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Topic : 09/05 The Divorce Experiment

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(Original Air Date: 05/16/06) Are you married to a man who doesn't know how good he has it? You do the cooking, the cleaning, take care of the kids, and he still takes you for granted? After seven years, Amy finds herself in a marriage where she is expected to wait on her husband hand and foot, and never voice her opinion. Her husband, Greg, is a self-proclaimed male chauvinist pig, and says his wife's job is to take care of the family without questioning his role as "king" of the house. Amy says if Greg doesn't learn to treat her like his equal and not his servant, she's going to divorce him. Dr. Phil sends in a Relationship Rescue team of strong women to teach Greg a lesson! While Amy is sent off on a special trip to build her self-esteem, Greg gets three new "wives" who give him a dose of his own medicine as they put him through all that he demands of his wife on a daily basis. Will he finally see Amy as his equal and become a better spouse in the process? Talk about the show here.

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May 16, 2006, 1:23 pm PDT

05/16 The Divorce Experiment

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The entire premis of this show bothers me and bothers me a  lot.  I'll try to explain why.

The Dr Phil show already has a serious problem with anti-male sexism: Misandry is the technical term. Ramping up a serious problem by cherry picking topics is a danger to all viewers. It distorts and twists the already twisted gender based views of a good many people. Look at the posts here, before the show even airs there is significant misandry.

There are men like this. No one disputes that! All of society is quite aware of these men. There are women who are every bit as bad. Few know about them and many (maybe most) support a woman's right to be a bigot as long as her contempt is aimed soley at men.

In our society, a woman's right to behave as badly as she wants reigns supreme, (as long as the bad behavior is aimed only at men). That is a problem and a problem which is getting worse rapidly. This show, rather than helping a women, will hurt innocent men. BET ON IT! Bet everything you own and everything you ever will own on these concepts hurting children and innocent men.

It's a real pity you women cannot hear what so many men are saying in private conversations. To a great many men, you are uncaring, rude, arogant, narscists. THAT I'S A PROBLEM! That is a bigger problem than the one on the show. That is a problem which needs to be addressed and one which should never be made worse.

You do not want men feeling bad about women. Such feelings are bad for the man, bad for all children and bad for you too.

Therein lies my complaint and my problem.

I'm aware as can be that most of you disagree or do not see the problem. Again, that is in and of itself a problem. A problem which exists and cannot be worked on festers and gets worse. Our society has a serious contempt for men problem every bit as much as the Dr Phil Show does.  Every effort should be taken not to make a severe problem worse.

In our society, a woman's right to behave as badly as she wants reigns supreme, (as long as the bad behavior is aimed only at men). That is a problem and a problem which is getting worse rapidly. This show, rather than helping a women, will hurt innocent men. BET ON IT! Bet everything you own and everything you ever will own on these concepts hurting children and innocent men.  

  

Since when did a woman EVER reign supreme?    

  

How will this show aimed at a woman trying to get back her power from an overbearing, egotistical, self-involved husband hurt innocent men?  Your dialogue seems like you are threatened.  God, men are so boring!!!  

 
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May 16, 2006, 1:27 pm PDT

Great for you

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This guy might be a jerk...OK he is.  BUT...I always have a tough time listening to women whine that they have to do everything around the house.  THIS IS ONLY DIRECTED AT 100% STAY-AT-HOME WIVES OR MOTHERS OF SCHOOL AGE OR OLDER KIDS.  I'M ASKING THAT YOU PUT ON YOUR RATIONAL HAT...BE REALLY HONEST WITH YOURSELF ABOUT HOW YOU SPEND YOUR DAY.  Well...if your husband is at work all day supplying the income that makes that house and everything in it possible...YOUR half of the bargain is cleaning the house and treating it like the job you want it to be considered.  It's called 'Division of Labor'. 

The big thing these days is to attach a dollar value to everything the stay-at-home does around the house. 

  

Well...how would you like it if your husband presented you with a BILL for what it would cost YOU to live in the same kind of house you live in...what it would cost YOU to pay your own utilities, food, clothing, healthcare, furniture, entertainment, you name it.  And you get to stay home to boot.  And all you have to do is hold up your end of the bargain.   

  

Does your husband ask you to come to his office and generate that quarterly P&R spreadsheet? Does he ask you to come to work and write sales proposals...does he ask you to come to his auto repair shop and rebuild a transmission?...and the 1,001 things a working man has to do to keep that roof over your head.  Well then...why do stay-at-home wives ask their husbands to come home from work and the political bullcrap he has to deal with there...and VACUUM !???  Why does he have to help you do your half of the work?   I'm a woman who wonders these things all the time.  I have respect for what I do...take pride in it...and see it as a trade off for not having to deal with a daily commute...office politics...and I TREAT IT LIKE A JOB THAT I ALWAYS LOOK TO IMPROVE UPON.  Just like the pressure my husband feels in his career to stay competitive...to survive corporate shake-ups...to improve HIS skill set so our lives can be supported.   It's a division of labor that keeps our little world turning smoothly.  Stop whining and be glad he doesn't present YOU with a bill for what HE does for YOU ! 

