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Do you know someone who turns your stomach or makes you cringe the minute they walk into the room? If so, Dr. Phil has advice for managing toxic relationships. Janet left her husband, Mark, on 10 separate occasions in their first year of marriage. She says she’s tired of being his maid and concubine, and of putting up with his lying, and his selfish and unsympathetic ways. Mark thinks Janet needs to get over her deep-seated issues. Why does she keep tolerating his behavior, and is he the only one at fault? Then, Gay and MG say their lives are being torn apart by their daughter, Summer’s, hostility and abuse. They say she lies about illnesses, verbally attacks them and blames them for her chaotic lifestyle. Summer feels betrayed by her parents and even accuses them of taking away her child. Find out Gay’s ultimatum to Summer and share your thoughts here.

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May 16, 2006, 5:45 pm PDT

05/12 Toxic Relationships

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hello i was wondering if anyone has any new information about meds or what ever im thirty aand was diag. five years ago and havee been on so many meds and have gone to the chiro. anrd since then have had to be put on a CPAP machine. Which was to help with the tiredness and it seems to be more of a pain then anything. And in all this i feel bad for my daughter and husband i feel lkie i hod them back with alot of different things.  any info. THANKS

Agh! I have Rheumatoid Arthritis too and I understand completely about the exhaustion and family upheaval. I have had some good results taking Plaquenil regularly.  I was on prednisone for a long time and that has to be the most miserable drug. One thing I have started using is relaxation techniques and exercise. 

  

Good luck! 

 
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May 17, 2006, 3:16 am PDT

What is not toxic nowadays?..................................

  

GOD HELP US TO UNDERSTAND THE SOLUTION TO FIX OUR TOXIC RELATIONSHIPS! 

 

IF IT'S NOT SMOKING, ABUSING, FIGHTING, CURSING, DOING DRUGS, ITS MARRIAGE PROBLEMS SO WHAT'S NEXT. 

 

IT IS SAD TO SEE, THAT, COUPLES IN UNITES STATES OF AMERICA AS WELL AS OTHER WESTERN COUNTRIES FOUNDED ON  DEMOCRACY EXPERIENCE TOXIC RELATIONSHIPS WITH SPOUSES AS IN MARK AND JANET'S CASE.   

 

IMAGINE THE COUNTRIES FOUNDED ON DEMOCRACY DESPITE HAVING ALL THE RESOURCES AND ESSENTIALS TO MAKE LIFE COMFORTABLE AND AFFORDABLE WE ARE FACED WITH RELATIONSHIP CRISIS OR TOXIC RELATIONSHIPS.   

 

  • AS TOM HANK SAID "LIFE IS A BOX OF CHOCOLATES" WE EITHER ENJOY IT OR GIVE IT UP. 
  • AND I SUPPOSE MARRIAGE MUST BE THE SAME WAY FOR MOST COUPLES. 
  • YOU EITHER ENJOY MARRIAGE LIFE AND RIDE THE EXPERIENCE AS IT COMES OR YOU FORGET ABOUT IT AND GIVE IT UP AND BE ON YOUR OWN AGAIN UNTIL THE NEXT MR FROG OR MISS BUTTERCUP COMES ALONG.

I GREW UP THINKING THAT MOST PEOPLE MARRY AND LIVE HAPPILY EVER AFTER AND CAN ONLY MARRY ONCE.   

 

YET, AS ADULTS, WE FIND LIFE IS FULL OF SURPRISES AND IS EXTREMELY COMPLEX AND TOUGH AND CRUEL AT THE SAME TIME.   

 

DIVORCE AND SEPARATION IS THE NORM FOR MOST COUPLES AND FAMILIES NOWADAYS.  WE HAVE AN INCREASED NUMBER OF SOLO-MUMS OR SOLO-DADS BRINGING UP KIDS WITHOUT THE OTHER PARTNER.   

