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Created on : Friday, May 05, 2006, 07:05:23 am
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Do you know someone who turns your stomach or makes you cringe the minute they walk into the room? If so, Dr. Phil has advice for managing toxic relationships. Janet left her husband, Mark, on 10 separate occasions in their first year of marriage. She says she’s tired of being his maid and concubine, and of putting up with his lying, and his selfish and unsympathetic ways. Mark thinks Janet needs to get over her deep-seated issues. Why does she keep tolerating his behavior, and is he the only one at fault? Then, Gay and MG say their lives are being torn apart by their daughter, Summer’s, hostility and abuse. They say she lies about illnesses, verbally attacks them and blames them for her chaotic lifestyle. Summer feels betrayed by her parents and even accuses them of taking away her child. Find out Gay’s ultimatum to Summer and share your thoughts here.

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May 16, 2006, 7:39 am PDT

Toxic Family Relationship

Is it a bad thing to wish to never speak to your parents again? I feel like the very foundation that my family was based is completely built on lies and abuse. I moved away from my family about two years ago, and still feel like it’s not far enough.  Throughout my entire childhood, my mother always called me names, put me down, called me worthless, physically hurt me, ridiculed me, criticized everything about me, and threatened to kill me. But for my family, we never talked about things, gave apologies, or reconciled differences. My dad always enabled her to continue being destructive.  In the recent time, she is never happy, and still uses heavy criticism and name calling with us. She still tells me that she wishes that I was dead. She manipulates me with money, places extreme guilt on me. Both of my parents have always held me responsible for my mom’s happiness, and force me to “protect” her from ever dealing with her past, she has many of her own issues, which I have carried for her for years.  

  

 

I’ve come to this breaking moment where I refuse to go back to pretending. Everyone else has gone back to pretending, but I feel that if I continue down this path, this relationship is extremely negative and toxic to my well being. I still feel like I was robbed as a child, that I will never know what it’s like to have the unconditional love and support from a mother or father, that maybe I will never see my parents again after this. I know they blame me for problems with our family, especially my dad.  I know I have to get away because there is so much damage that affects my social, mental, and spiritual life, even just functioning as a capable adult. But I also feel so guilty feeling so resentful towards my parents. I have never felt like I could be myself around them, I have always felt great fear, anxiety, and sadness around them. I don’t think they’re ever capable of changing, I just don’t know what to do, but it’s been really heavy on my conscience.   

 
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May 16, 2006, 8:13 am PDT

helped her??

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 I can understand Summer's frustration with her parents.  Am I the only one who understands her parents did raise her and did help her get to the point she is today?!  She is a 29 year old woman now but who raised that woman to the person she is today?  The same parents blaiming her for all her bad choices.  Dr. Phill asked why they are so involved with one another if its so toxic?  HELLO,  These people have her son.  If they were not so closely involved Summer would be blamed for not caring about her son.  I just want to say I can see Summer's side of things and hope she can get to a better place and have her son full time.  Then Summer will know her son won't be raised by the same parents who raised her and helped her get to where she is. 

That's all speculative, but o.k. - now I'm curious.  What do you suppose the parents did (or didn't do) to cause Summer to abuse drugs and/or alcohol?  Are you unable to understand the parents frustration with Summer?? 

You refer to them as "...these people" and as if it is not natural for them to be "closely involved".  They could have easily turned away and let the child slip into the cracks of the "system" and into Foster Care.   

  

Of course, like you, I hope she can get to a better place.  However, unlike you, I do realize that it is an uphill battle and she is very fortunate to have the support of her parents (who (HELLO!) obviously love and care for her and their grandchild) 

 
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May 16, 2006, 11:07 am PDT

05/12 Toxic Relationships

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   I have yet to meet one female who actually enjoys doing that for a living.That all by-itself may be partly where summer got the chip on her shoulder.  The money may be good dancing but its a bigger price to pay when it comes to your self esteem, self worth, family, and probably a whole lot of other things.....
Right you are!!! I being a former dancer myself am all to aware of the damage it does. Reading every ones post it seems like people think its a disorder. I my self dont think it is at all. I think its the profession shes in. It is like a cult it changes every part of you. Watching Summer was like seeing my self back when I danced. And not just my self every other woman that worked with me was the exact same way. The first step to helping Summer is get her as far from those places and people as possible.
 
