female/emotional side.  It leads to misinterpretation if you are speaking to someone unfamiliar with that philosophy. 

 

 

The concepts of Yin and Yang originate in ancient Chinese philosophy and metaphysics, which describes two primal opposing but complementary forces found in all things in the universe. Yin (Chinese: 陰/阴; pinyin: yn; literally "shady place, north slope (hill), south bank (river); cloudy, overcast") is the darker element; it is sad, passive, dark, feminine, downward-seeking, and corresponds to the night. Yang (陽/阳; yáng; "sunny place, south slope (hill), north bank (river); sunshine") is the brighter element; it is happy, active, light, masculine, upward-seeking and corresponds to the day. Yin is often symbolized by water, while Yang is symbolized by fire.

Yin (feminine, dark, passive force) and Yang (masculine, bright, active force) are descriptions of complementary opposites rather than absolutes. Any Yin/Yang dichotomy can be seen as its opposite when viewed from another perspective. The categorisation is seen as one of convenience. Most forces in nature can be seen as having Yin and Yang states, and the two are usually in movement rather than held in absolute stasis.

[edit] Summary of Yin and Yang concepts

Everything can be described as both Yin and Yang.

1. Yin and Yang are not opposites.

Everything has its opposite—although this is never absolute, only relative. No one thing is completely Yin or completely Yang. Each contains the seed of its opposite. For example, winter can turn into summer; "what goes up must come down".

2. Yin and Yang are interdependent.

One cannot exist without the other. For example, day cannot exist without night. Light cannot exist without darkness.

3. Yin and Yang can be further subdivided into Yin and Yang.

Any Yin or Yang aspect can be further subdivided into Yin and Yang. For example, temperature can be seen as either hot or cold. However, hot can be further divided into warm or burning; cold into cool or icy. Within each spectrum, there is a smaller spectrum; every beginning is a moment in time, and has a beginning and end, just as every hour has a beginning and end.

4. Yin and Yang consume and support each other.

Yin and Yang are usually held in balance—as one increases, the other decreases. However, imbalances can occur. There are four possible imbalances: Excess Yin, excess Yang, Yin deficiency, and Yang deficiency. They can again be seen as a pair: by excess of Yin there is a Yang deficiency and vice versa. The imbalance is also a relative factor: the excess of Yang "forces" Yin to be more "concentrated".

5. Yin and Yang can transform into one another.

At a particular stage, Yin can transform into Yang and vice versa. For example, night changes into day; warmth cools; life changes to death. However this transformation is relative too. Night and day coexist on Earth at the same time when shown from space.

6. Part of Yin is in Yang and part of Yang is in Yin.

The dots in each serve:
  1. as a reminder that there are always traces of one in the other. For example, there is always light within the dark (e.g., the stars at night); these qualities are never completely one or the other.
  2. as a reminder that absolute extreme side transforms instantly into the opposite, or that the labels Yin and Yang are conditioned by an observer's point of view. For example, the hardest stone is easiest to break. This can show that absolute discrimination between the two is artificial.

 

 
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November 5, 2006, 4:42 pm PST

Exactly

Quote From: elffie

I think that's what Witchysybil is saying.  Duality, you can't divide these subjects because they are in each of us, some more than others.  This is what I believe atleat, I can't speak for Witchysybil, but I do believe that in men there are feminine aspects, and in women there are male aspects.

 

To be honest I haven't been reading all of the posts, just stopped by and saw this one.  I'm doing a fly by posting. LOL 

 

Hope everyone is doing well.

 

 

That was deifianantly the point I was trying to get across.

At least someone can understand what I type... LOL

Just picken guys...

 

Just popped in trying to catch up on the post .

 

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