 

  • I SUPPOSE ALL WE CAN BE GRATEFUL FOR IS THAT WHATEVER RELATIONSHIPS WE ARE IN, ARE NOT TOXIC OR HARMFUL. 
  • I SUPPOSE AS LONG AS THOSE RELATIONSHIPS ARE NURTURING, LOVING AND SUPPORTIVE THEN THAT IS ALL THAT MATTERS.
  • THE ONCE NUCLEAR FAMILY DYNAMIC IS NOW ONLY A LUXURY THAT IS ENJOYED BY THE FEW WHO WISH TO KEEP IN THE NARROW PATH.
  • MY ONLY ADVICE TO ALL THOSE SO-CALLED COUPLES AROUND THE WORLD, IS PLEASE DO NOT TAKE YOUR SPOUSES, RELATIONSHIPS AND MARRIAGES FOR GRANTED. 
  • WE ALREADY HAVE TOO MANY BROKEN FAMILIES AND TOO MANY BROKEN RELATIONSHIPS ON OUR PLANET AS WELL AS ENOUGH LITTER ON THIS PLANET TO EXPAND TO ANOTHER PLANET ON THE UNIVERSE. 
  • SO PLEASE THINK BEFORE YOU MARRY OR DIVORCE SOMEONE.  WE GOT ENOUGH STARVING PEOPLE TO COVER THIS PLANET.  WE DON'T NEED ANYMORE LOVE STARVING PEOPLE TO POPULATE THIS PLANET.

SO ALL THOSE COUPLES LIKE OUR JANET AND MARK, PLEASE QUIT THE WHINGEING AND ARGUING AND JUST GET ALONG AND GET ON WITH LIVING. 

 

Rufio says "ET, you may save your breath to cool your porridge" (Elicited from George Bernard Shaw's Play:  "Cleopatra and Caesar"). 

 

Well, Rufio, I hope you are wrong, but, thanks anyway my friend. 

 

 

AUF WIEDERSEHEN UND ALLES GUTE - TOFA! 

 

PEACE OUT! 

 

YOUR ADORING FAN! 

 

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May 17, 2006, 9:18 am PDT

"Summer" who was on the show

I watched your show from the treadmill at the gym and I was shocked you did not nail Ms. Summer where she needed it.This girl was OBVIOUSLY on drugs on the program. She could barely keep her eyes open, nearly rolled her head around like the exorcist. I feel for her parents, what a poor excuse for a daughter. This family really needs to get tough with her, which I think they have by taking away THEIR car. I have seen this manipulation alot, it is very typical of addicts. Sad, Sad, Sad.  

May God be with that poor child of hers as she messes up yet another life!  

This is my very first post, so I hope I did this right. Just had to vent!  

 
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May 18, 2006, 1:14 pm PDT

No one's saying she's a child, but until the underlying issues are addressed...

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Summer is NOT a child, she's 29 years old. She claims to be an adult, but her actions were clearly immature. Summer needs to grow up and own up to her own behavior and stop blaming others for her actions. 

I totally agree that she needs counseling, but her behavior is her own. Summer is the one that chose to drink and Summer is the one who decided to do drugs. Nobody poured alcohol in Summer's  mouth or made Summer do the drugs.  

Saying that it is the parents fault is not placing the blame where it belongs.  

  

  

... there will be NO real healing.  Just like if you treat the abrasions but neglect to splint the broken leg, ... the skin will heal, but the bone never will.  I've seen this situation time and time again: people go around treating some superficial symptom instead of addressing the real underlying issues, and NO real healing occurs.  It is exactly like putting a bandaid on a broken leg and then wondering why the leg won't *properly* and *completely* heal. 

There are SO many screwed-up family situations nowadays that it's like our entire society is really twisted!!  Our sick society blames the sometimes-grown children for their parents SERIOUS FAILURES as parents!!  In fact, society takes up where the screwed-up parents left off and makes things worse by getting off on blaming the struggling, confused, victimized children.  How sick is that?!!!

