Topic : Debating Among Different Religious Beliefs

So Annie !

Charise posed the question if the earth is fighting back to save itself from us (humans), with so many natural disasters occurring and such.  What do ya think?

I'm inclined to believe it to some degree but am open to different opinions.  It would seem if the earth is doing this then it has a soul of some sort or/and some sort of intelligence. 

if we keep this up, we may not be selected to go on.

This is very true no matter how you look at it or what your beliefs are.  I think the end of life, as we know it, is near and I believe it's humans that are causing their own destruction as you implied.

When I say "near" I don't mean within the next 100 years or even 500.  But, when you consider how old the earth is that even 2000 years from now would be soon.  However, I don't think it will even take that long for humans to see some grave consequences from our effect on this planet.  We already see global warming and research has taught us how we are a direct cause of it) and how it's effecting certain areas and some of the marine life.  I wonder what is next?

Although I'm a believer in a "higher power", I don't think even he/she can stop this from happening or would even want to for that matter.  We have a beautiful planet and we are destroying it every day.  Why would an entity that perhaps created all this (supposedly for us) interfere with our destruction of it?  Just so that we could continue on in our selfish and oblivious extermination of ourselves?

Can you not see that death can be a sacrifice. In the military men or women would sacrifice their lives so that their buddies/friends could live.

And death was not erased.... Its still here people die everyday. His resurrection did not erase it..... When he died....... to be resurrected he had to first conquer/defeat death itself. He did this with his father's power and his faith without them he would have failed. In a sense Jesus sacrificed his life so we could live.

 In a sense Jesus sacrificed his life so we could live.

But we don't "live", we live for a while but eventually we die.  According to Christianity, Jesus was resurrected so in actuality He didn't sacrifice his life because he was "resurrected".  He supposedly died for us but according to gospel heaven is supposed to be a wonderful place, much better then the struggles and pain of earth.  So what did he "sacrifice"?  God didn't sacrifice "his son", his son is back with him....or a part of him again......

Now, I will concede that he died a "terrible" death.  However, a lot of people die a terrible death so it isn't like no one ever died as terrible a death as he did.  Some people have died a much worse death, some folks linger in pain for years before they are "granted" the peace of death. 

So Christ died for our sins, so as long as we believe in him we'll go to heaven even if we sinned, according to Christianity.  However, I don't see it so much as a sacrifice of God to give us his only son, because he didn't, Jesus is back with God and all is well.  ....and God knew all along this is how it would come down because according to Christianity...God is all powerful and all knowing.

So, for folks to say that God gave us his only son, or sacrificed his only son isn't right.  I would be more inclined to believe that Jesus came to earth to teach.  I believe that all this sacrifice stuff is nonsense because we all die, Jesus would have eventually died anyway because he was human.  Also, just like the rest of us, his death may have been peaceful or it may have been terrible or something in between.

If one is to believe that God "sacrificed" his only son, then one would have to believe we are sacrificed when we die whether we go to heaven or not.

I believe you just over looked something......

To be resurrected you have to die........ but, also you've got to overcome death itself.

Can I ask a question what do you call a sacrifice?? Jesus sacrificed his life in exchenge for ours....

I can name a few men and women who sacrificed their life so their friends could live another day. Ingraved in stone at Iwo Jima there were these lines

"When you go home

Tell them and say

For your tomorrow

We gave our today"

They are no longer "alive" they're dead how they're spirit lives on...... as well as the memories they made with others. Like a willing soldier will to lay down his life at a moments notice to let a child live and one day taste what so many long for....... Freedom.

Pain....... mm.....many people if not everyone are in pain. The pain Jesus went through is unimaginible..... First he was beaten by the roman soldiers... In that time he could have already had a broken bone. next he was whipped...... not just normal.. the Cat-of-nine-tails was used it had bone shards, broken glass, metal anything sharp. tearing and ripping his flesh off of his body. After which he was nailed to the cross..... his legs broken to speed up his death..... even then they still had to stab his side...... I think terrible is an understatement. Also people are not granted death.... Each and every person dies depending on te curumstances/conditions they are under.

How about kids that aren't even born yet, how about for a Catholic, a Muslim, a terrorist, someone you have never and will never meet ?  How about those children you see on TV starving ?  Jesus gave his life for Everyone

All of those children are not my children......however they are God's children according to scripture.  So first you ask me if I would die the way Jesus did for my child, yes I would........ then you mention other children, they are not my children but, according to scripture, they are God's.

So according to the bible, Jesus didn't die for people that were not his children, because all people were his children,.

Pain....... mm.....many people if not everyone are in pain. The pain Jesus went through is unimaginable..... First he was beaten by the roman soldiers... In that time he could have already had a broken bone. next he was whipped...... not just normal.. the Cat-of-nine-tails was used it had bone shards, broken glass, metal anything sharp. tearing and ripping his flesh off of his body. After which he was nailed to the cross..... his legs broken to speed up his death..... even then they still had to stab his side...... I think terrible is an understatement. Also people are not granted death.... Each and every person dies depending on te curumstances/conditions they are under.

Uh,.....yeah.  I saw the movie too.

You have no idea how much pain some people go through before they die.  Some starve for weeks and months, getting only enough food to sustain life for a little longer and prolonging their misery.  To say that Jesus suffered the most of any human being on earth ever did is absurd.  Yes, he suffered, but then he was with God, according to Scripture, and all was well.

Is not heaven supposed to be so much better then earth?  If someone gives up their life, for whatever reason, how is going to heaven sacrificing?  You're simply exchanging a not so great existence for a much better one.....according to the bible.

Certainly, soldiers going to war are sacrificing their lives for their country, however, if they are Christians and believe in the bible they are going to something much better then life here on earth. 

I am not saying Jesus didn't sacrifice his life but it's kind of like me saying I'll sacrifice this last quarter, I have now, and in three days I get a million dollars.  However, God sacrificed nothing, he didn't give up his only son for us, Jesus is with him now and a part of him still.........or not?  Can't have it both ways.

Sarge,

The mother and father are you made me they are my god and goddess.  they are on the other side together.  They watch over me and my family.  They are the ones I pray to.  When I need strength I pray to the father for he is more like man,  and when I need help with my children I pray to the mother for she is the mother to all.

I hope you can understand