Topic : Debating Among Different Religious Beliefs

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The purpose of this board is to debate your views about a particular religion or belief. I understand Religion is a touchy subject, but this board is designed for you to ask questions as well as present arguments for your particular Religion or belief.

 

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May 10, 2008, 7:57 am PDT

Debating Among Different Religious Beliefs

Quote From: momisme2

Is this you posting  "gobbily gook" Chris?  Or did you have some major issues with posting?  LOL!   :)

Well I did have problems with posting.  I would post and it wouldn't be there, so I tried again, and again, still nothing.  Then all of a sudden there were 5 of the same posts.  I guess there was a delay.  Sorry, LOL

 

I don't know what "gobbily gook" is, I'm not an expert in that, oh wait, but I know who is.

 
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May 10, 2008, 8:01 am PDT

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Quote From: numba1

Here are a few of the reasons I think Christianity is false. Note that some of these apply only to rabid fundamentalist versions of Christianity, while others are more general. — RWD 

  

Neurophysiology makes a strong case for the non-existence of anything like an immaterial soul. If personality resides in the soul, then how can drugs and brain damage affect it? 

  

What is it that makes people believe in God at all? It seems to me that gods were invented by men to explain things they didn't understand. But we understand a lot more today (though of course the frontiers of science are always speculative). Given that it's impossible to have an explanation for everything (because then that explanation would demand another explanation — "But Mommy, why is it that way?"), why not just take the universe as we find it, rather than positing some incredibly complex cause for which we have no evidence? 

  

Science has shown the stories of creation and the flood to be false. (See the talk.origins FAQs.) I'm aware that many Christians have no problem accepting evolution, but for me it demolishes the most important argument for the existence of God. Not to mention the verbal, plenary inspiration of the Bible. 

  

Why was "demon-possession" so common in Jesus' time, but hardly mentioned at all in the Old Testament, and apparently non-existent today? Modern medicine seems to have transformed demons into things like epilepsy and schizophrenia. 

  

There is no justification for eternal torture in hell. Unremitting revenge debases those who practice it. (I have no problem with God snuffing people out of existence, but hell as described in the Bible is sadism.) 

  

How can people be happy in heaven with loved ones in hell? Some say that God will take away their memories, but there are at least three problems with this: (1) this would be a huge violation of our rights; (2) by so doing God would tacitly admit that hell is wrong; and (3) in the story of the rich man and Lazarus, everyone's memories were intact. 

  

Christianity asserts that more than 50% of the people in the world will go to hell. ("Strait is the gate, and narrow is the way that leadeth unto salvation, and few there be that find it.") This belief is morally repugnant. Surely an all-powerful God could have set up something different. 

  

In the Old Testament, God ordered the genocide of the Canaanites, including infants. (In some cases he allowed them to keep the young virgin women alive — Numbers 31:17-18.) How can this be reconciled with the idea of a just and merciful God? 

  

The Bible does not plainly and unambiguously tell us the single most important thing we supposedly have to know: how to be saved. As evidence, I submit the many Christian sects which disagree heatedly on this point. In one place it says, "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved." In another, it says, "Faith without works is dead." A few sects believe that if you're not baptized you'll go to hell. 

  

The plan of redemption makes no sense. There are several theories about why Christ had to die, and all of them are unintelligible. 

  

The stories of the resurrection are not consistent. 

  

It is unfair that some people (Thomas, for example) should get convincing physical proof of miracles while the rest of us are supposed to believe on hearsay. 

  

Why did God design the world so that some animals have to eat meat? Why did he create parasites? Why do innocent animals suffer? 

  

Why did God create so many species only to allow most of them to become extinct before man even existed? 

  

Matt. 16:27-28: "For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works. Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom." Jesus thought the end of the world was coming within one generation. 

  

There is no good reason to believe the canonical books of the Bible while rejecting the apocrypha.  

  

The canon was only gradually agreed upon, and finally formalized by a vote. Early church fathers quoted extensively from apocrypha. 

  

Most people believe the religion of their parents. If one and only one religion is true, why did God not make it obvious to all nations alike? 