A lot of people feel the same way you do to a point, but if your husband came home and degraded everything you did in front of your children and treated your children with the same disrespect, I would hope that no amount of money in the world would make you stay in your financial safety net.  This topic is not just about who does what, it's about treating another human being with the respect of at least an animal don't you think.  I will to do anything I can to make my husbands day go better because I love and respect him, but his job does not end when he punches out at work.  He is a father and husband and if he can't provide love, respect and emotional security when he gets home, then he is not doing his job as a husband and father.   

  

Rebecca 

 
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May 16, 2006, 1:31 pm PDT

Good one!

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I wasnt' being immature. I was trying to show him that he couldn't and wouldn't step on me. But I should have said that I was 22 at the time. Maybe I could have done some, but we were also living in an apartment so there was no grass to mow or repairs to be made. BTW I was only out of work for about two weeks even though I didn't do any housework for about a month. It was the second week when he came to me and said that we needed to change. I wanted him to appreciate me and work with me. His step father was lazy and didn't do anything. I wasn't about to live like his mother.
When my husband and I were first married, I got tired of always picking up his stuff.  He would then complain when he couldn't find anything.  So I put all of his stuff that was lying around in a garbage bag and hid it.  He got the message.  Sometimes I think we need to do things to make our husbands understand.  I think you did the right thing.
 
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May 16, 2006, 1:32 pm PDT

To Amy from Carol

Dear Amy, 

  

Dump Greg. 

 
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May 16, 2006, 1:37 pm PDT

The Definition of Abuse

Whether man or woman, it doesn't matter, if one spouse abuses the other emotionally, physically or is neglectful, it is a serious problem.    

Balance is so important, and it does go both ways.    

As a woman who has suffered in an abusive relationship, I know that there are many facets to any relationship and when one, on either side, gives and gives and there is no reciprocation, no respect, no love and or consideration then you are running on empty, and eventually you run out.   

When you reach that point it is really hard to go back, or to fix what is broken.    

When anyone, man or woman, takes such pleasure in talking down to their partner in life, with no regard for them as an individual person, it is just WRONG!    

Sadly, many people do change for the worse after the marriage.   It is so important to know who you are with and to take the time to be sure.    

Dr. Phil has his work cut out for him, if he really hopes to help save this relationship.  Abuse is a deal breaker with NO "do overs".    

Good Luck.    

  

 
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May 16, 2006, 1:37 pm PDT

He's a Jerk, BUT Doesn't He Have a Point?

This may not be popular opinion, but although the husband seems like a complete jerk, he has a point.  My husband works full-time so that I can stay home with the kids.   I feel it's my duty to keep a clean home, to take care of the kids, the shopping, and the errands.  Most importantly, he always has a hot dinner on the table when he gets home from work.  Is this old fashioned?  Perhaps, but I feel it's the ethical thing to do.  Whether my children were babies or toddler or teens, I've always believed this and been able to do it.   

 

No matter how big or small my home, I've maintained it and all that includes while my husband works his butt off for us.  Granted, my husband is appreciative and compliments what I do at home, but regardless, it's still what I feel should be done. 

 

I really get tired of stay-at-home moms feeling they shouldn't do what they're doing or that their husbands should come home and cook for the family.  That's ridiculous and unfair. 

 

Let me be sure to repeat, today's husband was a complete jerk and I wouldn't live with a guy who believed as he does and insults instead of compliments, BUT he has a point.  If your guy is working for the family, a woman who ISN'T working should do the rest.  Period. 

 
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May 16, 2006, 1:42 pm PDT

Sometimes what we need finds us

Todays (5/16/06) show was another angel looking down on me.  I am in this type of relationship; I have been working on exerting my rights to be met with higher stakes.  Oh they are so wonderful when you meet them you think you hit the lottery.  However, the happily ever after becomes a nightmare you can't seem to wake up from.  Then you doubt yourself as they pout, scream, yell, demand to get you back where they want you--afraid.  Then a show like Dr. Phil's comes on and says you don't have to take this for the sake of saving the marriage or it's your second marriage and you don't want to look like a failure.  That little glimpse of a higher power telling you something is NOT RIGHT!  That one show that changes your life.
 
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May 16, 2006, 1:43 pm PDT

He's not all bad...

I think she needs to leave him if he doesn't get help, but for his sake and the sake of his family, I hope he takes the help that Dr. Phil offers.  Greg's got to at least be a good sport to go along with everything he did for the show, and, he admitted to Dr. Phil that he was willing to change but he sincerely didn't know how. 

  

I think Greg's probably had his own demons chasing him for a number of years, and, he's probably been through some painful and damaging events in his life.  However, I think he really loves his wife and daughter, and he's probably very much afraid of what life would be like without his wife. 

  

There's a nice guy in there somewhere and I hope he gives himself a chance and gets help because yes, it is possible to change and change radically! 

 
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May 16, 2006, 1:51 pm PDT

Selfish...

     This guy is some piece of work. He says he is superior to women and he could do a woman's work in half the time. I would like to see his self centered butt serving overseas with the women that are Mother and wives, plus serving their couhtry.  I know a few of these ladies and they can run circles around this scrawny, narrow minded little man.  

 

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May 16, 2006, 1:53 pm PDT

To Dr. Phil....

Dr. Phil..... 

With regard to Greg, the "man" who was the guest on your show today.... 

You can bring in all the tough women in America to try and teach him a lesson 

You can fix him and Amy up with the best of the best with regard to therapy/counseling 

You can bring them on the show and try to reason with him 

But you CAN'T FIX STUPID...... 

 
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