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(Original Air Date: 05/16/06) Are you married to a man who doesn't know how good he has it? You do the cooking, the cleaning, take care of the kids, and he still takes you for granted? After seven years, Amy finds herself in a marriage where she is expected to wait on her husband hand and foot, and never voice her opinion. Her husband, Greg, is a self-proclaimed male chauvinist pig, and says his wife's job is to take care of the family without questioning his role as "king" of the house. Amy says if Greg doesn't learn to treat her like his equal and not his servant, she's going to divorce him. Dr. Phil sends in a Relationship Rescue team of strong women to teach Greg a lesson! While Amy is sent off on a special trip to build her self-esteem, Greg gets three new "wives" who give him a dose of his own medicine as they put him through all that he demands of his wife on a daily basis. Will he finally see Amy as his equal and become a better spouse in the process? Talk about the show here.

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May 18, 2006, 9:39 am PDT

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Amy didn't mind cooking dinner.  

 Lets say for arguments sake, that dinner was part of her work day. They eat together and spend time with the kids and then quality time together.  He says thank you and she says thank you.  You know, be husband and wife and parents.  Who wouldn't mind cooking for a loving husband like that.  This is not what happened!  He is served his food, watches TV, has little to do with the kids and then criticizes his meals and everything else she does.  This was about him demeaning everyone around him and not even doing his part as "THE MAN " of the house.   Trust me Greg has very little to offer other than his cruel jokes.  If he wold become the man he was meant to be, then he may have something to offer a woman.  Most women respond to respect and love and would give you their right arm for it.   

 I think the main focus here needs not to be on the details such as whether or not dinner was on the table or even how well she was doing her stay at home mom duties but as Rebecca said on the lack of love and respect that Greg was giving to his wife. This show was on saving this marriage that was being threatened by the disrepespect and hurtful statements Greg was givng to his wife.
Thanks Rebecca for keeping the focus on what really amtters and awesoem job on the show i hope your help made him realize his wrongs and that he will change. All you ladies did and awesome job.
 
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May 18, 2006, 9:42 am PDT

I think you are missing the point....

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I don't think anywhere in my post that I said my husband's day was done when he came home from work.  LOL  I feel like a lot of people are trying to read into my post. 

 

I said more than once that the husband on the show was a complete jerk and I wouldn't deal with someone like that in my life. 

 

My husband DOES clear away his own plate, rinses it, and puts it in the dishwasher.  My children do the pots and pans.  My husband then finds usually finds a house project to do because we're in the middle of renovations.  My husband is NOT the type of guy to sit and be served.  He's a doer and I like doing for him.  He deserves it and appreciates it. 

 

He'd do whatever I asked and a lot without even asking.  Hope I'm clear now. 

I said more than once that the husband on the show was a complete jerk and I wouldn't deal with someone like that in my life.  

  

THAT is the only real point.....this guy was treating his wife like a servant, not a partner. Her home was clean!!! She cooked. And there is also a 5 year old girl PLUS a son from his previous marriage. 

  

When you see the clip of him complaining about the lack of dinner aroma, we have no idea what time of day it was or what else had gone on that day. What we do see is her serving him dinner on a tray! 

  

It always amazes me when other women trash a SAHM for daring to want their husbands to lift a finger, and the go on to brag about how THEIR husbands help out and how THEY would never put up with a jerk!! If you deserve to appreciated and respected, why doesn't she? If you wouldn't put up with the jerk, why are you so quick to "see his point" when it is her not wanting to put up with the jerk? 

 
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May 18, 2006, 10:02 am PDT

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I don't know what to say to you. It's great you are so efficient and great at your job. I'm not!

Maybe in your opinion I spend too much time with my daughter.  I find that more valuable then any other way to spend my time. I'd rather spend an hour reading and playing with my daughter then doing housework or cooking.

And guess what, my husband would rather that too.

I just think you are making really nasty judgements on people who

A- Don't have your obvious talent for home making.
B- Don't have the same values as you.
C- Don't have husband who have the same values as you.