NO HEALTHY PERSON CHOOSES TO HURT THEMSELVES!!!!!  I thought Dr Phil used to know that.  But maybe he still doesn't get it??  Whatever his situation, the fact remains that Summer is one hurting kid who needs to feel safe in dumping the obviously toxic relationship w/ her parents ... but it might be awhile before she feels safe enough and free enough to do that.  Kids just don't go and choose to hurt so much that only  being beligerent and acting out and doing drugs  self-calms them enough to keep living!!  Of course we have to set boundaries and consequences for this stuff, but FIRST and FOREMOST we need to be KIND and LOVING parents who are HEALTHY enough to raise HAPPY, LOVING and RESPONSIBLE children!!

EVERY hurting kid we see is the product of a screwed up family system and we need to remember that IF we want to see real healing, real progress in these hurting kids' lives!!
 
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May 18, 2006, 2:29 pm PDT

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I watched your show from the treadmill at the gym and I was shocked you did not nail Ms. Summer where she needed it.This girl was OBVIOUSLY on drugs on the program. She could barely keep her eyes open, nearly rolled her head around like the exorcist. I feel for her parents, what a poor excuse for a daughter. This family really needs to get tough with her, which I think they have by taking away THEIR car. I have seen this manipulation alot, it is very typical of addicts. Sad, Sad, Sad.  

May God be with that poor child of hers as she messes up yet another life!  

This is my very first post, so I hope I did this right. Just had to vent!  

i feel for the parents of summer she might be 29 but i fully understand.  I just left my 26 year old daughter and the 9 year old grandson for the first time she does not know where i am or how to get in touch with me.  She also drinks and drugs and has not car, does not keep a job, ....but i have bailed her out of many problems and it was time for her to grow up.  I am not going into a lot of my life just i feel for u as parents and u have to let her grow up but pray for her and hold no angry.  At same time i do know what it is like to be a addict because i am in recovery myself and it is one day a time.   Thank you
 

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May 18, 2006, 4:37 pm PDT

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... there will be NO real healing.  Just like if you treat the abrasions but neglect to splint the broken leg, ... the skin will heal, but the bone never will.  I've seen this situation time and time again: people go around treating some superficial symptom instead of addressing the real underlying issues, and NO real healing occurs.  It is exactly like putting a bandaid on a broken leg and then wondering why the leg won't *properly* and *completely* heal. 

There are SO many screwed-up family situations nowadays that it's like our entire society is really twisted!!  Our sick society blames the sometimes-grown children for their parents SERIOUS FAILURES as parents!!  In fact, society takes up where the screwed-up parents left off and makes things worse by getting off on blaming the struggling, confused, victimized children.  How sick is that?!!!

NO HEALTHY PERSON CHOOSES TO HURT THEMSELVES!!!!!  I thought Dr Phil used to know that.  But maybe he still doesn't get it??  Whatever his situation, the fact remains that Summer is one hurting kid who needs to feel safe in dumping the obviously toxic relationship w/ her parents ... but it might be awhile before she feels safe enough and free enough to do that.  Kids just don't go and choose to hurt so much that only  being beligerent and acting out and doing drugs  self-calms them enough to keep living!!  Of course we have to set boundaries and consequences for this stuff, but FIRST and FOREMOST we need to be KIND and LOVING parents who are HEALTHY enough to raise HAPPY, LOVING and RESPONSIBLE children!!

EVERY hurting kid we see is the product of a screwed up family system and we need to remember that IF we want to see real healing, real progress in these hurting kids' lives!!
She's not a kid!

And what is Dr Phil supposed to do? One of Dr Phil's most important messages is "you can't change what you don't acknowledge..."...and Summer hasn't acknowledged a damn thing. It's out of EVERYONE'S hands until she admits that her life is HER fault and no one else's.

She's almost 30. Her parents aren't responsible for her anymore. How long should they be held to her and her problems just because they are her parents?
 
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May 19, 2006, 10:48 am PDT

We need to stop the

Too many of the responses I've found here apply blame. To say  this woman's parents are to blame for the troubles in her life would then in essence be exonerating her parents from responsibility. Let me explain - For in using this frame of thinking the blame would then fall upon their parents  who could in turn  "blame" their own parents. This would continue all the way up the Family Tree... on  and on ad nauseum. If everyone is to "blame" then no one is to "blame". 

