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Are you a parent whose household is spinning out of control? Cindi says her daughter, Kristina, used to be a fresh-faced all-American beauty, but now, with seven tattoos, she looks like a freak! Cindi says that if her daughter gets inked one more time, she’ll cut her off. Then, Nancy was heartbroken when she learned her 17-year-old daughter had been keeping a devastating secret. See this teen's message about how opening up saved her life. And, when Nancy Davis was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis 14 years ago, the doctor said her life was over. She knew she had to get better for her three young sons. See her heartwarming message for anyone dealing with an illness. Then, a mom struggles with 7-year-old triplets competing to be the best! Talk about the show here.

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May 29, 2006, 2:35 pm PDT

attention?

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  If you want to find where in the bible it says its wrong to abuse your body, you can find it in Corinthians 3:16,17.   

  16.Do you not know that you are God's temple, and that God's spirit dwells in you!   

  17. If anyone destroys God's temple. God will destroy that person, for God's temple is holy, and you are that temple.   

  Not only tattoos, but drugs, alcohol, cigarettes, and any kind of foreign things that the body does not need to live on is included.   

  My question is 'Why do people want tattoos?' My thoughts on this is that the only reason anyone want a tattoo(s) is to attract attention. Why do they want attention? It's because they are insecure about themselves. The same goes for those who dress a certain way, dye thier hair a bright color, or drive a certain type a car. Status is important to them and often they want to be like everybody else.    

  I do believe its one's choice to do what they want to themselves, but I prefer to keep what God has given me. What God has given me is a gift, and one needs to take care of, and appreciate God's gift by not using and abusing it.   

I have always gotten enugh attention - some unwanted - since I was 18 and working as a bartender - but not becasue I was tattooed - cause I wasnt til I was over 40.  But I had friends and attention, I really dont like the word attention - it implies something negative.  But rather, I will say tht I was always noticed for being nice, attractive, a great dresser, and a very nice and outgoing person.  So to say that anyone that has a tatoo craves attnetion is just plain ludicrous.  I got mine because I wanted them - not for attention.  
 
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May 29, 2006, 2:36 pm PDT

tattoos in university life

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 Oh and thanks anyway, but I already am college educated and I already DO good things with my life not to mention working on my next degree and PHD.

So much for myth busters. 

One of the professors at UNBC in BC Canada did a scholarly study of tattoos.  I have not read it yet, but I would imagine it is well done (not to mention open minded) -- they studied tattoos and attitudes about them in the university community.  She has also written a book :  

   

Tattoos, Desire and Violence
Marks of Resistance in Literature, Film and Television
Karin Beeler ISBN 0-7864-2389-7   

  

Here is the citation for the article:   

Beeler, Karin, With Kelly Wintemute. Tattoo Study: The Cultural, Symbolic and Social Significance of Tattoos in a University Community. University of Northern B.C. English Program, 2001. (non-refereed)  

   

   

Here is her home page :   http://quarles.unbc.ca/kbeeler_html/  

   

   

(no tattoos here, but that is just because I am scared it would hurt!!)    

   

   

 
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May 29, 2006, 2:40 pm PDT

05/29 Parenting Dilemmas

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Dear Dr. Phil:  

   

I know everyone is entitled to their own thoughts and opinions, and here's mine: It saddens me that most people on here today (message board) are more concerned or have more to say about the young girl with tattoos you spoke with, than with the girl who finally admitted to her mother that she was being sexually abused (for years) by her former stepfather. This is a serious problem among our children and teens that is not going to go away. There are many, many adults such as myself who bear the emotional scars of sexual abuse and will do so until the day we die. There are many hurting people out there, and because the disgusting, selfish, perverts out there convince our children that they're to blame, that they have something to be ashamed for, or threaten them, then these types of stories will for the most part remain secrets.   

   

Please readers, if you or someone you know is being sexually abused (remember, that can mean everything from being raped to having someone expose themselves to you, harmful touching, watching you without your permission, etc.) TELL SOMEONE! Take the power away from these wretched excuses for human beings. I was unable to put my former stepfather in jail because I didn't deal with the repercussions of my abuse until I was around 37 years old (8 years ago). I was told by a detective that I had to be able to remember if the pervert actually touched my breasts or vaginal areas. I honestly couldn't remember, although I'm sure it happened as I was a deep sleeper when it first began. I actually told my mother when I was around 20yo, and she told our pastor (pastor at that time). Unfortunately, the stepfather was a good faker/actor, and convinced the pastor he was sorry. Yeah, right, he was sorry I finally told. The police were not contacted at that time. My mom didn't know what to do at that time. So we pretended to be a normal family, until at age 37 I could no longer repress the memories that just wouldn't go away; I also had a daughter to protect. Fortunately, my mother finally divorced the jerk, and she & I received much needed counseling. But the memories won't go away.  

   

I now live over 150 miles away from him, but the memories will follow me wherever I go. I wish I'd been strong enough to tell someone, anyone, what was happening to me. So again, I plead with those reading this, please tell someone if you're a victim or know of one. There are those who might be spared this nightmare.  

   

The pervert is now remarried and has access to anyone's children. If I could keep him away from children for the rest of his life, I would do so, but I don't know how. So, I'm looking to do whatever I can to prevent this from happening in my little corner of the world, beginning with my church. I helped to birth The Safe Place Team, a ministry dedicated to protecting my church's children from all types of abuse, as well as safety hazards, etc. I decided long ago that I wasn't going to be a victim any longer, and I know that God does not allow things to happen for no reason. I believe He will use me to help or protect others.  

   

Thank you so much for reading. And Dr. Phil, please continue to bring the exploitation of our nation's children to light, as they need all the advocates they can get., especially from folks such as yourself who have the necessary tools available to actually see some justice exacted.  

