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Topic : 08/30 Possessive People

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Created on : Thursday, April 27, 2006, 07:11:52 pm
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(Original Air Date: 05/03/06) Claudia describes her mother, Bernice, as an "emotional, psychological vampire, sucking the life blood" out of her. She feels smothered by her mother's controlling, possessive behavior toward her and her two children, and finds herself snapping at her husband and taking it out on her kids. When Claudia and her husband, Thomas, built their new home, Bernice built a house right next door, so she could drop in at any time -- an opportunity she has taken full advantage of. Claudia says Bernice makes her feel like a terrible mother because she won't stop questioning her decisions and undermining her. If the situation doesn't change, Claudia and Thomas say they will move their family to Ireland. Bernice says her grandchildren are her life and if she loses them, she will die. What is behind Bernice's possessiveness? Is this just grandmotherly love, or is she crossing the line? Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

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May 3, 2006, 10:17 pm PDT

mom needs a life

I couldn't believe what I was seeing, and hearing from this family. My mom and I are best friends now. it wasn't always like that. But I've grown, and so has my mother. I think mom needs to get a life, maybe go play bingo, and find a new man in her life, so that her daughter can have some peace of mind.   or Mom can find herself wondering where she will spend her time when this daughter and family moves away. that is so sad. but, hey... mom.... get over your self, this is your daughters life, her kids, her husband, her house.   

 
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May 3, 2006, 10:27 pm PDT

oh wow

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      Does anyone think this Grandma ever really got the point?  She seems so desparate, like she can't even breathe by herself.  It looks like that desparate grabbing a drowning person does to the rescuer, where the rescuer has to knock them off or drown themselves.  Whew.

Your right about g-ma not getting it. but, I don't think she wanted to get it. If it wasn't about her, she didn't want to hear it. she kept on trying to point the finger back at her daughter, well, one thing is for sure, WHEN YOU POINT ONE FINGER AT SOMEONE, THERE ARE THREE POINTING BACK AT YOU. so Bernice, stop it... get a clue.  

 
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May 3, 2006, 10:44 pm PDT

FOR GRANTED!!!

Well this is my take on this topic.  I have four children and my mother lives in AZ and my husband's mother chooses not to be a part of any of our lives.  I only wish that I could have a mother living so close to me to help me out with my kids.  This Grandmother/Mother surely has issues from her past but as you see she is trying to make up for them.  Not everyone knows how to do so.......and Dr. Phil was right that this spoiled daughter allows this treatment.  And not to mention that her herself is reacting to past situations just as she expressed that she didn't appreciate that her mom was doing the same.  I certainly think that though the Mother is over bearing and intrusive that she only wants the best for all of them.  And like I said I wish that I had someone to help me with my kids and someone that loved them so much.  My husbands mother gave her children a horrible life and instead of trying to make up for it like this mother she just runs away without any kind of remorse or apology.  I think this Child needs to grow up and take control so that her mother can feel confident that she is capable.
 
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May 3, 2006, 10:58 pm PDT

Possessive Mom

I really feel it is going to be very, very, difficult for this family to overcome the issues with this    

possessive mother! You just can't teach an "old dog new tricks". Thank God my mother respects and knows boundries. The daughter is sooooo not wanting to displease her mother   

she was unable on the show to have eye contact with her mother for most of the show. The   

body language the mother had was very stoic and at the end of the show when the audience was clapping the mother was not happy and her daughter TOLD her to clap, the mother did,  

but the fact she had to be asked said to me "this is who I am!!!    

   

 In my opinion.................................MOVE ASAP.  Be strong an STAND UP don't contine to be the   

 floor mat. Remember "if you don't stand ...you will fall for anything.!   

   

 
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May 3, 2006, 11:15 pm PDT

moved to get away....

      I've been where she is, my mother was always telling me how to raise my children, where and when I could work, and what kind of work I could do. If I went for a job interview, she would tell me " Make sure they know you can't work these days or these hours" She always told me when and how to discipline my children. Even told me before I had my 3rd child that I didn't need anymore children because she couldn't handle them all. Being that she was my babysitter at the time. Her mother was controlling of her and her siblings, so I guess she figured it to be a natural thing.  I was constantly telling her to let me grow up.    

      Four years ago this last month my grandmother needed someplace to live, my husband and I took her in. At the time we only had two children, so we had the room and means to bring her into our home. About a year after she moved in with us I became pregnant, when I told my grandmother about it her first words were "How could you do that to your mother?" My mother said she was tired and how was she going to manage another baby.   

