Topic : 05/04 Violent Love Intervention

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They’re slapped, beaten and bruised. Sometimes, the violence doesn’t end until they’re dead. Dr. Phil talks to women who say they are the victims of abuse and need an intervention before it’s too late. Michelle says her boyfriend, Ryan, flies off the handle over the smallest issues. She reveals that he began hitting her when she was pregnant with their son. Ryan says he can’t control his anger because his own dad was abusive with him as a child. Is it too late for Ryan to change? Then, Linda says her fiancé, Eddie, shot her in the eye and nearly killed her when she threatened to leave him. He’s now serving only four years in prison because, Linda says, she lied to the police and called the shooting accidental. Her mom, Jody, says she’s sickened that Linda still cares for the man who almost took her life. Will Linda stop loving the man who shot her and learn how to have healthy relationships? Talk about the show here.

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May 9, 2006, 10:56 am PDT

Exceptional fathers DO NOT abuse their childrens' mom

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I thought I was seeking help, some advice, etc. when I posted what I posted. I did not think I myself would have to suffer abuse from people who do not even know me. I am no saint but neither is my sons mother. She should never have had her son taken away from her. I may not be or have been a good husband/partner but I have always been and will continue to be an exceptional father who will love and cherrish my son the way he should be. 

  

I hope I get other responses than the abusive people that have obviously need help themselves! 

 
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May 9, 2006, 11:11 am PDT

Thank you for not letting me down

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He only has about 15 to 35 minutes on camera with someone.  All he can really do is ask a few questions, say a few words, & send someone to a specialist for further help.  He just can't work a miracle in 15 to 30 minutes.    

   

Re. sociopaths & psychopaths, I know technically there's a difference, but do tend to refer to the two interchangeably.  Thanks for the book recs.  I'm familiar with the Robert Hare book but not the M. Scott Peck book.  

   

I'm curious how you've perceived Dr. Phil has changed over the years.  

Just as sure as I read --thnkr's post, I knew without a shadow of a doubt that you would reply to the sociopath/psychopath comment.   

  

And as they are different,  --thnkr let you have that one. 

  

It was like a cat playing with it's half dead mouse--batting it around.  He let you get away. 

  

Dr. Phil's show has changed in a different direction.  It's VERY obvious.  It happens. 

  

Have a nice evening.   

 
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May 9, 2006, 11:58 am PDT

Yep, eye-opening

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I don't trust that his specialists are any better than the ones I've seen around me all my life and the people I've seen them treat.  Now and then one here and there seems to be better than most but they still don't touch the subject of psychopaths or sociopathy like they should. And I wasn't talking about sociopaths.  I said psychopaths. To me, however, there isn't much difference.  Lack of empathy and conscience is pretty much the same in my book regardless of the name you give it. 

  

Don't get me wrong here, I've been one Dr. Phil's greatest fans, especially in the beginning.  But what I've seen over this last year concerns me.  He's changed his sails, adjusting to some kind of new wind and I'm just not sure why or what's up with that. 

  

All in all I just find it interesting that we push this one off into the closet, behind the door of therapy and we just won't speak about it much, like it happens so infrequently and they are only the jack-the-ripper types and the one in a million kind of person. That's just not true, they are all around us.  Different levels of them, some more skilled than others and with our narcissistic brainwashing that we get everywhere we turn about how it's "all about me", I'm not sure we'd be able to identify one if saw one because growing up watching "My Sweet Sixteen" shows and the like - how in the world would you know one if we bumped into them. To be self-centered - is to be praised and envied and is now our role model of choice. And what's with the reality shows or the survival shows?  I love the survival shows because it promotes being a team.  But wait, No, now we split you up and you turn on the very people you were on a team with.  The programming promotes narcissism, praises psychopaths, self-centeredness, backbiting, the more the better.  And we wonder why so many people end up on this show in the shape they are? Well.........you put a little box like that in your home and put your mind on auto-pilot and watch it without critically thinking and it programs you. Survival of the fittest I guess.  May the best psychopath win.  Only trouble is - when there's only one because he or she ate their best friend - then what? 

  

I have two books for you an anyone else reading - "People of the Lie" by Dr. Scott Peck and "Without Conscience" by Dr. Robert Hare. Interesting reading. Eye-opening. 

  

  

"People of the Lie", a good one for me-- lay man.   

  

At first, I thought, as I read, it would frighten me, but then, I felt it to be almost therapeutic.  You'd have to know me to understand, or not.  Now I have to wait for the bugger to get to my door so I can read the whole book.  

  

I'm sure you've read much more intense books than that one. 