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May 16, 2006, 11:24 am PDT

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I know you must be thinking that you'll never find a job that allows you to set you own hours, make that kind of money, etc..... that the job makes certain things easier. I can promise you, that after being in it for 10 years and out for 3, that my life as a dancer was a lot more complicated. I can't tell you how many times I tried to quit drinking, doing drugs, smoking, and hanging out with the wrong people as a dancer and it just doesn't work that way. Trouble just keeps finding you. I made the choice to get out of the bar buisness altogether and took a retail job that I could at least tolerate, then got back into school and now am an honor student doing all kinds of community service work and setting an example, in general, as a leader (and it feels great, for once). I also, like you, stopped talking to my parents for about a year. I blamed them for everything and anything that had to do with me being in the situations I was in. They did a lot of things to me that were horribly abusive, physically, emotionally, etc. My dad was an abusive alcoholic and neither he nor my mom were never home. My dad worked 90 hour workweeks which ended him in the hospital and my mom did nothing but hound him and insult him and me day in and day out. I was an only child and started working when I was 15 years old because my dad made some really unwise business investments. We had very little to live on, and I worked from age 15 on to buy the extra things I wanted, and even certain things I needed. I was doing drugs way before I started dancing, but once I got into dancing at age 19, the drugs and alcohol got really really bad. I was drinking fifths of whatever I could get my hands on, slamming shot after shot, freebasing coke, snorting coke, doing meth..... pot seemed like a cigarette back then comapred to the other stuff. It takes so much to get out on the floor every night and just talk to those loser, perverted men with their miserable lives. I hated looking at their faces, and listening to their pathetic stories about how they thought cheating on their wife was ok, or all their stupid stories about their "hot girlfriends" (which those guys are of course way too nasty to get anyhow), or whatever other crap they choose to load on you. I got really sick of being those losers' therapist. It really emotionally and spiritually wears on you after awhile. No wonder I was always so depressed back then! Some of those customers are very insulting to you, and then they always want to touch you in places you don't want to be touched. Then you find that they won't pay you unless you let them do it, and if you won't do it (like me) then you end up making no money, while you watch every other girl in there who is being a total prostitute bank like crazy. So some nights, you go home with nothing. So then, the job really isn't all that great. Then, you have a night where a guy just treats you great and hands you $1000 and things are suddenly ok. It's not a reliable income. I made almost $100k one year and was in debt. I blew everything on drugs and alcohol. I wasn't the kind of stripper that bought material things, I wanted to go out and get wasted and buy the whole bar drinks. I'd have $500 bar tabs, where I'd tip $200. I thought, "oh, I'll just make it back tomorrow". Then, tomorrow never comes and you're too hung over to work anyhow, so you're back to square one. So, night after night goes by and you keep doing all this, thinking that after awhile, you'll get out and things will be ok. But what really happens is the whole scene of being a stripper becomes like a normal every day lifestyle. You get used to it, and think it's totally normal. It's not normal. It's anything BUT normal. It turns you into a different person. I remember always looking at myself in the mirror thinking, "oh my god, I hate my body! I wish I looked like this girl, or that girl, or could afford plastic surgery..... if I could just get out of this job, maybe these wrinkles would go away and I'd look and feel better... I should really do this or do that to get out...", etc, etc.. After awhile, you just start to develop a really twisted self-image, or, you can end up like I did at one time and totally not even know who you are or what you believe. The whole environment of the club and what remains in your subconscious from the club just screws everything in your head up. I can understand you not wanting to put your kid around you while you're doing that job, especially being around the drugs and stuff (and I also knew of a lot of girls that did) but you really have to start having hope and start believing that there is a better world out there. I always knew it, I just didn't know how to go out there and get it. And then one day, I just made a choice to get out and I just never came back. That was it. I don't even talk to anybody I used to work with nor have even allowed myself to walk in a strip club since. I quit drinking and doing drugs, and am really happy with my life. I'll be getting my degree in about a year and a half and will have a great chance at a promising future. It really just involves choices, Summer. You're not a bad person. I just see someone who is really, really, confused, has obviously been really hurt by somebody or maybe many people at some point(s) in her life, and has her defenses up at all times to try to avoid getting hurt again. You just have to make a choice. I'm not trying to say it will be easy, but when you do make it (and I hope you do), your life will get so much better and I can promise you all the other things that seem so bad right now will start to iron themselves out little by little. It will take time, but right now, I think that's a really small sacrifice to make when you think about your son and his future. I can promise you your son wants you in his life and if you just start by taking the step of quitting that job, your oppotunities for a better life will start immediately. I really do hope the best for you because I was in your place and now, at 32, I can say I'm NOT going to be stuck as a 40 year old stripper, still drinking my liver into a state of cirrhosis or doing drugs, with wrinkles and sagging skin from the tanning bed, looking ten years older and feeling like I'm 80, or just dying, period, and not having a chance to have a positive impact on myself and other people. Just something to think about.