  

Even if there is a creator of the universe, why does he want to be worshipped? God is an egomaniac? 

  

If God wanted us to have free will, why does he threaten us with hell? It isn't free will if you've got a gun at your head. 

  

Romans 9:15-23 says that God deliberately causes sinners to sin. (For instance, he hardened Pharoah's heart.) 

  

There is evidence inside the Bible itself that much of the Old Testament was not written until the time of Josiah. (II Kings 22:8+, in which the book of the law is conveniently "found" in the temple, and contains some laws that apparently nobody had ever heard of before). 

So, are you saying that Rich Daniel and Bertrand Russell have summed up your personal beliefs on God?  If so, that's OK but why is it questioned when someone else chooses to believe the Bible?  Each of us (Christian or not) finds something or someone to help us with challenges in life.  Some find God, others don't.  True, none of us know for sure if heaven/hell exists but personally I am too chicken to risk hell.  Also, the core of Christianity preaches good to all men which in my family has served us well.  Your ways serve you well....to each his own. 

 

I am a Christian and find your posts interesting and amusing.  Of course, I could (with help from my hubby and my Bible) tear apart each an every paragraph you have put forth.  You see, my hubby was an atheist  for many years and many of these arguments are ones he adopted before finding Christ.  It's interesting how the same passages and arguments never really change....makes you think.  I see some of your points but I can argue them as well.  True, I am not as "versed" in the Bible passages as you seem to be but I know what works in my life. 

 

To end, (due to time...I am so busy) you sound very happy (or not) in your beliefs and that's great. 

 
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May 10, 2008, 8:31 am PDT

Debating Among Different Religious Beliefs

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So, are you saying that Rich Daniel and Bertrand Russell have summed up your personal beliefs on God?  If so, that's OK but why is it questioned when someone else chooses to believe the Bible?  Each of us (Christian or not) finds something or someone to help us with challenges in life.  Some find God, others don't.  True, none of us know for sure if heaven/hell exists but personally I am too chicken to risk hell.  Also, the core of Christianity preaches good to all men which in my family has served us well.  Your ways serve you well....to each his own. 

 

I am a Christian and find your posts interesting and amusing.  Of course, I could (with help from my hubby and my Bible) tear apart each an every paragraph you have put forth.  You see, my hubby was an atheist  for many years and many of these arguments are ones he adopted before finding Christ.  It's interesting how the same passages and arguments never really change....makes you think.  I see some of your points but I can argue them as well.  True, I am not as "versed" in the Bible passages as you seem to be but I know what works in my life. 

 

To end, (due to time...I am so busy) you sound very happy (or not) in your beliefs and that's great. 

Hello there,

 

Welcome to the board. the post you replied to hasn't been on in the whole time I have been here.

 

We are a great group of people and are always looking for someone new to join.

 

My name is Charise, I am sahm to two boys and another one in nov.  I am married to a great man in the army who is due to deploy next month, his name is Jon.  He is a christian, and for many years was a chaplian asst. and looks forward to being a chaplian in the future.  I am a pagan.  I study all kinds of faiths and what speaks to becomes part of it.

 

I hope that you feel welcomed and I hope that you stick around and get to know us.  there are many different christians on this board and we all welcome you.

 
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May 10, 2008, 9:14 am PDT

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Quote From: momisme2

Including Sug I meant to say that makes 4 of us.

I gotta run!  Hope you all have a nice day!  :)
I guess that would make 5 of us. Our dog Mnady is 10 and starting to have a hesitation with stairs. She'a Border Collie mix and still has lots of energy through the day but is slowing some.  I dread her getting olderer tho'
 
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May 10, 2008, 9:17 am PDT

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Quote From: kschmittz

So, are you saying that Rich Daniel and Bertrand Russell have summed up your personal beliefs on God?  If so, that's OK but why is it questioned when someone else chooses to believe the Bible?  Each of us (Christian or not) finds something or someone to help us with challenges in life.  Some find God, others don't.  True, none of us know for sure if heaven/hell exists but personally I am too chicken to risk hell.  Also, the core of Christianity preaches good to all men which in my family has served us well.  Your ways serve you well....to each his own. 