  

"Without Conscience", another lay man.  Maybe one bad review, only because he's  usually written for the more knowledgeable reader.  That one is more like an eye popper to me.   Didn't scare me off. 

  

I'm an anyone else reading and thanks for sharing. 

  

 
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May 9, 2006, 1:09 pm PDT

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my son is 28 and the girl he is dating is 21.  She is verbally abusing him.  Her opening line was "I'm looking for someone to settle down with and have a baby because all my friends are".  My son told me this. I told him forget 21 year olds and especially this one in light of this statement.  He then proceeds to tell me she is mean when drunk. Once again I told him to forget about it. She sounded like trouble.  I know the reason he started seeing her was that his former girlfriend of 3 1/2 years had ended their relationship. He was devasted.  After a very short while, she started sleeping with him at his apartment, staying there for days, probably weeks at a time.  I met her at Christmas time and then once again.  My son bought a house around that time and she was staying there night after night.  I was getting a more clear picture of this girl. She had no close friends, no interests, lost her license and car, only worked part-time, depended on everyone for her independence, was told by one of my son's friends that she was moody all the time, lazy, blows her paycheck as soon as she gets it and was draining my son. She was constantly with my son, by his side 24/7. She ended up breaking up with him, on the phone, because she demanded, "Either I move in with you or that is it" after 3 1/2 months dating him.  My son was devasted again and we discussed many things about relationships etc..During this time, I found out that she has a "rough life", she was raped when she was young, she was in a two year long physically abusive relationship, and she hated her father because he wasn't there when she was young and he went to jail for something to do with gambling.  I thought he was done with her and I thought he had a better perspective on what to look for in a partner.  Two months later she was back in his life.  I couldn't believe my son.  He said they had a couple of long talks and she said that she didn't feel he cared enough about her that's why she ended it.  He fell for it hook, line and sinker.  Since then she has him doing everything for her.  He brings her to work, brings her home, feeds her, brings her everywhere she needs to go to live her life. She goes out with him when he goes out with his friends, when he plays sports, everywhere. Many of his friends cannot stand her and says he is not the same when he is dating her.  They are all slowly avoiding him.  I've know his friends for many, many years.  She is isolating him from everyone, including his parents.  They stay with each othe every nite either at his home or her apartment.  They are never separated. Finally, I have found out that she has been yelling and screaming at him in public for no reason and humiliating him.  I do not think he understands the severity of this.  We have tried to talk to him to tell him what he is dealing with.  He turns everything around to defend her.  He said that this yelling and screaming is not that bad.  I have a feeling she is hitting him too.  We have been recently talking to his friends and finding out more and more. I have talked to crisis centers and been doing research about this on the internet.  Oh by the way, she is not on any type of birth control.  She told my son it was too expensive.  I'm sure she knows about planned parenthood. I think my son was so devasted by the former relationship and wants someone so bad that he is compromising everything he wants in a woman. Tell me what I can do to reach my son.  I know he is 28 years old and he makes his own decisions but I know he is not thinking straight. 
 

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May 9, 2006, 2:01 pm PDT

Hi DJ

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my son is 28 and the girl he is dating is 21.  She is verbally abusing him.  Her opening line was "I'm looking for someone to settle down with and have a baby because all my friends are".  My son told me this. I told him forget 21 year olds and especially this one in light of this statement.  He then proceeds to tell me she is mean when drunk. Once again I told him to forget about it. She sounded like trouble.  I know the reason he started seeing her was that his former girlfriend of 3 1/2 years had ended their relationship. He was devasted.  After a very short while, she started sleeping with him at his apartment, staying there for days, probably weeks at a time.  I met her at Christmas time and then once again.  My son bought a house around that time and she was staying there night after night.  I was getting a more clear picture of this girl. She had no close friends, no interests, lost her license and car, only worked part-time, depended on everyone for her independence, was told by one of my son's friends that she was moody all the time, lazy, blows her paycheck as soon as she gets it and was draining my son. She was constantly with my son, by his side 24/7. She ended up breaking up with him, on the phone, because she demanded, "Either I move in with you or that is it" after 3 1/2 months dating him.  My son was devasted again and we discussed many things about relationships etc..During this time, I found out that she has a "rough life", she was raped when she was young, she was in a two year long physically abusive relationship, and she hated her father because he wasn't there when she was young and he went to jail for something to do with gambling.  I thought he was done with her and I thought he had a better perspective on what to look for in a partner.  Two months later she was back in his life.  I couldn't believe my son.  He said they had a couple of long talks and she said that she didn't feel he cared enough about her that's why she ended it.  He fell for it hook, line and sinker.  Since then she has him doing everything for her.  He brings her to work, brings her home, feeds her, brings her everywhere she needs to go to live her life. She goes out with him when he goes out with his friends, when he plays sports, everywhere. Many of his friends cannot stand her and says he is not the same when he is dating her.  They are all slowly avoiding him.  I've know his friends for many, many years.  She is isolating him from everyone, including his parents.  They stay with each othe every nite either at his home or her apartment.  They are never separated. Finally, I have found out that she has been yelling and screaming at him in public for no reason and humiliating him.  I do not think he understands the severity of this.  We have tried to talk to him to tell him what he is dealing with.  He turns everything around to defend her.  He said that this yelling and screaming is not that bad.  I have a feeling she is hitting him too.  We have been recently talking to his friends and finding out more and more. I have talked to crisis centers and been doing research about this on the internet.  Oh by the way, she is not on any type of birth control.  She told my son it was too expensive.  I'm sure she knows about planned parenthood. I think my son was so devasted by the former relationship and wants someone so bad that he is compromising everything he wants in a woman. Tell me what I can do to reach my son.  I know he is 28 years old and he makes his own decisions but I know he is not thinking straight. 

