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(Original Air Date: 05/01/06) Dr. Phil’s guests say they fight so much that fighting has become the only way they know how to communicate. But is there a right and wrong way to fight? Kim admits that she’s a screamer who often uses profanity in front of their kids. Her husband, Mike, says he’s a cerebral fighter who retaliates by calling her “mental” and “psycho.” Kim has reached such a boiling point that when she goes at it with her spouse, she throws the phone and smashes up picture frames! Can this couple learn to put down the gloves and call a truce? Then, Belinda’s screaming and hitting caused her husband, Gerald, to move across the country just to get away from her. Cameras caught the chaos when Gerald returned home in an effort to sort out their issues. Will reconciling with Belinda be the biggest mistake of his life? If you’re a feuding couple, don’t miss Dr. Phil’s Rules for Fighting Fair and talk about the show here.

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July 27, 2006, 4:00 pm PDT

07/27 Fighting Styles

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 The thing with the labels is exactly like the movie-sleeping with the enemy.  It was with Julia Roberts.  She was in a controlling marriage.  He demanded the labels be lined up, the bathroom towels be lined up, and all kinds of crazy controlling things!!  Best be careful there!!  Julia ran, quickly from that man!!

I also thought about the movie, 'Sleeping With The Enemy', when the wife talked about the labels in the kitchen having to all face front.  He is very controlling, demeaning, and definitely has diarrhea of the mouth and the brain.  To be a father and a husband - someone who has to set an example for his children, to be part of the foundation of their lives - his wife being the other part ...I am just shaking my head in disbelief.  I agree with one of the other messages that was posted on here that read that he is very insecure so he wants to bring his wife as far down as possible, keep her down and hopefully then feel better about himself.  He is lucky that she went on Dr. Phil to get help for the both of them.  I would have told this guy to get out and be sure to let the door smack him in the behind.  It hurt to see them fighting in front of the kids.  For their own child to have to tell them both to stop was, 'Wow'.  It definitely made a difference for him to see his actions on tape, on Dr. Phil, 'in his face'...I hope that Dr. Phil got through to this guy. 

  

I live in Ohio, and he looks like a guy that I was talking to on Match.com named Mike, back in November 2005, who was also annoying and wouldn't stop talking. They could be twins.  

 
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July 27, 2006, 4:22 pm PDT

07/27 Fighting Styles

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Looking at these shows over the past few months I have seen it over and over, and I hope there are women who are in these situations at home, and those on the shows who will  be able to get some distance and see what is happening. These men aren't always just arguing, they are acting in an argumentative style to get certain things 'on the record' on camera. They do it by saying things to their own family members to set the stage for a  custody battle, where they can claim "she" is crazy, unfit, insane, irrational, whichever term they like to undermine her.    

   

And in todays case, I swear I can see this man setting this woman up for a murder-where he claims she was irrational and abusive to lil ole him, and he had to "defend" himself. The most frightening thing about this particular couple to me, is that he also has gambling debts. Her life insurance payout sure sounds like a potential motive to me. Men who kill thier wives, and we're seeing much more of it, than we could have imagined 30 yrs ago think at certain moments that murder will fix things.    

   

Thank Goodness Dr. Phil does these shows, maybe people can begin to see that working through problems is not all that bad. It's do-able, and even if the parties don't stay together, they can still come to a working arrangement where other painful and non productive behaviors can be replaced.   

   

But again, young women should listen up and take notes, cause some of this arguing isn't everything it seems-it's likely much more sinister.   

That is so true....1st make her look unfit to his family, then, go on national t.v. to do the same.   

  

The news kept breaking in to the show today here in Ohio because some cities are experiencing heavy rain, so I missed parts of it, but I remember about his wife mentioning his gambling debts...that is so incredibly not good.  That's true..kill her and use her life insurance policy to pay off his gambling debts and use the lies of self defense because he has already begun to set it up saying that she is psycho and unfit.  When she brought it up about the negative and untrue things that he says to his family about her, he didn't deny it or have alot to say in his defense about it. 

  

If you take it in that direction, I can totally see it...it is a very crazy and scary thought, but it happens soo much now. 

  

I can only hope that Dr. Phil truly go through to him and that Mike's tears were real. 

