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(Original Air Date: 05/16/06) Are you married to a man who doesn't know how good he has it? You do the cooking, the cleaning, take care of the kids, and he still takes you for granted? After seven years, Amy finds herself in a marriage where she is expected to wait on her husband hand and foot, and never voice her opinion. Her husband, Greg, is a self-proclaimed male chauvinist pig, and says his wife's job is to take care of the family without questioning his role as "king" of the house. Amy says if Greg doesn't learn to treat her like his equal and not his servant, she's going to divorce him. Dr. Phil sends in a Relationship Rescue team of strong women to teach Greg a lesson! While Amy is sent off on a special trip to build her self-esteem, Greg gets three new "wives" who give him a dose of his own medicine as they put him through all that he demands of his wife on a daily basis. Will he finally see Amy as his equal and become a better spouse in the process? Talk about the show here.

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May 16, 2006, 4:03 pm PDT

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My question is, why did she marry this man in the first place? Did they not discuss their roles in the marriage before hand?

Guess I'll see if that gets answered.

  

   I take it she did not know what she was in for like the rest of the ladies on the board have said people change! 

 

I don't think this guy's as cocky as he makes out too be, something is going on with him, I'd be interested too hear how he was brought up, how he was treated by his parents etc.... or even how his mother was treated by his father!     

  

 
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May 16, 2006, 4:07 pm PDT

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Dr.Phil did in fact ask Greg what was going on for him to act the way he does.Dr.Phil was also offered some compassion when Greg decided to again act like a cocky, self-centered jerk.

Dr.Phil also did in fact offer him some therapy on his dime.

I've also watched shows where DrPhil has asked women the same question.

and how much compassion should we have? Why does he want a wife? Wouldn't he be happier with a couple martinis? (They don't talk back.)  

   

And the Divorce Expirement won't work with a sadisst. He can just flip into the masochistic side. (He probably secretly liked it!)  

   

This is point blank emotional abuse and Amy can do better. He has tried to keep her from seeing she actually has more going on than he does. He thinks he's superior but he' s merely rigid.  

   

I think he wanted Amy because he perceived somebody he might bend to his will.He has tried to use her softness agaiinst her. His only real legacy is likely to be a string of very unhappy exes (he will teach them why you may not want a tough guy.)  

 
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May 16, 2006, 4:07 pm PDT

Forgot to include a favorite movie quote...

But everyone will wish I'd skipped it.   My feelings about women come from some very specific and unique life experiences...only girl in a family w/ 5 older brothers...amazing 5' 2" mother who managed with not even the expected conveniences of the 50's, 60's, and 70's.  Then there was me...always competing with my brothers...learning how to kick their butts at everything from tennis to bear-knuckle boxing (ok...I was a tomboy)...and then not understanding why my friends acted like silly girls around guys.  Then there was going through Marine Corps OCS with men...side-by-side...and spending 5 years+ in the Marine Corps where there was no time and frankly more important priorities than "finding my spirit".  I was my spirit.  For the longest time I just couldn't understand the wives of the Officers with whom I served...so silly, so whiny, so dependent.  (I'm not running for office any time soon...so there ya go).  Anyway...when I heard Jack Nicholson's novelist character in 'As Good As It Gets'  explain how he writes female characters so well...his answer is priceless:   "I think of a man...then I take away reason and accountability".   Alright so...by now I'm permanently banned from Dr. Phils discussion board...but just think of all the anger you can take out on me !!   : )
 
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May 16, 2006, 4:08 pm PDT

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If this is about role reversal, then why isnt she WORKING a REAL JOB like he does everyday? What is she doing going off to some lala land. Mean while hes at home doing her housework. I hope they make sure he gets to do 100% of her daily activities, like the afternoon naps, not having to get rdy for work, lounge around in joggers all day, phone your friends when you want too and do the house work when you feel good and ready... 

  

If hes doing the housework she should be working at a real job like he does all day everyday.  

  

Why do people feel so sorry for the damn house moms??? It aint that hard... GET REAL!  

