Topic : Debating Among Different Religious Beliefs

Quote From: julie1418

1)So why do you think that I need consider the validity of an IQ test?  What makes you think that I wouldn't? 

 

Which question would you like me to answer? They are rather contradictory. Do you understand the term validity as it applies to statistical research? Did you bother to learn about Multiple Intelligences? That would help you understand the question of validity as it applies to measuring intelligence via an IQ test.

 

2)Well, a man can look at this study and see that, if he scored more than 125 on an IQ test, than there would be only half as many woman that scored as high as he did.

 

Turk, if you find yourself in the top two percent of IQ, then I guess maybe you could say you are smarter than 98% of men and 99% of women. If that strokes a fragile male ego, I can live with that one!

 

3)There are ways to improve or decrease an IQ score or potential, but those ways are availible to both men and women. 

 

Not necessarily. That's what I meant by social factors. Even today, males are more encouraged to aggressively pursue high academics and noteworthy careers. There have been studies (yes, more studies) that show that even female teachers who consider themselves to be unbiased, or even feminist, tend to call on boys more than girls. There is a socialization that we are not even consciously aware of.

 

We have come a long way. When my mother graduated from school. women who wanted to pursue higher education basically had three choices - teacher, nurse, secretary. So biases towards women have been around for a long time and we are slowly overcoming them, but we are not there yet. So, NO, we do not have completely equal opportunity to compete in this area.

 

 

Yeah, I read a similar study, it said that most of those women are also much more likely to be cheaters as well.  Does that mean I should stay away from succesful business women?

 

I'm thinking that dealing with a barrage of intelligent, successful women is NOT going to a issue for you - at present.

Quote From: turkalurk

Again, I think you gals are misinterpreting the yin/yang.  A person has both sides of the duality in him. We are both intellectual and emotional.  Actually, the yin/yang isn't a static circle divided in two.  It is a dynamic swirl constantly changing from one into the other.  The energy of the yin is constantly changing into yang as yang is changing into yin. 

Quote From: turkalurk

Wow, resorting to insults now huh?  Well, the first question is not contradictory.  You assumed I needed to consider the validity of an IQ test.  I wasn't asking why a person should, but was asking what made you think that I didn't or don't consider the validity of IQ tests.  You seem to assume alot of things about me don't you Julie.  So what are you implying when you say that dealing with intellegent, successful women is not going to be an issue for me.  Do you think all intellegent successful women are going to share the same opinion as you.  A person that has never even met me and has no idea what kind of person I am. 

Quote From: turkalurk

No, I wasn't the one who said god had either side.  I don't believe god is either male nor female.  I don't believe in a god with any attributes.  I am a naturalist who thinks of god as the totality of existence.  I am also agnostic because I think that there are lots of valid questions that have some good answers that can't be proven.  What I am saying is that yin and yang isn't used in the way you guys are trying to describe it.  At least that I know of.  The study was just to validate

 why intellect should go on the male side.  That doesn't mean that women are all emotional and men are all masculine.  I think to say that shows that you know little about the philosophy you speak of, which is completely understandable.  Here is what the encyclopedia says about it.  Maybe that will get the point across.  Personally, I would have never chose to call it the male/intellectual side or the female/emotional side.  It leads to misinterpretation if you are speaking to someone unfamiliar with that philosophy. 

 

 

The concepts of Yin and Yang originate in ancient Chinese philosophy and metaphysics, which describes two primal opposing but complementary forces found in all things in the universe. Yin (Chinese: /; pinyin: yn; literally "shady place, north slope (hill), south bank (river); cloudy, overcast") is the darker element; it is sad, passive, dark, feminine, downward-seeking, and corresponds to the night. Yang (/; yáng; "sunny place, south slope (hill), north bank (river); sunshine") is the brighter element; it is happy, active, light, masculine, upward-seeking and corresponds to the day. Yin is often symbolized by water, while Yang is symbolized by fire.