Herein lies the problem with assigning  blame--
Spending our time and energy finding someone to take the blame is time and energy poorly spent. There is a serious paradox in this. For while the "victim" is  standing still the person whom they attempt to blame is usally moving on with their lives. 

Virtually every one of us is capable of distinguishing what is right and what is wrong. We can discern what things we wish to find in our lives and that which we don't. Most of us are fractured in someway or another  by what "life" has brought into our lives.  How we cope...how we live... how we  choose is our own responsiblity. Until we take ownership of ourselves and our choices we will remain - children. 
 
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May 19, 2006, 3:00 pm PDT

What I'm saying is Dr Phil needs to acknowledge that these kids still hurt, a lot!

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She's not a kid!

And what is Dr Phil supposed to do? One of Dr Phil's most important messages is "you can't change what you don't acknowledge..."...and Summer hasn't acknowledged a damn thing. It's out of EVERYONE'S hands until she admits that her life is HER fault and no one else's.

She's almost 30. Her parents aren't responsible for her anymore. How long should they be held to her and her problems just because they are her parents?
Like I said, of course she's not a kid, but the fact remains that she was so wounded growing up that, in too many ways, she's not functioning well as an adult today.  Yet Dr Phil is in her face about her inability to function ... when, if he's going to be in anyone's fact, he should be in her parents' faces about all the damage they did to her!

Last I heard, kicking people when they are down doesn't help anyone, ever!

Yes, sometimes we all need a good talking to, but more often than not, we just need to be *listened* to, and to feel like we really *matter*!  That seem to be what Summer is really looking for from her parents ... but they don't seem to be able to give her the deep and abiding sense of worth, of knowing that she matters to them.  Instead, they seem to see her as a failure as a daughter and you know what?  She is living DOWN to their very low expectations of her ... so why are they still whining about it?  And why didn't Dr Phil point that out to them?

Summer just wants to feel like her own parents finally accept her for whoever she is ... but she can't get that from them so she will have to get it in counseling at first and from herself eventually.  imho, Dr Phil needs to acknowledge this in his sessions w/ any of the addicts he deals with on his show... he needs to totally acknowledge their original wounding instead of heaping more shame on people who already believe they *are* ALL the bad things that have been done to them... by their own "loving" parents worst of all.
 
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May 19, 2006, 3:19 pm PDT

Been there, done that

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I need an opinion.  I have been with my boyfriend for 2.5 years.  We have been living together a little over a year of that.  I have had immense trouble from his x-wife and also the relationship with his 10 year old daughter.  It’s been a very emotional relationship as far as being accepted into his side of the family.  His x-wife didn’t want the divorce and for years they had a traumatic marriage.  He ran around, cheated and for the life of me I don’t know why she stayed with him.  I knew him before his divorce, he would always tell me he was getting divorced trying to get me to go out with him and I would respond, you get a divorce and maybe we’ll go out.  He eventually moved out and got the divorce and we started dating.  I told him from the onset that I would never tolerate his treatment towards me as his relationship was with her.  In the beginning we did everything we could not to be around anywhere that she would be and considerate of her feelings.  Once we moved in together and she had actually dated others, we were invited to a party at his parent’s friend’s house whom she is friends with their daughter.  She was therefore, invited too.  It was his weekend to have their daughter and we had her with us at the party and had decided we would just stay a little while because of the situation and then leave.  His x-wife was drinking and glaring at me the whole time.  I walked into the house to use the restroom and as I opened the door to come out she was there before I even got the door open on top of me hitting me in the head and ribs with her fists until finally someone pulled her off of me.  I was lodged between the toilet and bathtub from the fall and all I could do was put my arms over my face to protect myself.  She done this with her daughter there, I was shocked.  Because of the circumstance being at his parent’s friend’s house and due to the fact that she’s friend with their daughter nobody would call the police.  Therefore, we immediately left and went to the local Sheriff’s department and I pressed assult charges and then went to the hospital where I had golf ball sized lumps on my head and cracked ribs.  We ended up going to court and my boyfriend’s sister-in-law appeared that day as well along with his x-wife to support her which caused more hard feelings of course.  Once this happened everything, including my relationship with my boyfriend’s daughter became very complicated and has been very painful in many ways over the last year.    