 I think you make a lot of assumptions about what you *think* Amy is doing during the day. Maybe that's what YOU might do if you stayed home, but that's a blanket remark against all SAHM's. I think you should let Robin know your opinons of SAHM's...... 

 

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May 16, 2006, 4:09 pm PDT

WOAH WOAH WOAH!

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If husabnd would love their wives and quit degradingt hema nd making them feel like they are worthless, then the man doesn't need to be respected and taken care of 

 

I don't know too many people...man or woman who doesn't "need to be respected and taken care of".     

Somewhere on this board someone cites a movie scene or quote so in this thread I'll add one of my favorite movie quotes. But first...let me tell you...I grew up with 5 older brothers and NO sisters.  For those scoring at home...that's 6 kids...by the time she was 28 yrs. old.  Our mom was a 5'2" 108 lb. powerhouse.  and our dad, being in the military, was gone for very long periods of time (two tours in Vietnam). I want you to think about all the modern conveniences our mom DIDN'T have in the 50's,60's,70's...and yet due to a VERY tight budget...she baked cookies & pies from scratch, sewed MY clothes (as the only girl I had no hand-me-downs),had NO dishwasher, NO dryer..but a clothesline and many winter days brought in frozen towels that looked like boards, in those days my dad got paid ONCE a month...so she had to plan and budget a shopping list based on ingredients for meal plans....remember, NO microwave back then...and certainly no supermarket aisles filled with microwaveable meals.  And let's not forget...there was the minor matter of taking care of a 7 yr.old, a 6 year old, two 4 year olds, a two year old...and a newborn.    SO my perspective on what women do today is decidedly UNSYMPATHETIC.  She had self-respect...she wasn't looking for anyone to validate her...and she certainly didn't have time to "find her spirit" with Oprah...or whine about  being disrespected by her husband.   Wives today consider they're "roughing it" when they can't get a bimonthly mani-pedicure.  I'm sorry but you're being sold a bill of goods literally...by people who want and need to keep you exactly where you are...in front of the t.v. seeing ads for things you don't need.  Sorry Dr. Phil and staff...I'll say it again...we're supposed to keep it real, right?  My momma didn't raise no fools either !!! 

Bi monthly mani pedi? What the hell is the matter with you?  Aparently your mama did raise a fool.

Just because your mother broke her back doesn't mean the rest of us should. Just because your mom was fine being defined by being a mother and wife doesn't mean the rest of us should.

I have self respect and I look for NO ONE to validate ME...I DO however expect to be treated with respect and kindness by a man who is supposed to LOVE me and care about my happiness.

Who was your mother anyway? What was she, what did she do besides break her back for you and your family? Did she do anything to define herself? What were her hobbies and passions? Cooking and sewing?
 
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May 16, 2006, 4:15 pm PDT

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I... no. All I can say is that if he were *my* husband (which would NEVER happen) - he would be black and blue. I have no toleration for this crap.
You would physically abuse someone? You need help.
 
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May 16, 2006, 4:25 pm PDT

The &70's&80's not today!

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Bi monthly mani pedi? What the hell is the matter with you?  Aparently your mama did raise a fool.

Just because your mother broke her back doesn't mean the rest of us should. Just because your mom was fine being defined by being a mother and wife doesn't mean the rest of us should.

I have self respect and I look for NO ONE to validate ME...I DO however expect to be treated with respect and kindness by a man who is supposed to LOVE me and care about my happiness.

Who was your mother anyway? What was she, what did she do besides break her back for you and your family? Did she do anything to define herself? What were her hobbies and passions? Cooking and sewing?

This is 2006.I lived in that frozen towel world and everything from scratch-(But the times they are a changing) 

I think Dr.Phil has to look at what grabs his attention.One example to catch as many victoms as he could and he picked a doozy here! For this one couple -Goodness only knows how many women is being affected by this show.I realize this case looked extreme but how else can a woman start understanding men don't own them? 

And we know by the abuse rates the percentage is very high. 