And NONE of this justifies the cruel demeaning comments made by the husband on this show. 
You sound like a wonderful mother, don't let completre strangers get to you. I am the mother of my children and the wife of my husband and they are the only people who I need to please and to make happy and I am doing that.....no, I do not sew, but I do scrapbooking LOL. I do not have food on the table every night ready to be served when hubby gets in the door but food is ALWAYS available at all times, there is always something good to eat and he has absolutely no problem with pitching in........................Yesterday, the girls and I ran errands and went to the library, we did some chores in the house and when the time came to start dinner, I called the hubby and told him where to meet us for dinner as the restaurante we went to has kids night on Wednesday nights where they eat free and play games and color, we had a nice dinner to gether, the two of us while the girls played, LOL. The three of them went out together afterwards and I came home and finsihed up some work, believe me, I took advantage of the quiet time..............Today, I have been washing up all the comforters and curtains, and spending time with the girls, LOTS OF TIME! They are now taking some time watching a show while I type this message, the three of us will be going upstairs in a bit to fix lunch together and then we will so some reading and dancin together, then who knows what? maybe a chore? why do shores when I can go out sode and make mud pies which is what my 3 year old likes doing........................gotta go. have a great day Purplepain and enjoy your little one!
 

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May 18, 2006, 10:17 am PDT

05/16 The Divorce Experiment

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You sound like a wonderful mother, don't let completre strangers get to you. I am the mother of my children and the wife of my husband and they are the only people who I need to please and to make happy and I am doing that.....no, I do not sew, but I do scrapbooking LOL. I do not have food on the table every night ready to be served when hubby gets in the door but food is ALWAYS available at all times, there is always something good to eat and he has absolutely no problem with pitching in........................Yesterday, the girls and I ran errands and went to the library, we did some chores in the house and when the time came to start dinner, I called the hubby and told him where to meet us for dinner as the restaurante we went to has kids night on Wednesday nights where they eat free and play games and color, we had a nice dinner to gether, the two of us while the girls played, LOL. The three of them went out together afterwards and I came home and finsihed up some work, believe me, I took advantage of the quiet time..............Today, I have been washing up all the comforters and curtains, and spending time with the girls, LOTS OF TIME! They are now taking some time watching a show while I type this message, the three of us will be going upstairs in a bit to fix lunch together and then we will so some reading and dancin together, then who knows what? maybe a chore? why do shores when I can go out sode and make mud pies which is what my 3 year old likes doing........................gotta go. have a great day Purplepain and enjoy your little one!
Thank you Jetta.

Jetta, you are an amazing woman. You and I see so many parts of life in such a different way but you are always kind and understanding and sweet. Those are the best qualities to have for any human being, but especially a mother.

I guess all I should have said to that other poster is that I am a mother first and a wife second and my husband wouldn't be married to someone who wasn't that way.

I have low self esteem about many things, but not about being a mother. I think I'm a damn good one.

Thank you Jetta...you always make me feel better!

I better go too. I spent way too much time here on the computer this morning. Time for Emma and I to go "swimming"   (I have a baby pool on my pourch now that it's too hot to play outside.)
 
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May 18, 2006, 10:29 am PDT

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I don't know what to say to you. It's great you are so efficient and great at your job. I'm not!

Maybe in your opinion I spend too much time with my daughter.  I find that more valuable then any other way to spend my time. I'd rather spend an hour reading and playing with my daughter then doing housework or cooking.

And guess what, my husband would rather that too.

I just think you are making really nasty judgements on people who

A- Don't have your obvious talent for home making.
B- Don't have the same values as you.
C- Don't have husband who have the same values as you.

And NONE of this justifies the cruel demeaning comments made by the husband on this show. 

I spent time with both of my kids when they were small.  I used to be a part-time volunteer in the classroom ... 5 days a week, 4 hours a day.  Now they're in middle school so this no longer applies. 

 

Just because I'm a good multi-tasker doesn't make me a bad person. 

 

You're the one who came out swinging, not me.  As a matter-of-fact, I told you flat out I wasn't going to argue about this. 

 

The women here who do what I do will think I'm right and the women here who do what you do, will think you're right.  That's just how it is, but BECAUSE we're grown women, I don't believe a feud would do any of us justice. 

 

I was just letting you know exactly where I was coming from and defending myself and my husband against the "nasty judgments" (as you said) against us.  Whoever didn't see that just didn't want to see things the way they really were and that's fine with me.   

 

OK, it's a beautiful day here so I'm going back to the garden.  Have a good one! 

 
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May 18, 2006, 10:37 am PDT

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I said more than once that the husband on the show was a complete jerk and I wouldn't deal with someone like that in my life.  

  

THAT is the only real point.....this guy was treating his wife like a servant, not a partner. Her home was clean!!! She cooked. And there is also a 5 year old girl PLUS a son from his previous marriage. 

  

When you see the clip of him complaining about the lack of dinner aroma, we have no idea what time of day it was or what else had gone on that day. What we do see is her serving him dinner on a tray! 