   

  

When I first met his daughter she was accepting of me and liked me.  I got along fine with her and it seemed to be pretty easy going after all the worry about it.  Once this all took place, his daughter was caught up in the middle and basically her mother turned her against me.  She knows full well that we do not like each other and because of that evening we can’t be in the same place.  The x-wife is still on probation and has a restraining order on her to protect me.  She has pushed it several times appearing where we are and calling our house hanging up, it’s been endless.  

   

  

The problem now is I cannot deal with anything that involves the x-wife or the child.  It has made our relationship so difficult that I am afraid in the end it’s going to destroy us.  I don’t’ know how we have made it together enduring everything but somehow we have.  One day, my boyfriend had to work on Saturday so he tells her she can stay with me until he’s home and she gets hysterical and says that if she does, her Mom will ground her and she will be in trouble.  We tried to explain that it wouldn’t be her that got into trouble, if her Mom was going to be mad at anyone it would be us.  Also, we tried to explain that when she is at our house, for his weekend visitations, it’s his decision to make.  This is where the trouble really began.  The problem is anytime he has to work on the weekend, he has to call her Mother and take her home early in the morning or the evening before, or he’ll call all around looking for a sitter.  Because her Mother says she can’t be with me or go anywhere with me, he goes along with this not to complicate things but the only thing it’s doing is hurting me more and more and making me feel despise towards this child because it’s causing us so much trouble.  I rarely talk to her unless I have to, and I keep my distance because frankly I have been hurt more times than I can possibly mention on here over this whole situation.  Last weekend, he had to work and we had her and so he called his sister to come and get her at 10 on Friday night and then picked up back up on Saturday rather than her just stay at the house.  If I were a bad person, if it was not a good environment then I would understand.  I have raised two wonderful children whom are 19 and 21.  My daughter just finished her freshman year in college.  I would never have lost my control so bad with my kids around to assult someone.  She has done so much damage to this child mentally that I fear it will scar her for the rest of her life and to be honest the child is getting to be just like her Mother.  She even called our house one time and insisted to her father that he break up with me because she didn’t like me and that her Mother broke up with her boyfriend because she didn’t like him.  Her mother told a huge lie to her, it was the man that broke it off with her because he didn’t feel she was someone he would like to take home and meet his kids.  The child will do anything that she knows will cause conflict between her father and I.  He is blinded by this whole ordeal and thinks I need to just get over it and that I shouldn’t let any of this bother me.  His justification for not putting his foot down while she’s at our house and just saying look you’ll stay here until I get home is that I wouldn’t have allowed my x-husbands girlfriend to watch my kids while they were little.  I said if they were living together in a serious relationship I would have no choice.  It’s a lost cause and I do try to just harden myself to it and it’s why I have to block the child out as well because I am tired of being made to feel that I am not worthy enough for this child to stay with me.  Although, I am good enough to go shopping for her, cook her dinner, buy her Christmas, birthday gifts, my paycheck goes into this too as well as what he pays in child support.  He does not correct this child, anything she wants, he agrees even if he knows that I don’t agree with it.  I do not try to be her parent, or I do not set her rules as well as I don’t say anything about discipline I don’t feel it’s my place.  I let him do that or not do that it’s not my concern.  He pushes her on me, trying to force me to have a relationship with her, saying you don’t love my daughter when we get into fights over it and he doesn’t even try to understand my feelings.  I see her as her Mother and frankly just a downright spoiled brat.  I know some of this isn’t her fault and I know she’s suffered too, but I just cannot set myself up for anymore hurt by any of them.  I have a huge wall built up.  My problem is, I don’t know how to keep it from affecting our relationship.  I can’t even talk to him about his kid, he’s so blinded and it’s quite sickening the way he goes on about her that I don’t’ want to hear anything about her.  He even has said well your daughter can babysit her and that’s another problem he’ll throw up to me that I think my daughter is perfect and I say I know she isn’t perfect, but she’s mine and I love her and she’s a pretty good kid.  I know she has faults just like they all do.  