I personally think this man has a very bad problem whom needs help immediately and the wife and child should leave -and if he gets better -then see if she is still interested. 

Mom and daughter need therapy also and I pray they get it (Living on their own ,man less) 

 
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May 16, 2006, 4:27 pm PDT

i have one too

i have been with a pig for 6 yrs now i can feel what she is he is a wonderful man who loves his children and loves me but he just was not raised the way most people are now days he works hard and pays the bills and takes care of us but to sit and tell you that you work hard doing the housework or taking care of all 6 of us is just not something he will do he does not think he needs to show appreciation for me working all day and coming home cleaning and cooking for him and four kids he does not think it is necessary and god forbid if you have a bad day do not bring it home cause he does not want to hear it but if you want to know the brutal truth about yourself or anyone else just ask and he will for sure tell you even if it hurts his father is like this and from what i have been told his grandfather was too but if you need anything besides a shoulder to be a crybaby on they are the place to go
 
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May 16, 2006, 4:27 pm PDT

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When someone is told they are worthless and constantly made to feel that everything they do is never enough... then there is no desire get anything done. I don't mean to sound rude, but I get sick of women who act high and mighty because they can keep everything caught up with a house that is "twice as big." Some women don't WANT to be stuck in the house all day.

I get sick of women who call themselves feminists but refuse to have any respect for work done in the home, strictly because it has traditional been done by women.  Amy needs to respect herself and the work she has agreed to do. She needs to treat her duties in the home with the same serioussness that she would if she had a job outside the home. I pointed out what I do, not to brag but to refute her claim that she doesn't have time to do it all. I don't think I'm superior at all, I know women who do everything I do, have houses twice as big as mine and twice as many children as I do and still manage to do it all.  I'm using myself and the size of my house as an example to show that If I can do it, she can do it.   

  

I know Greg was being a jerk when he got angry-- he admitted as much.  What I mean by defending him is that I think he has every right to expect a clean home, meals and coffee on time and clean clothing.  At one time my husband was between jobs and I worked outside the home.  He kept the house clean and had dinner on the table when I got home.  It is not a gender issue it is a division of labor issue.  Greg does his part by working a full time job.  Amy isn't doing her part. it's that simple. 

  

If Amy doesn't want to be a housewife she should get a job. 

 
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May 16, 2006, 4:28 pm PDT

Where did you get the measurements for Amy's House?

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I'd like to ask Amy what her pay-off is.  I'd also like to know what she thinks would happen to Greg if he still didn't have a handle on his job after eight years.  

  

My house is twice the size of Amy's, yet it's spotless.  I have dinner ready to be served when my husband walks in, even though his schedule varies from day to day.  The laundry's caught up, I work out six days a week, and I still have time to watch Dr. Phil and yack on the internet.  What's the problem, Amy? 

I am just curious, because I wasn't sure how you could equate that your house was twice the size?  Also, Greg does not have a handle on "his job" and it has been eight years. Greg is miserably screwing up as a husband.  He is about to be fired, in fact.  How easy it is to brag about your spotless house!  Does someone come over and inspect it, or is it kind of like the measurements of Amy's house?  Anyone can have dinner served at any time.  Does that mean that it is a good meal?  I am sure you do work out, it is a nice thing to use to demean someone else.   Does you high horse ride to town?  If you had offered some tips that help you to be successful, as opposed to trumping yourself up, I would not reply so harshly.  Those who put down the work of others to bolster their own self-worth have a different to-do list.   

Be helpful- use your own success to help others be successful also 

Be humble- talk about yourself in such a way to compliment yourself rather than make yourself look like a jerk 

Don't ever try to make someone feel bad about themselves when they are clearly giving their best effort, or if they are under different circumstances such as Amy is.   Only mean people do that to those who are looking for help. 

Don't feel good because you were smug and suggested that she is somehow not as good as you are. 

I don't care if I make everyone mad at me, but Amy was beaten down and she came on TV for help and she pit herself out there so that her situation may help others.  I don't think anyone should out her down, I think that she feels bad enough. 

 
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