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(Original Air Date: 05/16/06) Are you married to a man who doesn't know how good he has it? You do the cooking, the cleaning, take care of the kids, and he still takes you for granted? After seven years, Amy finds herself in a marriage where she is expected to wait on her husband hand and foot, and never voice her opinion. Her husband, Greg, is a self-proclaimed male chauvinist pig, and says his wife's job is to take care of the family without questioning his role as "king" of the house. Amy says if Greg doesn't learn to treat her like his equal and not his servant, she's going to divorce him. Dr. Phil sends in a Relationship Rescue team of strong women to teach Greg a lesson! While Amy is sent off on a special trip to build her self-esteem, Greg gets three new "wives" who give him a dose of his own medicine as they put him through all that he demands of his wife on a daily basis. Will he finally see Amy as his equal and become a better spouse in the process? Talk about the show here.

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May 22, 2006, 7:50 pm PDT

05/16 The Divorce Experiment

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I don't understand your post. I was pretty much saying what you are saying. She said she had to stay with her husband and she didn't have a choice. I am telling her she DOES have a choice.
Oh..I see...I read her orginal post wrong. I thought she was saying she can't change the fact that he is her husband....LOL...MY BAD!
 
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May 23, 2006, 10:08 am PDT

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Oh..I see...I read her orginal post wrong. I thought she was saying she can't change the fact that he is her husband....LOL...MY BAD!
I had a feeling it was an error because you usually put up pretty good posts.
 
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May 23, 2006, 12:48 pm PDT

Angry all the time.

I just wanted some of your guys advice.  I have been married for 18 years, have three beautiful girls, 17, 7, and 4.  I have lived with physical and mental abuse off and on for the last 18 years.  I have currently moved out and I seem fine about it especially if he leaves me alone.  Well we all know that will never happen.  Im not saying it's all his fault but his reactions are the cause of my reactions.  The girls are happy to be out too. they are tired of their mom getting hurt.   

  

He has made all these promises like the ones he made three times before.  Him saying I love you, lets go to counciling, I promise to treat you like a queen, etc....  Most of me really doesn't want to be there.  Like I told him, when I kiss him, nothing is there, when I hug him nothing is there.  I don't know if its just covered by anger or I really do not feel anything.   Of he doesn't want to listen to anything I have to say.  He just says stop this craziness and come home and love me.  

  

I guess a small part of me is afraid of what he will do if I actually cut the string.  I don't want any harm to come to me or the girls. Also I have been with him for so long that maybe I don't know how to leave him. 

  

Im just at a loss on what to do. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. 

  

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Kimberly P. 

 
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May 23, 2006, 12:48 pm PDT

Angry all the time.

I just wanted some of your guys advice.  I have been married for 18 years, have three beautiful girls, 17, 7, and 4.  I have lived with physical and mental abuse off and on for the last 18 years.  I have currently moved out and I seem fine about it especially if he leaves me alone.  Well we all know that will never happen.  Im not saying it's all his fault but his reactions are the cause of my reactions.  The girls are happy to be out too. they are tired of their mom getting hurt.   

  

He has made all these promises like the ones he made three times before.  Him saying I love you, lets go to counciling, I promise to treat you like a queen, etc....  Most of me really doesn't want to be there.  Like I told him, when I kiss him, nothing is there, when I hug him nothing is there.  I don't know if its just covered by anger or I really do not feel anything.   Of he doesn't want to listen to anything I have to say.  He just says stop this craziness and come home and love me.  

  

I guess a small part of me is afraid of what he will do if I actually cut the string.  I don't want any harm to come to me or the girls. Also I have been with him for so long that maybe I don't know how to leave him. 

  

Im just at a loss on what to do. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. 

  

Thanks 

Kimberly P. 

 
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May 23, 2006, 12:49 pm PDT

Angry all the time.

