Topic : 05/10 Finding Allene and Mollie, Part 2

Groovy:         Isn't it funny, you have all these opnions about what the girls have said (supposedly) 2nd hand info out of the mouth of their distant mouther.  But when the girls speak for themselves all of a sudden you are deaf, dumb, & blind.  Dr. Phil stated he saw no obvious signs of "Brainwashing" from either the Hetterite Sect or the father - - - - yet that topic keeps popping up and Michell says she is afraid her daughter have been brainwashed.  So it appears she has little faith in Dr. Phil's opnion.  Dr. Phil and the courts seem to pay little regard to the drastic life-style changes the girls are now being subjected to and not at all gradually.  I think the REAL BRAINWASHING has just begun ! ! ! 

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Jaider,    What about this gun pointing business?  I have the tapes but didn't catch that part. 

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Mystery Guest: 

          10 POINTS 4 U ! ! !  The adversarial process is tough on adults let alone children.  Of course many lawyers don't wish to cut loose their CASH-COW ! ! ! 

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Momisme2  - - -  

                          Yes there may be some bias on my part - - - - you see I came from California.  A state that during the "Tender Years Doctrine" would give child custody to a heroin addict mother rather than believe a father could be a good parent.  I saw Chris Cvetcovitch lose contact with his children for more than a decade after he had taken them from their custodial mother and hid within the U.S.A. for 18 months with an ultra right Christian sect.  I see no difference in a father stealing his children than from the state stealing them & dictating how much time the father may VISIT his own children..  I also see in Michell a "Wild Eyed" woman who seems to have the same look as that "Run-Away-Bride" and who I fear will come back to bite Dr. Phil on his ass ! ! ! 

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You keep on saying Michell said the girls said.  These aren't babies, they are adolesants and when the speak I don't hear this CRAP you and Michell keep coming up with.  You pull the strings & let Michell talk for them.  & the BS rolls out! 

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I hear the word ABDUCTION over & over.  Didn't Michael have legal custody?  Michell is just now filing for custody and the court as usual is abusing the ex-parte powers.  It appears Michell's story has changed during the process, didn't she admitt to hearing DEMONS & then when she lost custody her story changed?  When were criminal charges filed & why didn't the F.B.I. retrieve the girls ? ? ?  Why did Dr. Phil bait both Michael & Peter to say things on tape that they could be prosecuted for ? ? ?  If Michael had custody, why wasn't he charged with the lesser crime of visitation interference ? ? ?  Now Michell drops the other shoe and makes sexual abuse allegations. 

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That statement was based on something I later could not verify.  The only alleged abuse I know about is what Michael said on the show about the pistols and knives.  Sorry to all. 

......whenever a religion is not of the mainstream it is considered a cult?  I do not agree with what this father did, but I will admit that I do not know too much about the religion either.  What he did was wrong.  And as far as the mother...she can do whatever she wants!  Her daughters were taken from her inwillingly.