  

  

 
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July 27, 2006, 4:24 pm PDT

OK Here's one for you

My husband and I definitely have fighting history.  We were each other's first love back in high school, split for many years and wound up back together.  We both are controlling people and have made many steps forward in growing out of old behaviors.  So now we are all grown up and parents of a 2 year old.  The thing is, my husband is a drill instructor for the US Marines.  I find his controlling behavior increasing more and more. I know he is stressed. He works ungodly hours and is basically sleeping when he is around. He has had this job for about a year and half now, so for that time, I have been mother, father, homemaker and everything else in between.  So needless to say, being with a toddler 24/7 without any help can lead to some stress as well.  I do the best I can and love my daughter more than anything in this world.  My husband will come home and sometimes treat not only myself but our daughter like one of his recruits.  When I intervene, it becomes a war.  I explain to him that I am the one here and he cannot just decide to make BIG changes without discussing it first.  We get nowhere.  He'll say he understands, and then we'll have the same argument a week later.  I've explained to him that I really can use a break, but instead I get grief for not doing things correctly.  Then I find myself actually finding it easier when he's not around.  HOW HORRIBLE IS THAT?  I see his family come out of him as well as him bringing drill instructor mode home.  See, he comes from a family of dysfunction.  And I don't mean the "normal" dysfunction all of us have. I'm talking about "Jerry Springer" dysfunction.  Joining the military was the best thing he could have done in his life by getting away from the chaos.  But now that he's a father, I can see him doing the same things his family did to him. If I even try to dance around this subject, not to mention hit it head on, his feelings get hurt and he gets defensive and angry.     

   

So here we go.  I am all for counseling.  He's on call 7 days a week. Any real "couples" counseling would not be able to start for at least another year and a half.  Then, Dr. Phil says don't be the victim. I find myself tolerating things because it will only be worse if I don't.  Don't fight in the heat of the moment and find a time when you're both calmed down to "talk".  When I see him, he's either trying to catch up on tasks or sleeping.  If I try to "talk" he's so defensive, the fight starts all over. I'm sure almost any mother can agree, she will do anything to protect her child.  I draw the line when it comes to what I believe to be best for our child.  Any suggestions would be appreciated on how to get through at least the next year or so,,,,,     

 
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July 27, 2006, 4:29 pm PDT

To Kim and husband Mike

Mike for you to expect your wife Kim to do such things as have every item on shelves and in cupboards facing forward so you can see them.  That tells others how low you think of her,  and that is wrong.  You shouldn't have a problem looking in a cupboard or a shelf for an item.  That just says your the spoiled lazy man who has been not taught how to do for himself.  Why should she have to line things up so you can have it easier.  Her priority is to your childr and too herself.  Because if she relied on you to care for her it would never ever happen.  Mike you need a clue,  you need to stop thinking that she has to be perfect.  No human is perfect.  Kim like me you have a tendency to be loud, because you feel he don't hear you.  and he doesn't care.   You need to know if you both don't get help with your anger your going to finally hurt Mike physically,  just like you say you are feeling when he is hurting your heart. 

 
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July 27, 2006, 5:39 pm PDT

fighting styles

 mr gerald has done something or is doing lots of things to make her act like a complete fool. men love to see us women belittle our selves for them and than tell friends, family, and the woman he is cheating on us with that we are crazy. there is alot more to this story i bet. did he meet her through cheating? did he tell a whole bunch of lies to get her?? are her hands dirty as well?? listen up ladies the way you get a man is the way you lose him. when you go into a relationship filled with deceit and lies it will end that way. one of you could have clean hands but if your partner does not he or she will make you unclean too.
 
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July 27, 2006, 5:41 pm PDT

In the Mitts

When i was watching the show today i felt like they were talking about me! My fiance and i have been together for almost 4 years and have a 15 month old daughter and one on the way. Will we have always had some issues but i always feel as is we fight about them and never solve any of them. Right now were not living together because since May he has been unemployed and sleeping on a friends sofa. And i could understand this if he didn't have a car or some other excuse. But he has none other them he just doesn't feel like it. It hurts me so much because he is suppose to be there for me and my daughter. and its like hes baling on us. Well to the fighting. Since i see him rarely now because i make next to nothing and am the sol provider  for my daughter. Every time we do see each other i always get on him about getting a job so he doesnt have to  bonce from friend to friend and could actually live with his family. And it always turns in to a screaming, name calling match. Which some of what my daughter hears, but i have been trying to compose myself and defuse things when she is there. Hes the one that always throws names and is so content on blasting me. Well i have pretty much had all i can take and haven't talk to him in about a week now. Its just hard because I'm in a very lonely spot right now and he dosn't even care. I keep hoping he will come around. But i cant take the petty fighting over the dumbest things right now. I don't have it in me to fight with him anymore. I just always think its my fault that its like this. And i know its not, its just easier to blame myself, then to fight with him. I feel defeated and very alone.   