I just wanted some of your guys advice.  I have been married for 18 years, have three beautiful girls, 17, 7, and 4.  I have lived with physical and mental abuse off and on for the last 18 years.  I have currently moved out and I seem fine about it especially if he leaves me alone.  Well we all know that will never happen.  Im not saying it's all his fault but his reactions are the cause of my reactions.  The girls are happy to be out too. they are tired of their mom getting hurt.   

  

He has made all these promises like the ones he made three times before.  Him saying I love you, lets go to counciling, I promise to treat you like a queen, etc....  Most of me really doesn't want to be there.  Like I told him, when I kiss him, nothing is there, when I hug him nothing is there.  I don't know if its just covered by anger or I really do not feel anything.   Of he doesn't want to listen to anything I have to say.  He just says stop this craziness and come home and love me.  

  

I guess a small part of me is afraid of what he will do if I actually cut the string.  I don't want any harm to come to me or the girls. Also I have been with him for so long that maybe I don't know how to leave him. 

  

Im just at a loss on what to do. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. 

  

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Kimberly P. 

 
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May 23, 2006, 8:41 pm PDT

Intermittent reinforcement

I noticed a few wives mentioning here that their husbands treat them unlovingly most of the time but every once in a while they will be loving and sweet.  It reminded me of a well-established experiment in behavioral psychology. 

In behavioral psychology, one learns that a rat can be trained to push a lever if, every time that the lever gets pushed, a food pellet drops for the rat.  That's positive reinforcement since the pellet drop is predictable.  A much stronger and powerful method of reinforcing behavior is to make the lever drop a pellet occasionally.  That's intermittent reinforcement.  The rat will press the lever over and over, trying to make the food pellet drop.  The pellet drops are random and it doesn't matter what the rat does, but the rat doesn't know this and keeps pressing the lever, desperately hoping that maybe the next press will give a food pellet.

My guess is that there may be a parallel in some of your relationships.  In my experience with one woman I dated, the very rare, random "good times" kept me around in a generally thankless and one-sided relationship.  I tried desperately to recreate the scenarios that triggered a loving response from her, but it was hopeless. 


The reason why I'm mentioning it is because it may be possible to be "conditioned" to being taken for granted, or not respected, or even abused.  All it takes is intermittent reinforcement by the partner occasionally showing his loving side.  Maybe this might help explain why some people stay in mostly terrible and unfulfilling relationships; it's because intermittent reinforcement is a powerful method of controlling behavior.
 
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May 24, 2006, 1:14 pm PDT

Intermittent reinforcement

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I noticed a few wives mentioning here that their husbands treat them unlovingly most of the time but every once in a while they will be loving and sweet.  It reminded me of a well-established experiment in behavioral psychology. 

In behavioral psychology, one learns that a rat can be trained to push a lever if, every time that the lever gets pushed, a food pellet drops for the rat.  That's positive reinforcement since the pellet drop is predictable.  A much stronger and powerful method of reinforcing behavior is to make the lever drop a pellet occasionally.  That's intermittent reinforcement.  The rat will press the lever over and over, trying to make the food pellet drop.  The pellet drops are random and it doesn't matter what the rat does, but the rat doesn't know this and keeps pressing the lever, desperately hoping that maybe the next press will give a food pellet.

My guess is that there may be a parallel in some of your relationships.  In my experience with one woman I dated, the very rare, random "good times" kept me around in a generally thankless and one-sided relationship.  I tried desperately to recreate the scenarios that triggered a loving response from her, but it was hopeless. 


The reason why I'm mentioning it is because it may be possible to be "conditioned" to being taken for granted, or not respected, or even abused.  All it takes is intermittent reinforcement by the partner occasionally showing his loving side.  Maybe this might help explain why some people stay in mostly terrible and unfulfilling relationships; it's because intermittent reinforcement is a powerful method of controlling behavior.

 Wow, I really never thought of it that way, but you are right.  So how do you stop that behavior and get out of that kind of relationship? 