I was so glad to read your post. Its great to know that someone else out could see what I see. I am happy you got out of that. I to danced for almost 5 yrs. And have been out four almost 4. It seems like a different world doesn't it? My life has done a 180 since I stopped dancing. As did yours. It does change everything. You lose touch with your self and every one around you. I think if people talked to every dancer that got out they would see the same exact thing in each and every one. I think instead of everyone turning there back on Summer if just one person took the time to really care and look beyond everything. And help her get out they would see a totally different person. Good luck with your degree!! 

  

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May 16, 2006, 1:26 pm PDT

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When you invited your mother and her husband for dinner, you must have had some positive communication and felt optimistic on getting though a dinner with her.  The anticipation has made you start to worry and then dread the face to face meeting.  I've been in a similar relationship with my father.  I'd feel like I could go through with a dinner, then get anxious before it occurred. 

  

On every occasion this has happened, it has worked out ok for me.  I kept the meeting short and as light as possible, and everything was ok.  If you are too anxious, it is perfectly acceptable to contact her and let her know this mothers day may not be a good time for you, that you aren't feeling up to it.   

  

I found that when I made the visit, I felt more comfortable because I could leave anytime and I felt like the visit was more on my terms.   

  

As more time passed, I could visit with much less anxiety, however, I still only see him occasionally. 

thanks for your response. i wrote my mother the following:  

   

hi, i have to cancel our dinner plans on sunday. i'm not feeling well enough for it to be a pleasant experience for both of us. i've had problems getting treatment and have been off my meds for months now. i've found a place where i can get help (i have an appointment on june 27). hopefully getting back on meds and back into therapy i can work on my issues and we can go from there. sorry to disappoint you. love lynne  

   

she responded sympathetically and didn't seem to take it personally at all. i'll allow for the possibility i might be able to meet with her another time.  

   

 
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May 16, 2006, 1:27 pm PDT

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Tell the truth without the crystal ball gazing.  Just tell her that as the date is approaching, you have realized that you still feel too upset to be able to start on a positive note. Don't tell her you never will-you don't know that. 

  

Then get to work figuring out what she can do to help you repair this relationship.  If you need her to admit or acknowlege past wrongs or apologize, ask for it. Please, be proactive and do it.  People don't live forever and once she is gone you will be sorry you were estranged. 

thanks for your response. i wrote my mother the following:  

   

hi, i have to cancel our dinner plans on sunday. i'm not feeling well enough for it to be a pleasant experience for both of us. i've had problems getting treatment and have been off my meds for months now. i've found a place where i can get help (i have an appointment on june 27). hopefully getting back on meds and back into therapy i can work on my issues and we can go from there. sorry to disappoint you. love lynne  

   

she responded sympathetically and didn't seem to take it personally at all. i'll allow for the possibility i might be able to meet with her another time.  

 
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May 16, 2006, 5:06 pm PDT

RA and Fibro

hello i was wondering if anyone has any new information about meds or what ever im thirty aand was diag. five years ago and havee been on so many meds and have gone to the chiro. anrd since then have had to be put on a CPAP machine. Which was to help with the tiredness and it seems to be more of a pain then anything. And in all this i feel bad for my daughter and husband i feel lkie i hod them back with alot of different things.  any info. THANKS
 
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May 16, 2006, 5:18 pm PDT

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Which goes to show that if she really wanted help - she would have stuck around.  She was great until it became about her. It is always someone else's fault.  

  

  

Remember she left the stage because she was upset. Dr. Phil did offer her help. She may not have been there to accept it, but it doesnt necessarily mean she will or will not take advantage of it....
 
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May 16, 2006, 5:30 pm PDT

i want the info

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The place his wife recommends is the PMS Clinic in the LA area. 

i dont know about that but i do know that there is a test they can do by usuing your spit the dr. name where i live is brian smith located in manahawkin nj
 

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May 16, 2006, 5:40 pm PDT

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thanks for your response. i wrote my mother the following:  

   

hi, i have to cancel our dinner plans on sunday. i'm not feeling well enough for it to be a pleasant experience for both of us. i've had problems getting treatment and have been off my meds for months now. i've found a place where i can get help (i have an appointment on june 27). hopefully getting back on meds and back into therapy i can work on my issues and we can go from there. sorry to disappoint you. love lynne  

   

she responded sympathetically and didn't seem to take it personally at all. i'll allow for the possibility i might be able to meet with her another time.  

Good for you! I hope and pray that you can get to a state of health so you can think about repairing that relationship. God bless. 

 
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