Everything that is said to a woman who is being abused and manipulated applies equally to your son.    

   

Your son sounds co-dependent..... He needs an independant person to help him sort out how he feels the good and the bad. His gf needs counselling before it gets worse. And it will from the sounds of it.   

   

Lack of self worth applies to both genders. Perhaps his breakup left him thinking this is what he deserves or it may be his way of, "proving he is a good person and can fix her".   

   

I know of a man who married a horrid, manipulative, abusive female I believe was more so to prove he could change her. Everyone telling him how bad she was only made him more determined.   

   

It is terrible for you to watch, I'm sure it breaks your heart, but..... be careful not to push too hard it may backfire and he may alleniate you.   

   

Perhaps your son should take the birth control responsibility and I hope he does not "trust" that even if he buys it for her she will take it.   

   

If your son truly cares for this woman, the importance of her getting help with her past issues will be crucial. A former victim can learn to love with respect, but it takes hard work and a willing spirit to open their eyes and see it!  

   

I wish I could give you the magic answer, I can only pray for you and your family!  

   

God bless you for caring!  

Coffee  :)  

 
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May 9, 2006, 6:23 pm PDT

thay r branwashed

Thous kids that were on today s show, thay have been bran washed by there dad.I think the dad has bulled the kids in to thinking that hes religion (or whatever it is) is the right way.i am word 4 thous kids like the mom is, in that thay will not be able to talk car if them self in today susiuty. thay r to sheltered. what wood ha-pun if god for bed that got  relsik, wood the dad or sumone get them the help thay need.well i guess that is all 4 my openyun on that.
 
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May 10, 2006, 9:34 am PDT

VIOLENT MICHELLE

HAS ANYONE NOTICED THAT ON THIS SHOW MICHELLES EYE WAS SHOT IN THE RIGHT EYE, AND LATER IN THE SHOW IT WAS HER LEFT????
 

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May 10, 2006, 10:08 am PDT

05/04 Violent Love Intervention

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HAS ANYONE NOTICED THAT ON THIS SHOW MICHELLES EYE WAS SHOT IN THE RIGHT EYE, AND LATER IN THE SHOW IT WAS HER LEFT????
A lot of times when things are filmed they are mirrored or flipped. It's the job of editors to make sure that this doesn't cause problems like this (if this did happen)....but sometimes, especially with shows that are filmed everyday, these things can slip through the cracks.

Also, if you watch Dr Phil enough you can see his production crew like to do artistic things,during the video portions of the show,  flip the image, tint it, have words written on the screen to make impact, zoom in...you get the idea...


 
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May 10, 2006, 11:14 am PDT

raaraunt-from the Dr Phil moderator....

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Some viewers have raised questions about the injury suffered by Linda, who appeared on the Dr. Phil episode “Violent Love Intervention.” They have noted a shot of Linda in which her injury appears to flip to the other side of her face.

  

 

  

 

As part of the effort to make a show that’s as visually interesting as possible, Dr. Phil producers will occasionally flip their video footage. The technique very simply creates a mirror image of the actual footage and is used often throughout the television industry.

  

 

 
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May 10, 2006, 12:36 pm PDT

The Production of a show

My experience of working in the production dept. of an ABC affiliate network station:  was the hardest, most fun, family oriented dedicated people that worked as a team.  One dept.cannot work without the other. 

  

The most exhilarating experience is when all chaos is going on behind the camera, on headset, but yet you pull of a superb show. 

  

I say you are all worth every penny you make and are lucky to put together Dr. Phil's show, for he could not do it all himself. 

 

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