  

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Klynne38 

 
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May 24, 2006, 6:22 pm PDT

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I just wanted some of your guys advice.  I have been married for 18 years, have three beautiful girls, 17, 7, and 4.  I have lived with physical and mental abuse off and on for the last 18 years.  I have currently moved out and I seem fine about it especially if he leaves me alone.  Well we all know that will never happen.  Im not saying it's all his fault but his reactions are the cause of my reactions.  The girls are happy to be out too. they are tired of their mom getting hurt.   

  

He has made all these promises like the ones he made three times before.  Him saying I love you, lets go to counciling, I promise to treat you like a queen, etc....  Most of me really doesn't want to be there.  Like I told him, when I kiss him, nothing is there, when I hug him nothing is there.  I don't know if its just covered by anger or I really do not feel anything.   Of he doesn't want to listen to anything I have to say.  He just says stop this craziness and come home and love me.  

  

I guess a small part of me is afraid of what he will do if I actually cut the string.  I don't want any harm to come to me or the girls. Also I have been with him for so long that maybe I don't know how to leave him. 

  

Im just at a loss on what to do. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. 

  

Thanks 

Kimberly P. 

Leave him.  Easy for me to say---I am in the same type of spot and feel too much guilt to go---my husband was not physically abusive, but very manipulative and has threatend---basically since I met him---to kill himself if I left.  In so many ways he has been a good husband/father---as far as I recall, there never was a "spark" there, and I tried to tell him that from the start----part of me wanted to believe it would work out, another part rationalized that all couples end up at this point---neither of us had good examples for marriage.  I think we would make great friends, but I am no longer sure what will happen if I do leave---he has always sworn he would never hurt me or the kids (3), (16 years together) but he also swore he would kill himself and all kinds of other crap----our counselor basically thought he would stalk me if we did separate and so far, she seems to be right.  

   

Best wishes....  

   

Catherine  

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May 24, 2006, 6:31 pm PDT

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Quote From: bunnie49

Why are you still trying to make a go of this. The magic words are BiPolar!!!! He will never be able to maintain or help you maintain a household. And please don't bring any children into this situation. Either you get out of the marraige now or resign yourself into being the MOTHER in this marraige because he is not able to carry the load as husband...

I can't believe these responses! 

  

Bipolar is not a death sentence....it is a genetic biochemcial imbalance----get him to a good psychiatrist---particularly one that is willing to use combinations of medications or novel approaches.  Also, within the last year or two, several new and better bipolar meds have come out.    Don't just have him see a family or general doctor----and if he is seeing a psychiatrist who is not willing to experiement, dump him and move on---there is hope out there. 

 
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May 24, 2006, 7:57 pm PDT

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Quote From: david916

I noticed a few wives mentioning here that their husbands treat them unlovingly most of the time but every once in a while they will be loving and sweet.  It reminded me of a well-established experiment in behavioral psychology. 

In behavioral psychology, one learns that a rat can be trained to push a lever if, every time that the lever gets pushed, a food pellet drops for the rat.  That's positive reinforcement since the pellet drop is predictable.  A much stronger and powerful method of reinforcing behavior is to make the lever drop a pellet occasionally.  That's intermittent reinforcement.  The rat will press the lever over and over, trying to make the food pellet drop.  The pellet drops are random and it doesn't matter what the rat does, but the rat doesn't know this and keeps pressing the lever, desperately hoping that maybe the next press will give a food pellet.

My guess is that there may be a parallel in some of your relationships.  In my experience with one woman I dated, the very rare, random "good times" kept me around in a generally thankless and one-sided relationship.  I tried desperately to recreate the scenarios that triggered a loving response from her, but it was hopeless. 


The reason why I'm mentioning it is because it may be possible to be "conditioned" to being taken for granted, or not respected, or even abused.  All it takes is intermittent reinforcement by the partner occasionally showing his loving side.  Maybe this might help explain why some people stay in mostly terrible and unfulfilling relationships; it's because intermittent reinforcement is a powerful method of controlling behavior.

This is very interesting.  I agree with this.  I also think some people grow up to be conditioned when they grow up in an abusive home. 

 
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