  

It always amazes me when other women trash a SAHM for daring to want their husbands to lift a finger, and the go on to brag about how THEIR husbands help out and how THEY would never put up with a jerk!! If you deserve to appreciated and respected, why doesn't she? If you wouldn't put up with the jerk, why are you so quick to "see his point" when it is her not wanting to put up with the jerk? 

This shows what I mean.  You're getting angry and putting in how you "think" I feel to how I really feel.  You can completely think this husband is a jerk and STILL find something he said that you agree with yourself.  You can do this with most people if you just try.  The first step is to try though.   

 

I don't look at people and say, "Wow, she's a bitch.  Nothing she says will have merit in my life."  Nope.  I wouldn't watch Oprah religiously if I believed that statement. 

 

Let me spell it out for those who like to bicker, I never said this woman SHOULD stay with her husband.  That's not for me to say ... that's for her to figure out.  Everything he said and did made me cringe, but she's been staying in it for years.  Why?  Does she love him?  If she does, then that's up to her.  It wouldn't be for me. 

 

I just don't agree with the SAHM attitude of "I don't need to cook dinner or do all the laundry or clean," but that's MY belief.  Just mine.  OK, a few others here had it and now I realize why they were shy in voicing it.  Haha! 

 

Keep smiling.  =) 

 
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May 18, 2006, 10:51 am PDT

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I have enjoyed reading your comments.  I also have a wonderful husband who helps out, but the real point of this experiment was to let Greg see how he is emotionally killing his wife and children.  The yelling and criticizing about the house work, was just to let him know how it feels not to be appreciated when you are doing the work.  He said to me that kids are like dogs, if you train them right in the beginning, they will do what you want them to later.  Well he is training his children how to  live in fear of never being good enough and that they mean the same as his two dogs do.  These are delicate Little souls and they need to know that there father will love them for who they are not just because they folded something perfectly.  He needs to learn how to be a husband and father.  He needs to deal with his issues because he is too old to be taking them out on other people.  There is no excuse for abuse!  There is no excuse for abuse!  ***Rebecca***

This show was not about being a good house wife.   

Any woman would love to do the so called "WIFE" duties if there husband was doing his part.  Can't you people see that Greg is not fluffing his part as a husband and father?  Anyone can go to work for 8 hour a day and come home and watch TV,drink beer, have someone to wait on him and not give back anything but money, but I think that is called a bachelor not a husband and father.  What if you went to work every day and your boss screamed at you and told you you were worthless in front of everyone,  How long would you want to do your job?  Amy is so depressed and broken down that she throws up every time Greg walks through the door.  Sure she should be strong like all of you other women, but God made us all different and that is what makes the world go around.  Hopefully she gets stronger.  I'm tiered of woman beating each other women down just because they are not as perfect they think they should be.  Try giving words of encouragement.  There is no excuse for any human to treat another human like crap and that is what Greg is doing to his entire family.  It's great to have different opinions from other people and everyone thinks theirs is the right one, but when you start to judge other people because they are not like you, that's when your opinion becomes wrong.   Try to say a kind word or two instead of beating her down like Greg does.  This guy is wrong and that's all there is to it. 

 
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May 18, 2006, 11:17 am PDT

I'm not angry....

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This shows what I mean.  You're getting angry and putting in how you "think" I feel to how I really feel.  You can completely think this husband is a jerk and STILL find something he said that you agree with yourself.  You can do this with most people if you just try.  The first step is to try though.   

 

I don't look at people and say, "Wow, she's a bitch.  Nothing she says will have merit in my life."  Nope.  I wouldn't watch Oprah religiously if I believed that statement. 

 

Let me spell it out for those who like to bicker, I never said this woman SHOULD stay with her husband.  That's not for me to say ... that's for her to figure out.  Everything he said and did made me cringe, but she's been staying in it for years.  Why?  Does she love him?  If she does, then that's up to her.  It wouldn't be for me. 

 

I just don't agree with the SAHM attitude of "I don't need to cook dinner or do all the laundry or clean," but that's MY belief.  Just mine.  OK, a few others here had it and now I realize why they were shy in voicing it.  Haha! 

 

Keep smiling.  =) 

...these are boards for debating....and I do enjoy debating!! 

  

Your posts as to what a SAHM should do are on the board for THIS COUPLE, therefore, it is not putting in how I think you feel, it's applying your statements to this particular couple. If you were posting on a general SAHM board, it would be a different story. Greg had no point because Amy is cleaning, cooking, etc. He was just being a jackass about it. What did you see that was so deficient? 

  

As a SAHM of two very young boys, I DO most of the cleaning, all the cooking and laundry. It just makes more sense that way in my family....I don't know any SAHM's with a do-nothing attitude - apparently they lurk everywhere as everyone else seems to be tripping over them!! I think there's a BIG difference between not doing ANYTHING and doing EVERYTHING!  

