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Topic : 08/31 Son-in-Law vs. Mother-in-Law

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(Original Air Date: 05/15/06) They’re bound by marriage but at war with each other. Anneka and her husband, Michael, are no longer on speaking terms with Anneka’s mother, Marcia. They say Marcia hates Michael and wants him out of the picture. Marcia says Michael condescends to her, questions her parenting and is brainwashing her daughter. Is it right that Anneka and Michael refuse to let Marcia see her grandchild? Will the couple agree to give Marcia access? Plus, Anneka has a dark secret from her past. Could a terrifying incident be the cause of their current conflict? Will this family agree to find a middle ground for the sake of the baby? Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

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May 15, 2006, 4:07 pm PDT

Excellent post.

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 Many pediatricians and  allergist advise parents  to not give their children peanut butter until they are at least 2-3 years old.

The main reason is to prevent peanut allergy, and it applies especially when the child is at high risk of developing food allergies - for example, if the child has had reactions to other foods or formula, have have medical conditions with a strong association with allergies (such as eczema, hayfever and/or atshma) or family members with these conditions.

The peanut butter restriction may not be necessary if the child is not at high risk of food allergy - however,  some kids who are not high risk nonetheless have strong reactions to peanut products when they are introduced. Moreover, Most allergists believe that the earlier that you are exposed to a food, the more likely that you may develop an allergy to that food.

The best  (safest) course is probably to wait to feed a child peanut butter.

And I would point out  - if the parents say no peanut butter,  it doesn't really matter how controversial or not the medical risks are.   There is no excuse for allowing the child to eat peanut butter in direct defiance of a mother's and father's instruciton,  since there are plenty of other nutritious and tasty things for a child to eat.
Children develop food allergies when they are fed foods before their GI tracts are mature enough to handle these foods.  One reason there are so many peanut allergies is because children were fed peanut butter long before their GI tracts were ready.  And absolutely, if a parent says don't feed a child X, then the grandparent needs to respect that. 
 
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May 15, 2006, 4:07 pm PDT

I cannot believe what I have heard

Everyone is going on about he said/she said/they said.  If this family goes into therapy, this mother and daughter must deal with the rape.  The daughter needs to deal with this.  I understand that if the mother didn't properly deal with the rape, how is her daughter and husband supposed to allowe her carte blanche with their daughter.  It happened once, it can happen again.  

  

It disturbs me that a mother would brush something like that under the carpet.  But then, my ex-husband had family who believed their actual mothers were their siblings.  This daughter is old enough to be my daughter, which means that the law didn't think much of child abuse.  However, that doesn't mean the mother should have pushed it aside "because it's family."    

  

Anyway, this issue needs to be dealt with first and foremost.  

 
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May 15, 2006, 4:08 pm PDT

05/15 Son-in-Law vs. Mother-in-Law

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Mother in law and grandparent bashing seems to be a favorite passtime in here.  What about rude, disrespectful, arrogant, abusive, know-it-all adult children who only want to use you????!!!  You better believe I put up a wall..a BIG one!  I don't get to see my grandchildren.  This is the "price" I have to pay for freedom and peace in my life.  My son demands that I cater to his wife, running errands for her because she does not want to take the children out, and doing any hard, heavy work that she is "too good" to do.  All this and more, while they were living rent free in my home that I provided for them.  However, when I once asked him to take a look at my printer for me, his response was that I should buy a new one.  When I became physically ill, after losing my husband and my mother in close succession, I was called a liar about being ill, and told I was only "making excuses" to get out of helping them  with babysitting and other chores.  I never, ever interferred in their lives and I was accused of "not caring".  I never lived with them and never imposed in any way.  I would never try to break them up, because they both so thoroughly deserve each other.   

  

I am SO tired of seeing mothers and grandparents portrayed as needy, clingy, oh-so-dependent old monsters who just HAVE to live vicariously through a couple of  assinine little twits! 

 The problem is, there are a lot of the mothers, MILS and GP who are needy, clingy and bossy and know-it alls, as well as being rude and who treat the spouse of their child like dirt. That also would include the siblings of their child. I have lived it.

Things are better now, but it was only after I put my foot down and basically told them all off. I deserve to be treated with basic human respect, like anyone else.

If you are as good as you are saying, I would appreciate a MIL like you. I am sorry you have had problems, but please do not consider all of our posts as just "bashing". Some of us really have had it rough, like you.
 
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May 15, 2006, 4:12 pm PDT

Yikes!