 

I am a Christian and find your posts interesting and amusing.  Of course, I could (with help from my hubby and my Bible) tear apart each an every paragraph you have put forth.  You see, my hubby was an atheist  for many years and many of these arguments are ones he adopted before finding Christ.  It's interesting how the same passages and arguments never really change....makes you think.  I see some of your points but I can argue them as well.  True, I am not as "versed" in the Bible passages as you seem to be but I know what works in my life. 

 

To end, (due to time...I am so busy) you sound very happy (or not) in your beliefs and that's great. 

Wow I near had a coronary when I read this post from Numba1?!?!?!?

 

Welcome Kira, this board can get a bit harried at times....yet generally we tend to play nice.   =)

 

Sheesh, Numba1 has any of his posts left standing???  There were some vedy vedy interesting ones I must say...they have been launched into cyberspace.  Which is a very good thing.  As those were the days I tell ya!

 

Anyhoo....I'm still reading back,  I DO see that a few posts from last evening hit the launch pad as well?

 

Not surprising to me tho.

 

 

Have a great day.

 

<3

 

Fredi

 

 

 
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May 10, 2008, 9:19 am PDT

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Quote From: momisme2

Oh!  Guess ive already told this story!  LOL

Yes, the teacher took my son in a closet with her, and  in my sons words, "Was holding her Bible like she was weilding a sword", (LMAO) and told him that she had been told by God that if he didnt accept Jesus into his heart right that very minute, he would lead a miserable life only to be sentenced to hell for all eternity.

My son, ever stubbornly defiant(just dont know WHERE he gets THAT from :P  tehe ;) absolutley refused and told her, "I already have Jesus and God in my heart and WILL NOT do what you say!" 

When I heard about that, I pulled him outta that school faster than you can bat an eyelash.  LOL 
Wow, just that fact that she pulled your son into a closet with her took a lot of stupidity Then,  to threaten a child!?!  Where did they find her, under a rock?
 
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May 10, 2008, 9:22 am PDT

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Wow I near had a coronary when I read this post from Numba1?!?!?!?

 

Welcome Kira, this board can get a bit harried at times....yet generally we tend to play nice.   =)

 

Sheesh, Numba1 has any of his posts left standing???  There were some vedy vedy interesting ones I must say...they have been launched into cyberspace.  Which is a very good thing.  As those were the days I tell ya!

 

Anyhoo....I'm still reading back,  I DO see that a few posts from last evening hit the launch pad as well?

 

Not surprising to me tho.

 

 

Have a great day.

 

<3

 

Fredi

 

 

HI fredi!!!

 

 

 
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May 10, 2008, 9:24 am PDT

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Wow, just that fact that she pulled your son into a closet with her took a lot of stupidity Then,  to threaten a child!?!  Where did they find her, under a rock?
hey freary (sp) how are you.
 
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May 10, 2008, 9:25 am PDT

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I guess that would make 5 of us. Our dog Mnady is 10 and starting to have a hesitation with stairs. She'a Border Collie mix and still has lots of energy through the day but is slowing some.  I dread her getting olderer tho'

Hey there Cammi!

 

I had to have my precious little Shitsu Oliver put down about 8 years ago.  Poor lil fella lost his bladder function and started in renal failure.   =(

 

As much as it broke my heart, I just HAD to do it as he was in such tremendous pain.  I held him the entire time at the Vets and snuggled with him and talked to him in my *doggie voice* you know all up beat "what a GOOD GOOD boy you are!  Mommy LOVES you so much!!!"  etc.

 

The vet asked if I was ready I said yes, and BAM he just flopped into my shoulder immediately.  No pain, no nothing, he didn't know what hit him.

 

Sigh....I do know why they have you pay up front, as I was a HUGE blubbering mess right after.  Still I wanted to hold him and have him filled with praise and love at the very end.  I don't regret it for a minute.

 

<3

 

Fredi

 

 

 
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May 10, 2008, 9:27 am PDT

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HI fredi!!!

 

 

Hey Charise,

 

How is the resident preggy-poo feeling today?    =)

 

 

<3

 

Fredi

 

 

 

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