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Dr. Phil shines a light on missing children. Some are taken by strangers, but more frequently a parent is the one to snatch them -- too often with terrifying results. The search for two missing girls takes a Dr. Phil investigator inside a seldom-seen religious community where worshippers live what some call "a simpler way of life." Follow this story of child abduction by a father -- now a fugitive of the law -- who is living on the run with his two daughters, while their mother desperately tries to find them. Then, imagine not seeing your children for 10 years. Your 3-year-old is now 13, your 6-year-old now drives, and your 8-year-old is graduating high school – and you’re missing it all. John Clark is living this nightmare. Find out what happened and why his ex-wife is now wanted by the FBI. Join the discussion.

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May 2, 2006, 7:29 pm PDT

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That's a crock of crap....Kids don't belong to a community...They Belong to the Mother and The Father...EQUALY...and NO COMMUNITY has the right to take them away...you sound as if you are in one of these groups so you must feel the need to justify there actions...ITS A CULT....can we all say together JIM JONES.....he murdered all that followed  him and then there's the CULT...that the Federal Government had to go in ....and the  whole house was blown to bits does that sound like a peaceful commnity....NO...any time a person tries to replace you own right and beliefs its called BRAIN WASHING!!!!!...and you say different....yes its real different to loose your children...!!!!...I hope no one has taken your don't you think thats a little cruel...These people are exactly what the BIBLE says FALSE PROFITS WILL COME IN MY NAME.......Matthew 7-15 Beware False Profits who come to you in sheep's clothing..But inwardly they are ravenous wolves... 

  

  

Let us not be so ready to jump on the next Comet out of the universe....Remember that one!!!! 

In every day life, you find crazy people...every religion, every governing body, every where you turn your head.  

I was partially brought up as a Hutterite and they are not a bunch of crackpot brainwashers. That being said, there are bad apples in all walks of life, your neighbor who you borrow sugar from could have been a child molester...  

Anyways, Hutterites are not some freakish cult, they happen to believe in communal living which of course is different from yours. They aren't control freaks, if you want to leave, you can leave, no one is ever there to stop you.  

After watching this episode both my mother and I did think that Peter knows exactly where the father and daughters are...which brings me back to what I was saying in the beginning...in every group/religion/government there is always a bad apple...  
 
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May 2, 2006, 7:32 pm PDT

What happened that drove them to leave?

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  They didn't say why he didn't talk to them in 11 years but he may have tried and they may have been very harsh to him at first as he said he was apprehensive about going to the house. My Son's case is almost a double for John's and let me tell you we have plenty of reason to stay away from his ex-wife's family.Just one example that happened to my son was after he finally tracked her father across the state of Washington from Seattle to Spokane area, and was trying to see if they were with him, the father took him to court twice and tried to have him charged with stalking. This carries a penalty of five years in prison. Thankfully he was unsuccessful but this is just the most extreme thing of the many things that was done to my son and our family because we were trying to find my sons four children. I don't know if John had any of these problems with his wife's family but seems reasonable to me that he might have had good reason to stay away from them because they weren't going to help anyway as we saw on the show.  

  

That is the entire question. And nobody except them knows what happened. The woman seems shaken, not stirred and The man is remarried and looks and acts clean, but we don't know if since he was going bankrupt if he was doing immoral things or being abusive in any way in the past. Just because he's clean don't mean he wasn't dirty. And she may have felt she had no choice because he may have threatened her and won't admit it now and she may have followed fear and ran off instead of facing what was happening and she took his threats seriously. We just don't know enough about the circumstances surrounding this or the other case. People do what they think is best, but it's all about how you handle it and balancing things for your kids' sake. Someday I know my 2 kids from a previous Dad will want to see their biological father. But I know he don't know how to be a good Dad because I know what he went through and saw what he did the same in many ways with them. They will hurt, but I know that they appreciate my honesty when I tell them the truth and I tell them they can have a better relationship with him when they are 18 because he can barely take care of himself ( he don't pay his child support and he grew up ghetto poor and with a co-dependent mom). I don't make excuses or lie. But the question of these parents becomes "what drove them to leave"?
 
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May 2, 2006, 7:55 pm PDT

Lying Grandparent!!

I am disgusted after watching the Clark man confront his ex-father-in-law on today's show.  It was embarrasing to watch this older man clearly lie about the whereabouts of this man's children and to add insult to injury, attempt at small talk with his ex-son-in-law about his parents.   I do not know the history of this couple's story, but the poor choice the fugitive mom made is wrong and extreme.  Her parents should be ashamed of themselves as they definately know where these children are.  I think some time in jail for aiding a fugitve of the law is clearly in order - I think it would "refresh"  this man's memory of his daughter's whereabouts and bring his wife out of hiding to answer to what she knows as well - What cowards these older folks are and what a cruel and heartless women this mother is.  Where is the justice??  If they clearly have the paperwork that prove that she is in contact with her parents, why can they not arrest the parents?  These children were the innocent ones, I fear that they are probably jaded to the point of no return!  Shameful!
 
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May 2, 2006, 7:55 pm PDT

05/02 Missing

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Do you mean the community in South America? Are you referring to the Mike Hari case?
No. Mr Clark said his wife had got involved with a group in South Africa.
 