     Needless to say my mother and grandmother both love everyone of my children (3) and it wasn't until my grandmother became very ill that things got worse.  I lost my job due to leaving early to take my grandmother to the emergency room all the time. My mother also had to have bypass surgery all in the same year. It just got to be so much on me and my family that we were at eachothers throats all the time fighting about this or that. My grandmother passed away in October of 2005 due to stroke and old age (93), the family was so distant at her funeral, even my uncle wouldn't talk to us.  I couldn't take it anymore, and neither could my husband or children.  We went on vacation and found ourselves moving half way across the USA to get away from all the stress of family.  My mother's reaction to this was " You're taking my babies away from me!!"  

We've only been gone for four months, but the stress of everything also has been gone, for everyone. We are much happier and my mother is finding out that life does go on, even with us so far away.  

 
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May 3, 2006, 11:27 pm PDT

been there

I have been in your shoes where my mother was always there from morning to dark and I didn't know how to do it at the time because like you I felt guilty but, I wish I can go back and change things because she is dead now. The reason I felt guilty was because I found out she recieved AIDS from my dad having a blood transfusion. I found out a month after I met my first husband and it  put alot of pressure on us sometimes because I didn't  know how long it would be for them to enjoy our time together. She got to see all of her grandkids and my daughter was 11 months old when she died and my dad only got to see my oldest son. What I am trying to say is still make you mom understand her boundries and because the way  I turned out I didn't know how to make my own decisions and still dont. I know you dont want that. I am in my third marriage and I am still miserable because I am not happy with myself and I am asking Dr. Phill to help me to. Just also let your mother know you love her and you will always be there for each other, because life is to short and you or her wont always be there. The only thing I was thankful for is that she did not drink. I know its hard to handle but she is doing it out of love to and I wish you the best of luck.
 
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May 3, 2006, 11:49 pm PDT

I Feel Better Now

Claudia's and Bernice's relationship remind me a lot of my relationship with my mother... um... what my relationship with her used to be I should say.  Even though my mother never lived next door, had a key to my house, or a problem with alcohol, we did have the same issues about her respecting my ability to chart my own course through life as well of that of my children.  I shouted and yelled just like Claudia.  The difference is that my mom would back off for awhile, but then come up with a new way of overstepping my boundaries.  On the occasions that I did give in to her demands, I'd feel bitter and resentful; doing things her way to appease the guilt of not being a good daughter in her eyes.  My relationship with her could be summed up as a of cycle of fight, guilt trip, give in, and fight some more.  Ugh.

Unfortunately, my story didn't have the happy ending that I'm sure Claudia and Bernice will have since appearing on Dr. Phil.  No, my story ended the hard and cold way.  We locked horns again in beginning of the year, and I "snapped" and told my mom that she and I were through, done, finished.  Interestingly enough, it's the only message from me that she's ever truly understood without further explanation.  We haven't spoken since.  It was a nasty ending to a stressful relationship, and I felt very ... I don't know what the feeling was... sad, mad, drained, and guilty for it all at the same time. 

But I have to say in all honesty that I'd rather have no mother than be driven completely insane.  LIfe is too short to spend fighting for respect, acceptance, and independance from my mother. ...and so, I truly hope that Bernice really takes Dr. Phil's message to heart and accepts her "wake-up" call before her daughter says, "No more!!" to her like I said to said to mine. 
 
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frustrated
May 4, 2006, 12:09 am PDT

What keeps us from control

I am having difficulty in controlling my own house with a very possessive wife. I don't believe in divorce but I am so close.........any ideas? 

 
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May 4, 2006, 12:23 am PDT

Enlist Your Fiance's Help in Dealing with his mother.

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I just had to comment when I saw all of this. I'm about to be married in August, and my future mother in law is just a nightmare. She has worked on my fiance since the beginning of his life to manipulate him, scare him, and guilt him into doing what she wants him to. Luckily, at the beginning of the relationship I told him if we were going to be serious the relationship we had would be first priority; I haven't had hardly any trouble since (with him). She is constantly trying to run my wedding, and I'm growing to really dislike her. We have been house hunting a little, and I have refused to get anything inside her zip code. She is just poisoning my life. I almost threw calla lilies out of my wedding because she said she likes them. I know it's immature, but it stems from the frustration. She has made it clear in notes to my fiance that she wishes everything were the way it was before I was there. He is also preparing to convert to my religion, and I know that will send her over the edge. She told me she wanted us and her grandchildren at her church with her. Well, now that I've vented all of that I have to say I feel for the lady on the show. If I had her mother I would definately move farther away than Ireland. If anyone would like to give any advice to a girl whos words go in one ear and out the other with her mother in law please drop me a line. Thanks 

  

  

 The best way to firmly cement yourself as the the captain of your own ship with your soon to be mother-in-law is to get your fiance to have a frank discussion with her regarding her demanding, and interfering behavior.    If you protest too much from the very beginning she will paint you as the adversarial, selfish, and beligerant daughter-in-law.  This happended to me.  My husband  still has never  stood up for us, and our right to be independant, and we have been married almost 20 years.      