Yin (feminine, dark, passive force) and Yang (masculine, bright, active force) are descriptions of complementary opposites rather than absolutes. Any Yin/Yang dichotomy can be seen as its opposite when viewed from another perspective. The categorisation is seen as one of convenience. Most forces in nature can be seen as having Yin and Yang states, and the two are usually in movement rather than held in absolute stasis.

[edit Summary of Yin and Yang concepts

Everything can be described as both Yin and Yang.

1. Yin and Yang are not opposites.

Everything has its oppositealthough this is never absolute, only relative. No one thing is completely Yin or completely Yang. Each contains the seed of its opposite. For example, winter can turn into summer; "what goes up must come down".

2. Yin and Yang are interdependent.

One cannot exist without the other. For example, day cannot exist without night. Light cannot exist without darkness.

3. Yin and Yang can be further subdivided into Yin and Yang.

Any Yin or Yang aspect can be further subdivided into Yin and Yang. For example, temperature can be seen as either hot or cold. However, hot can be further divided into warm or burning; cold into cool or icy. Within each spectrum, there is a smaller spectrum; every beginning is a moment in time, and has a beginning and end, just as every hour has a beginning and end.

4. Yin and Yang consume and support each other.

Yin and Yang are usually held in balanceas one increases, the other decreases. However, imbalances can occur. There are four possible imbalances: Excess Yin, excess Yang, Yin deficiency, and Yang deficiency. They can again be seen as a pair: by excess of Yin there is a Yang deficiency and vice versa. The imbalance is also a relative factor: the excess of Yang "forces" Yin to be more "concentrated".

5. Yin and Yang can transform into one another.

At a particular stage, Yin can transform into Yang and vice versa. For example, night changes into day; warmth cools; life changes to death. However this transformation is relative too. Night and day coexist on Earth at the same time when shown from space.

6. Part of Yin is in Yang and part of Yang is in Yin.

The dots in each serve:

1. as a reminder that there are always traces of one in the other. For example, there is always light within the dark (e.g., the stars at night); these qualities are never completely one or the other.
2. as a reminder that absolute extreme side transforms instantly into the opposite, or that the labels Yin and Yang are conditioned by an observer's point of view. For example, the hardest stone is easiest to break. This can show that absolute discrimination between the two is artificial.

 

Quote From: witchysybil

I sure wouldn't want a man that wasn't very emotional.

How can you divide these?

We should all have both in us and both should be apart of everyones lives at all time.  You don't want emotion without intelligence on how to control it,  just as you....or at least I....wouldn't want intelligence without emotion in there, its another part of balance.

Quote From: turkalurk

Wow, resorting to insults now huh?  Well, the first question is not contradictory.  You assumed I needed to consider the validity of an IQ test.  I wasn't asking why a person should, but was asking what made you think that I didn't or don't consider the validity of IQ tests.  You seem to assume alot of things about me don't you Julie.  So what are you implying when you say that dealing with intellegent, successful women is not going to be an issue for me.  Do you think all intellegent successful women are going to share the same opinion as you.  A person that has never even met me and has no idea what kind of person I am. 

Quote From: julie1418

Cheryl, I do understand that as a Christian who believes in a literal translation of the Bible, Paganism is not a good thing FOR YOU. It goes against YOUR religious beliefs. But that is different than people getting all upset that holidays have Pagan roots, as if Paganism is evil. I'm not upset about Hanukkah even though I'm not Jewish. Are you?

 

I also read the first commandment a bit differently. I don't think it so much about belonging to the wrong religion. It can be much more subtle than that, and it is something all of us, myself very much included, struggle with. I think we often honor false gods of money, pride, vanity, vengeance, power, etc. I think these "false gods" are much more dangerous than worshiping the beauty of God's creations. And they are much more insidious as we can easily convince ourselves that we are Christians and obeying the commandments, when in actuality, we are failing to examine our own souls and our own behaviors.

 

My thought go deeper than I have the words for at present. I may come back to this. Maybe you can provoke me a bit - smile.