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Mother in law and grandparent bashing seems to be a favorite passtime in here.  What about rude, disrespectful, arrogant, abusive, know-it-all adult children who only want to use you????!!!  You better believe I put up a wall..a BIG one!  I don't get to see my grandchildren.  This is the "price" I have to pay for freedom and peace in my life.  My son demands that I cater to his wife, running errands for her because she does not want to take the children out, and doing any hard, heavy work that she is "too good" to do.  All this and more, while they were living rent free in my home that I provided for them.  However, when I once asked him to take a look at my printer for me, his response was that I should buy a new one.  When I became physically ill, after losing my husband and my mother in close succession, I was called a liar about being ill, and told I was only "making excuses" to get out of helping them  with babysitting and other chores.  I never, ever interferred in their lives and I was accused of "not caring".  I never lived with them and never imposed in any way.  I would never try to break them up, because they both so thoroughly deserve each other.   

  

I am SO tired of seeing mothers and grandparents portrayed as needy, clingy, oh-so-dependent old monsters who just HAVE to live vicariously through a couple of  assinine little twits! 

Deal with your own issues. Have you ever sat by and let your son be sexually abused? Appleas and oranges here!
 
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May 15, 2006, 4:12 pm PDT

I'd cut him out first

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I need a little advice! My bil has been married 3 times in the last 6 years and we ( me husband and children) became close to his last wife and we love her. My kids call her Aunt ...... mind you he is nuts very controlling and abusive. They all divorsed him. He said if we remain friends with her he will cut us out of his life he did not even invite us to Easter with the rest of the family! What do we do?

No great loss there in my opinion!   

  

Why do you care what a nutcase, controlling and abusive man thinks anyway?  You should distance yourself from these kinds of people whenever possible.   

  

This man has some nerve thinking he has the right to tell you who you will or won't associate with - get a backbone and lose this loser. 

 
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May 15, 2006, 4:13 pm PDT

05/15 Son-in-Law vs. Mother-in-Law

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Mother in law and grandparent bashing seems to be a favorite passtime in here.  What about rude, disrespectful, arrogant, abusive, know-it-all adult children who only want to use you????!!!  You better believe I put up a wall..a BIG one!  I don't get to see my grandchildren.  This is the "price" I have to pay for freedom and peace in my life.  My son demands that I cater to his wife, running errands for her because she does not want to take the children out, and doing any hard, heavy work that she is "too good" to do.  All this and more, while they were living rent free in my home that I provided for them.  However, when I once asked him to take a look at my printer for me, his response was that I should buy a new one.  When I became physically ill, after losing my husband and my mother in close succession, I was called a liar about being ill, and told I was only "making excuses" to get out of helping them  with babysitting and other chores.  I never, ever interferred in their lives and I was accused of "not caring".  I never lived with them and never imposed in any way.  I would never try to break them up, because they both so thoroughly deserve each other.   

  

I am SO tired of seeing mothers and grandparents portrayed as needy, clingy, oh-so-dependent old monsters who just HAVE to live vicariously through a couple of  assinine little twits! 

I'm sure there is a lot more to the story, but I wish you well.  If he is still asking you to run errands, why not ask if you can watch the kids while she runs her errands... and if they want, have a date together without the kids?  This is, as long as you want to do this.  There is give in take in all relationships.  I wish my parents were still alive to enjoy seeing my son grow up.  But there is no way I would leave my son alone with my mother in law (long history, that I am not getting in to here.  This was my husband's decision).
 
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May 15, 2006, 4:13 pm PDT

Mother-in- law clearly has boarderline personality dis.

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Dr. Phil,  

  The reason women don't go on and on about molestation or rape because that means it is more attention drawn on themselves.  People focus on her instead of the person that did it.  Everything becomes about her.  Her mother should have given her a voice but didn't.  That was wrong.  Not justifying the victims feelings makes it more frustrating.  But you telling Anaca (not sure of the spelling) that she will regret it if her mother dies and Anaca never tried to resolve the relationship is WRONG , so wrong.   Who cares.  That is just another guilt trip.  I am really frustrated right now and maybe not making sense.  Anyways, you are making this Anaca's problem.  Another reason for
Anaca to feel she did something wrong. Why should she have to have a relationship with her mother.  She probably has no real feelings for her except guilt knowing you are supposed to love your mother and I bet deep in her heart the only reason she even attempts to communicate with her mother is because that is how a mother-daughter relationship is supposed to be.  It becomes another something you do for other people instead of something you do for yourself.  Well Anaca, stand by your man and just worry about your own life.  Maybe let your mother see her but with a few rules.  NO unwanted visitors allowed or the relationship with the granddaughter will end immediately.  Do a drop off and pick up without getting emotionally involved with your mother.  You don't need to have a relationship with your mother in order for her to have one with her granddaughter.  And she will most likely be better with her granddaughter than she was with you.  My parents treat my daughter better than they ever treated me otherwise they would not see her at all.  Now this is turning into a story about me and that is not what I want.  The bottom line is that Anaca does not need to have a relationship with her mother in order for her mother to have one with Anaca's daughter.  Anaca can just live her life and her mom can just mind her own business and just enjoy and be grateful of the opportunities that Anaca and her husband allow her to have.  Make conversations with your mother short and to the point.  I will drop my daughter off at this time and I will pick her up at this time.  Stand inside the door, say goodbye, go inside the door (and only just inside the door) to pick her up.  Say hello and goodbye without your daughter sensing tension.  Only focus on your daughter.  That is all you need to do.  It will stop your mother from threatening to sue for visitation or whatever she is doing ( I only caught the second half of the show) and it will give you and your husband an evening out to dinner and a show.  Don't get personal with your mother or tell her anything personal.  Then you can't and shouldn't feel guilty about the way the relationship is.  It doesn't have to be more than that for you Anaca, to feel good.  