   

  

I’m sure someone else has had this type of circumstance with their boyfriend’s kid(s) or stepchildren and how do you handle the x-wife and him going along with her rules because he can’t stand up to her and the bad feelings towards the kid(s).  I feel so immature over it and I keep thinking is it me, my fault why can’t I get over it but I just can’t.  I’m actually going to be going to counseling at the end of the month to get a professional opinion.  I feel very vindictive and angry with the whole situation and it is hurting our relationship.  I’ve seriously considered leaving him to get away from it all.  I’d love to hear from anyone that may have some advice. Good or bad thank you.    

15 years ago, I met a man that turned into what I thought was the love of my life.  That was until I got tangled up with his two kids and an extremely mentally ill ex-wife.  

   

I too, had two children from a previous marriage, ages 20 and 22, when this relationship started.  The exwife dictated to the children what kind of behavior to exibit when they would visit.  Pictures of my furniture in my home ended up in court as assets belonging to my ex-husband, as the youngest was instructed to get pictures of my stuff.  The file cabinet was rifled through, and copies of my taxes, and other asset information was stolen, and delivered to the ex-wife's attorney.  The court battles lasted for over five years.  The emotional toll was extreme.  I will not go into all of the garbage that occured, but it was extensive, and required hospitialization for psychological and emotion issues.  

   

The ordeal was beyond traumatic, and the damage to you will never be undone.   You do not trust this man to support you or your decisions.  Your self confidence is shot, your self esteem is non-existent, and this is provable, because you are still in this relationship.  From one who has walked a mile in your mocassins, run, don't walk, to the nearest exit.  The overriding emotions of abondonment, loss, anger, hurt, frustration, and fear make the reclamation of this relationship almost out of reach.  Save yourself.  You need to claim yourself first, before you need to be in any relationship.   Please do not lose yourself in this choreographed madness.  The longer you stay, the harder it is to recover.  Congratulations for recognizing that you are in deep, and need an out.  Give yourself the permission to be a whole person, that is happy, joyful, elated, and a maverlous human being.  

   

I am rooting for you!  

 

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May 19, 2006, 5:12 pm PDT

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Like I said, of course she's not a kid, but the fact remains that she was so wounded growing up that, in too many ways, she's not functioning well as an adult today.  Yet Dr Phil is in her face about her inability to function ... when, if he's going to be in anyone's fact, he should be in her parents' faces about all the damage they did to her!

Last I heard, kicking people when they are down doesn't help anyone, ever!

Yes, sometimes we all need a good talking to, but more often than not, we just need to be *listened* to, and to feel like we really *matter*!  That seem to be what Summer is really looking for from her parents ... but they don't seem to be able to give her the deep and abiding sense of worth, of knowing that she matters to them.  Instead, they seem to see her as a failure as a daughter and you know what?  She is living DOWN to their very low expectations of her ... so why are they still whining about it?  And why didn't Dr Phil point that out to them?

Summer just wants to feel like her own parents finally accept her for whoever she is ... but she can't get that from them so she will have to get it in counseling at first and from herself eventually.  imho, Dr Phil needs to acknowledge this in his sessions w/ any of the addicts he deals with on his show... he needs to totally acknowledge their original wounding instead of heaping more shame on people who already believe they *are* ALL the bad things that have been done to them... by their own "loving" parents worst of all.

I think you are assuming too many things.  We don't know that her parents wounded her at all.  They must have screwed up but we don't know whether Summer's parents were ineffectual or evil.  Regardless of the parent's input, Summer now has the responsibility to make what she can of the rest of her life.   

  

I agree that Dr Phil's "in your face" approach didn't work with Summer, but he has been successful in getting people to focus on the real problem with that approach.  Dr Phil was right not to waste time on how she got there,  Summer is wasting her energy blaming her parents.  Even if they acknowleged it and said-"ok, it's our fault, we're sorry" Summer is still the only person who can do the work she needs to build a successful life for herself.  If she wastes another 10 years not doing the work and blaming her parents instead, she will just get older...she won't grow up. 

 
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