  

My children are awake 10+ hours a day, so yes, I'm "working" because I am directly supervising and caring for my children while I'm cooking, cleaning, etc. Sure there are small breaks here and there, but that's true in any job. 

 
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May 18, 2006, 11:22 am PDT

Thanks Rebecca

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This show was not about being a good house wife.   

Any woman would love to do the so called "WIFE" duties if there husband was doing his part.  Can't you people see that Greg is not fluffing his part as a husband and father?  Anyone can go to work for 8 hour a day and come home and watch TV,drink beer, have someone to wait on him and not give back anything but money, but I think that is called a bachelor not a husband and father.  What if you went to work every day and your boss screamed at you and told you you were worthless in front of everyone,  How long would you want to do your job?  Amy is so depressed and broken down that she throws up every time Greg walks through the door.  Sure she should be strong like all of you other women, but God made us all different and that is what makes the world go around.  Hopefully she gets stronger.  I'm tiered of woman beating each other women down just because they are not as perfect they think they should be.  Try giving words of encouragement.  There is no excuse for any human to treat another human like crap and that is what Greg is doing to his entire family.  It's great to have different opinions from other people and everyone thinks theirs is the right one, but when you start to judge other people because they are not like you, that's when your opinion becomes wrong.   Try to say a kind word or two instead of beating her down like Greg does.  This guy is wrong and that's all there is to it. 

I enjoy your input  since you got a much better perspective on this couple than the rest of us. I would just add one thing.....  

  

What if you went to work every day and your boss screamed at you and told you you were worthless in front of everyone,  How long would you want to do your job? 

  

....and how much would you want to crawl into bed with your abusive boss? 

  

Men like Greg don't get what they are really missing out on. Being a partner in a marriage where you have true intimacy, respect and fun trumps being a lonely "king" any day!!! 

 

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May 18, 2006, 11:27 am PDT

THIS was your first post in this thread.

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This may not be popular opinion, but although the husband seems like a complete jerk, he has a point.  My husband works full-time so that I can stay home with the kids.   I feel it's my duty to keep a clean home, to take care of the kids, the shopping, and the errands.  Most importantly, he always has a hot dinner on the table when he gets home from work.  Is this old fashioned?  Perhaps, but I feel it's the ethical thing to do.  Whether my children were babies or toddler or teens, I've always believed this and been able to do it.   

 

No matter how big or small my home, I've maintained it and all that includes while my husband works his butt off for us.  Granted, my husband is appreciative and compliments what I do at home, but regardless, it's still what I feel should be done. 

 

I really get tired of stay-at-home moms feeling they shouldn't do what they're doing or that their husbands should come home and cook for the family.  That's ridiculous and unfair. 

 

Let me be sure to repeat, today's husband was a complete jerk and I wouldn't live with a guy who believed as he does and insults instead of compliments, BUT he has a point.  If your guy is working for the family, a woman who ISN'T working should do the rest.  Period. 

You are the one who "came out swinging"...You are the one who made judgemental remarks and snide comments.

So you 'defending yourself' comment is wrong and uncalled for.

Why can't you realize that you are probably really amazing at your job? You can do a hell of a lot more then me! That doesn't give you a right to call me a liar and tell me I do NOT work 10 hours a day!  I DO! Maybe you are just better at it.

But you said things like:

"I really get tired of stay-at-home moms feeling they shouldn't do what they're doing or that their husbands should come home and cook for the family.  That's ridiculous and unfair."

"If your guy is working for the family, a woman who ISN'T working should do the rest.  Period."

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Most importantly, he always has a hot dinner on the table when he gets home from work."

You expect that people aren't going to reply to you? You made the first hostile comments here hon. Admit that please.

Also, for the last time...you are you and I am me...You are obviously good at the home maker stuff. I'm obviously not as good as you are.

I'm SURE there are things I do better then you! Should I hold you to MY standard of what I do well? I've been singing my whole life, I am very good at it, I've won competitions and been in an award winning chior. Should I hold everyone to that standard? Should I tell everyone who can't sing as well as me that they are simply lying? That they really can sing well but they aren't doing it because they are lazy? Or what about people who don't LIKE to sing, should I tell them that they SHOULD?

I'm not home because I like to iron and wash and cook...I HATE THAT STUFF...I'm home because I feel that my daughter should be raised by ME. It's a sacrifice I've made, a choice I made. And I take GREAT offense when people try to tell me that I'm LYING.
 
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