I agree...I'm no psychiatrist, but the mother-in-law seems to have severe personality disorders.  From what I've read, people who say, "no don't worry about this or that," and then slam that person for not doing it to another person later, is clearly "splitting".  The way the mil blamed everyone else around her without taking any responsibility was also clear indicator, along with the lies and games. All signs of boarderline personality disorder. Dr. Phil has to know about BPDs and I think this subject would make a very enlightening show.  There are so many people who suffer with loved ones who have this disorder. It is a very frustrating, and difficult predicament to be in, and the healthy family members need to know that they are ok and how to set boundaries when dealing with these people.  Didn't you think it was interesting that the step father looked like a deer in headlights not able to give an opinion....he's been beaten into submission by his wife's emotional blackmail.  This disorder needs to be brought out in the open so hurting people can start to get help. This couple has been in turmoil because of the caotic effects of a mentally unstable loved one, and now Dr. Phil has made them feel even worse.  I'm frustrated also! 

 
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May 15, 2006, 4:13 pm PDT

05/15 Son-in-Law vs. Mother-in-Law

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I agree with you. This mother is soooooo toxic and way off base that I logged on for the first time ever. I didn't want Anneka and Michael to feel "too" responsible for the ridiculous: what is it, you can't find sense in nonsense! The mother isn't responsible enough and this loving couple can't make up for this mother's brokenness. I know I wouldn't sleep and my spirit wouldn't rest until I voiced my opinion. Anneka and Michael, you're on the right track, cling to health, reason, and don't question your faculties. If you wouldn't accept that behavior from a stranger, you shouldn't take it from family. Protect yourselves.
I signed up today to comment on this show - I couldn't agree with you more. I also couldn't believe that Dr. Phil didn't absolutely let the mother-in-law  "have-it." We went through much less tramatic problems with my wifes mother. After 23 years of marriage, the mother-in-law has finally started to accept that her 44 year old daughter (mother of a 20 and 16 year old) might actually be capable of being an adult. For a number of years we also heard the tales of me "brainwashing" my wife against the mother-in-law. We still live a completely compomised relationship with the mother in law. If my wife sets some boundaries, it costs about 2 weeks of guilt before the mother in law comes to accept the boundaries.

Again, IMHO, the mother in law is completely infantile.
 

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May 15, 2006, 4:14 pm PDT

Exactly.

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Do you truly believe Anneka is not interested in punishing her mother any way she can? I congratulate you for your relationship with your parents, but a lot of teens and young women have issues with their mothers. I just think no one is completely blameless when anger runs over like it does between these two supposedly grown women.
Anneka is still p.o.'d about the rape issue & withholding visitation out of anger.  "Protecting" the grandchild makes it sound like virtuous behavior.  If protecting the grandchild was the true issue, they would allow supervised visitations.  I'm glad to see someone on the board who sees the issue as a 2-way street as opposed to Marsha 100% wrong & Michael & Anneka 100% right.  Bravo to Dr. Phil for seeing the complexities of the issue & the role that ALL parties are playing in the conflict. 
 
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May 15, 2006, 4:16 pm PDT

05/15 Son-in-Law vs. Mother-in-Law

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Lots of bullying going on here, on both sides. 

  

Why are you hostile? 

  

How can anyone make peace with this attitude? 

  

Period?! Wow. Here come to know it all parents. 

  

Remember, your children are watching you, friend. There is such a thing as sitting down with your kids and explaining that situations happen in families. All this breastbeating is sickening to me--and usually it comes from men who are in love with their "roles" as the big, bad daddies. Actually, it hardly ever works. 

  

Kids deserve to see their grandmas and grandpas once in a while. Can't you budge off your high horse? 

  

By the way, many states disagree with your assessment about grandparent's rights to see their grandchildren. Sorry about that. 

 Sorry to disappoint you, but those stupid grandparents rights are quickly becoming a thing of the past, as they should be. No one should have the right to tell others what to do with their kids, or see the kids without the PARENT's permission.

Perhaps some GPs need to shut up, accept that they are not the parent or boss and act decently. 

Kids deserve to be around people who will love them, and who treat others with respect. I would not want my children around anyone who would disparage me to them or in front of them.
 
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