   

When my husband and I went on vacation to Mexico,  she stayed with our children (she asked to).  While we were gone she completely rearranged our home!  She moved furniture, and organized my closets, made scrapbooks for our photos, and called our credit card companies to rearrange our payment schedules, and made an appointment for me to have a mammogram!  She also managed to run off some of my son's friends.  When they met us at the airport, my twelve-year-old son said, "Please don't ever leave us alone with her again-she is crazy!"  Now when our kid's know she is coming for a visit,  they groan and quickly start making plans to stay over the weekend with friends.  When she visits she is quick to say critical things, her favorite is "I don't like your.........insert anything here, televison, carpet, dishes, broom,  whatever!  I finally told her, "Well Gloria, I don't really care if you like it, I didn't buy it for you, I bought it for myself, and I like it."  She talks nonstop when she is here,  and monopolizes every conversation, and demands that we adhere to her itinerary.  She is crazy, manipulative, and completely obnoxious.  She has tried to give me parenting advise, even though she ran out and left her two older children when they were 11, and 12 taking only her two youngest with her.    

   

She makes a point of telling everyone that she thought my husband was gay before we married because he just didn't seem to be serious about women.  When she says this it hurts him deeply and I want to rip her hair out of her head.  When he was a boy he was sexually abused by a teacher and he told her.  Being completely self absorbed as always she didn't hear him,  As a result he was confused about sex as a young man and is humiliated by these comments now.   My husband is a good man.  He is successful, loving, and completely heterosexual,  he is masculine and extremely attractive, as well as a very good lover.  But whenever she opens her mouth he feels just as humiliated and worthless as he did when he was a child being molested.  

   

When she is here I feel as though we are being held hostage.  I count the hours until her departure, although she will never say exactly when she will be leaving, just as she never says when she is coming, "Maybe Friday afternoon, or possibly Saturday Morning."   This woman is a menace I swear!  And my sister-in-law feels exactly as I do.    My husband and I have a great marriage when she is not around.  He is responsible, level headed,  strong, and loving.  He is truly the love of my life and the perfect man, until she comes to visit.  

   

We live in the country and have 45 acres of land.  She is beginning to say that she is going to retire to our farm, and build a home here.  I have told my husband that hell will actually freeze over before I will allow this to happen.  Anyway,   I am sorry that I have vented so much here, all I started off to say is that you should enlist your fiance's help now to nip it in the bud before she manages to transform into your own personal nightmare.  

I wish you the best of luck!  

 
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May 4, 2006, 1:15 am PDT

A Lil Harsh

I can understand that the daughter feels a little smothered but come on now a Xanax problem because of it? Sounds to me like Bernice is a mother that may be a little over bearing but ya know I never have to ask for my Mother's, Grandma's, Aunt's, Uncle's, Cousin's, etc opinion... they give it!! Same with me. That is our family dynamic!! How lucky is she to have a mother who wants to be so involved. A Mother that wants everything to do with her grandbabies. I have a bestfriend who lost her Mother and Father and she would kill to have an overbearing mother!! To move to Ireland sounds very drastic. Her children would lose out on a very important memory. A memory of their Grandmother. I love mine with all my heart and I saw her everyday growing up. Screaming and yelling seems to be a little much. I feel Dr. Phil was a little harsh on the Mother. True it is the Husband and Wife's life but in most countries around the world families are close like that. In fact in countries like Italy,Germany, Mexico, Greece the whole family lives together in one home. America has lost so much of it's true family dynamic.This Mother is not vindictive or nasty like some of the other Mothers I have seen on the show. She loves her family!!  My point is absolutely please draw a boundary but don't make your children lose out on an important relationship with a Grandmother that loves them to death. Your mother will probably only be around for another 15 to 20 years and then you will have another 40 to live without her. You are a very lucky woman and I can see how your mother says your spoiled. You would never miss her more if you woke up tomorrow and she wasn't there.
 
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