 
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July 27, 2006, 5:44 pm PDT

If it were me...

Mike's diaper comment really stood out as a low blow.  Why couldn't he just change the diaper? Noooooooooo....he had to take it as an opportunity  to belittle Kim AND leave the poor kid sitting in a soiled diaper!     

   

If I were Kim, I would have marched in and said "Sorry, sweetie, but Mommy's trying to conserve on diaper expenses, becauses Daddy's p*ssing away all our money with his awful, nasty gambling habit."  Then, I'd  find a *great* place to stick that poopy pamper.   

   

   

   

   

   

 
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July 27, 2006, 5:55 pm PDT

Fighting over cleaning duties

 My husband doesn't like to cleanup after himself.  For example: leaves garbage out, doesn't empty the garbage even if it is full, leaves partially fill coffee cups or dirty dishes that never make it to the dishwasher, or he is so lazy that sometimes he leaves urine in a bottle that he keeps by his bed.  I know this is what he learned while he was growing up as his mom did not keep the house clean.  I can understand why it happens.  What I can't stand is the unwillingness to keep the house tidy!  When asked nicely he says he'll do it tomorrow but tomorrow comes in about 2 weeks or whenever he feels like it.  Or if I get mad and yell at him he calls me a big nag and tells me to go visit my mom and dad.  This is so annoying and frustrating that he won't clean up after himself that a lot of times I don't want to come home.  I don't want to live in this unsanitary household for myself and the kids.  He doesn't seem to see my view though.  I am just the nagging wife.
 
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July 27, 2006, 6:03 pm PDT

07/27 Fighting Styles

 Didn't anyone notice how controlling he is?  The refrigerated and cabinet labels just so.  He evidently  thinks she is a good enough mother when he goes out of town on business.  I agree that she did not show much emotion.  I also see her at the end of her tether.  I'm sorry Dr. Phil but I think you missed the boat on this one.  Granted she has a more explosive style but his lying there (on the couch) and just mouthing off really irritated me.  Of course, fighting in front of the kids is totally unacceptable.
 
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July 27, 2006, 7:18 pm PDT

can't make someone change

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When i was watching the show today i felt like they were talking about me! My fiance and i have been together for almost 4 years and have a 15 month old daughter and one on the way. Will we have always had some issues but i always feel as is we fight about them and never solve any of them. Right now were not living together because since May he has been unemployed and sleeping on a friends sofa. And i could understand this if he didn't have a car or some other excuse. But he has none other them he just doesn't feel like it. It hurts me so much because he is suppose to be there for me and my daughter. and its like hes baling on us. Well to the fighting. Since i see him rarely now because i make next to nothing and am the sol provider  for my daughter. Every time we do see each other i always get on him about getting a job so he doesnt have to  bonce from friend to friend and could actually live with his family. And it always turns in to a screaming, name calling match. Which some of what my daughter hears, but i have been trying to compose myself and defuse things when she is there. Hes the one that always throws names and is so content on blasting me. Well i have pretty much had all i can take and haven't talk to him in about a week now. Its just hard because I'm in a very lonely spot right now and he dosn't even care. I keep hoping he will come around. But i cant take the petty fighting over the dumbest things right now. I don't have it in me to fight with him anymore. I just always think its my fault that its like this. And i know its not, its just easier to blame myself, then to fight with him. I feel defeated and very alone.   

 You aren't alone.  Your child is there and needs you more than ever with the father in and out.  You cannot make this man change.  No matter how hard you try or how much you blame yourself.  And what is that about??  You aren't in charge of the decisions he makes.  He is responsible for his own actions and choices!  All you can do is the best you can for yourself and your child.  There are agencies that can help you with rent and food according to your income.  You have to keep your own spirits up so that you can raise your child as best you can.  He is going to be what he chooses to be.  Let him own that not you!  Sometimes, no matter how much you love someone, you just cannot live with them.  Do whatever is best overall for you and your child.  Be strong.  Try to stay in touch with your family and or friends that you can trust and depend on.  Best of luck to you.
 
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