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May 2, 2006, 8:02 pm PDT

both cases have people aiding and abetting

I am certain with every fiber of my being that  the gentleman from the hutterites in the first story and the  grandfather in the second story know where those missing children are.  Peter( I think this is the gentleman's name from the first story) had a lot of gall to say that the childrens mother had to meet conditions to get her children back. How dare he when he essentially told the father to run with the kids? and the father of the second case? he should get some kind of warrant for that man's phone records, because there is no way in hell he hasn't known where his grandchildren and daughter have been for the past 11 years.  Also, has any one heard anything about the Porter case? i  just read on line that the father who kidnapped the kids got 38 years for kidnapping and still refuses to tell what happened to the children.
 
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May 2, 2006, 8:36 pm PDT

accountability

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I am certain with every fiber of my being that  the gentleman from the hutterites in the first story and the  grandfather in the second story know where those missing children are.  Peter( I think this is the gentleman's name from the first story) had a lot of gall to say that the childrens mother had to meet conditions to get her children back. How dare he when he essentially told the father to run with the kids? and the father of the second case? he should get some kind of warrant for that man's phone records, because there is no way in hell he hasn't known where his grandchildren and daughter have been for the past 11 years.  Also, has any one heard anything about the Porter case? i  just read on line that the father who kidnapped the kids got 38 years for kidnapping and still refuses to tell what happened to the children.

I agree.  I find it sickening that the pastor or whatever he calls himself is not being prosecuted for aiding and abetting fellony kidnapping.  It was all I could do to watch him sit there on the show, knowing how upset that mother is, and respond to his questions with a smirk on his face.  If it were possible, I would reached through my television and smacked that smirk right off his face.  I mean we're talking about children here! 

  
 
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May 2, 2006, 8:57 pm PDT

she made him bankrupt

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That is the entire question. And nobody except them knows what happened. The woman seems shaken, not stirred and The man is remarried and looks and acts clean, but we don't know if since he was going bankrupt if he was doing immoral things or being abusive in any way in the past. Just because he's clean don't mean he wasn't dirty. And she may have felt she had no choice because he may have threatened her and won't admit it now and she may have followed fear and ran off instead of facing what was happening and she took his threats seriously. We just don't know enough about the circumstances surrounding this or the other case. People do what they think is best, but it's all about how you handle it and balancing things for your kids' sake. Someday I know my 2 kids from a previous Dad will want to see their biological father. But I know he don't know how to be a good Dad because I know what he went through and saw what he did the same in many ways with them. They will hurt, but I know that they appreciate my honesty when I tell them the truth and I tell them they can have a better relationship with him when they are 18 because he can barely take care of himself ( he don't pay his child support and he grew up ghetto poor and with a co-dependent mom). I don't make excuses or lie. But the question of these parents becomes "what drove them to leave"?
In regards to the man that remarried, it was not that he was already going bankrupt it was that when his wife left him she took all the jewlery AND cleared out their bank accounts so he had to declare bankruptcy. This was all stated in the show.
 
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May 2, 2006, 8:58 pm PDT

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In every day life, you find crazy people...every religion, every governing body, every where you turn your head.  

I was partially brought up as a Hutterite and they are not a bunch of crackpot brainwashers. That being said, there are bad apples in all walks of life, your neighbor who you borrow sugar from could have been a child molester...  

Anyways, Hutterites are not some freakish cult, they happen to believe in communal living which of course is different from yours. They aren't control freaks, if you want to leave, you can leave, no one is ever there to stop you.  

After watching this episode both my mother and I did think that Peter knows exactly where the father and daughters are...which brings me back to what I was saying in the beginning...in every group/religion/government there is always a bad apple...  

I think what the other poster was trying to say is that religion seems to foster bad apples. Intense, secretive religions ask their participants to not fully think and use reason and logic.  They feel justified in breaking the law because they believe they have an authority above the law.

Every religion believes this to a degree but, as I said before, thankfully, most religious people to go into those dangerous waters. But some do, and it seems to mostly be these fringe religions who insist on living outside normal society. They already reject everyday living of the rest of the world, it's not a far leap to decide they don't need to follow the laws either.

The human mind is POWERFUL and it can justify DISGUSTING things. Religion, especially religion like this, foster this kind of brainwashing and releif from cognitive dissonance.
 
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May 2, 2006, 8:58 pm PDT

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Does anyone have any information on the Group mention by Mr Clark on todays show that is in South Africa.
 All John Clark  said was she was spending time with a church group from South Africa. He didn't say what church group. And so far I don't know of any church groups from South Africa out here in New Mexico.

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May 2, 2006, 9:01 pm PDT

Who gets custody

 One of the reasons the Hari father got custody is because his ex -wife had suffered from severe depression and possibly some other mental illnesses.  John Clark also mentioned that his wife was unable to perform her duties as a mother due to postpartum depression.  I'm wondering if one of the reasons the mother took off with her children was because she knew he will use this tactic to convince a judge to give him custody.  I'm not justifying what she's done.  It would have been a lot smarter of her to stay and work it out.  There is no excuse for taking children away from their father.  I'm just wondering how I would feel if I'm faced with losing custody of my child(ren) due to depression.  Does anyone know what the deal is?  If a parent suffers from depression or other mental illness is the other parent automatically given priority to raise the child?  It would just seem horrible to lose your children due to something you have no control over, especially if it's something from your past.  This would definitely make me think twice about seeking help for mental illness if I needed it, just in case I would ever need to file for custody.
 
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