   

A Country Mom in MD  

P.S. Oh, and by the way, the former stepfather? He was a high school teacher, and a church youth group leader during the years he was abusing me. Don't be fooled, they come in all shapes and sizes.  

   

   

   

   

Dear country mom in MD,   

  I commend you for your courage and your extended dedication to this problem.My little girl was being sexually abused by her father after we had gotten a divorce and she was on her summers with him for long periods of time.I did not find out what was going on until after he had killed his stepdaughter.When this happened my daughter finally spoke up that this had been happening to her also.She was so afraid that because she thought that she was alone in it,but after the death of her stepsister(whom she loved very much)it brought out what he had been doing to her also.She realized ,at the age of 10 ,that she had to tell because it was not her fault he was doing this and that he had also been doing it to her stepsister at the same time.But,It did take her months to see, that she needed to talk about it and help to put him where he needed to be.Don't get me wrong,she loves her father still,but ,she can not forgive him yet for taking her sister away(she was 15 when he killed her and raped her)he is now on death row in the Alabama State Prisons.So,I to can understand your purpose and your fight and I Thank you so much for what you are doing alone in your town and your church.Sincerely,A Proud Mother   

 
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May 29, 2006, 2:41 pm PDT

Hidden Abuse

These shows are very important to air, but I feel so strongly that the whole picture was not clearly stated.  The reality is that telling about it may indeed break up your home.  Your mother, sisters and brothers and you may all wind up in a shelter.  You may NOT have the support shown on the Dr. Phil Show.  

   

Your mother may never forgive you, and your siblings may very well blame you for the rest of their lives.  

   

Do I think this means that you keep quiet?  NO!  but I do think that children who are being abused need to be given options for the less than ideal outcome.  They need to hear that this MAY happen, and that in time, it will usually get resolved. But keeping quiet will not make it better, not ever.  They just need to know that the road may get harder at first, and be prepared with some kind of a plan to deal with that.  

   

Sadly, I think children also need to know that telling may not change anything.  In that case, they need a plan and tools to minimize or eliminate the abuse in creative ways.  Try to get into a school where you can live with an aunt or uncle, bring more people into your world if you can.. bring friends home from school, etc. And know that one day, you will be old enough to move out.. plan for that.  

   

   

 
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May 29, 2006, 2:41 pm PDT

Matter of opionion

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Tattoos are simply a way of drawing attention to yourself for the WRONG reason. Just like nose and tongue piercing, purple hair, Goth clothing, etc.  

  

If you are in such desperate need of attention then why not get an education and do something positive in life. The Goth lifestyle is for depressed, losers in life.  

We do not get tatted or pierced to draw attention to ourselves.  We really do like the art and the look.  Just like you like the way you style your hair or they type of clothes you wear. 

  

I have a real problem with your statement that we need to do something positive with our lives.  Do you think that everyone that has a tat is a low life bum? 

  

I have over 50 tats and numerous piercings.  I am highly educated and I was in upper management of a major oil company.  My two sons are tatted , hold good jobs, and are  very clean cut looking.  One son served 5 years in the military.  My father had a tat that he got while serving in the Navy.  He retired from the telephone company with 40 year perfect attendance. 

  

The goth look is usually a short lived phase.  Both my sons went through it.  As they got older they matured and realized they needed an acceptable look to be able to earn a living in this world of people like you that make false assumptions of a person's character just by the way  they look. 

  

You need to grow up and quit judging people until you get to know them.  There are a lot of us out there that you might find you really like. 

 
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May 29, 2006, 2:43 pm PDT

Tatoos & Nancy/MS

First of all, from the time I was a little girl I was always fascinated with my dad's Naval Tattoo he got when he was in the Korean War on his one arm and the black panther on his other arm.   

He died unexpectedly when I was 28 and that Panther always was on my mind. Around the 25th anniversary of his death at 53 years old in remembrance of my father I had the same and only tattoo put on my lower back.   

No one can see it, it is for me only, I don't care if anyone finds it distasteful or not. It's not like I go around pulling up my shirt and flashing everyone. I work in finance and no one is the wiser and if they were I wouldn't care less. As the song goes "it ain't nobody's business if I do" Let it alone.  

If this is the only "wrong" thing this kid is doing, that mother should be grateful. It could be a lot worse. Look around.   

  

Now about Nancy and the MS thing. I too have MS. I really am glad she can cope as she does and appears to always have a positive attitude.   

However, MS isn't choosy. It doesn't decide who is going to be okay with it and who isn't. Or who is going to have a great "for the rest of your life" or not.   

I haven't been able to feel the left side of my face and body for 2 years. Ever been to the dentist and got Novocaine? Ever try to drink something when you left the dentist? Well, welcome to my world. No, nothing runs out of my mouth but I feel like it's going to.   

There are days when I feel on top of the world. This is where MS really gets you and sneaks up on you. When you feel okay what is the first thing you do? (those of you that do have MS) Pretend there is nothing wrong and over do it.  

Then reality comes maybe the next day or the following day and you will be in bed or laying on the sofa several days whether you have a positive attitude or not.  

Oh, and don't go out in to the sun and the heat, you will lose your vision temporarily and the numbness gets even worse. Air conditioners are tax deductible though.   

I do consider myself to be a very positive person and my life just took a different turn and now I just have to make some adjustments.  

But I never take MS for granted having a positive outlook or not. Basically the nerves in your brain are dying. Sometimes fast sometimes slow. This is where the different levels of the disease are determined. I take seizure meds and I give myself shots everyday to slow the process down.   

Was I angry when i found out what I had? You betcha! At some point did I feel sorry for myself? Of course, who wouldn't. A part of me died! Did I give up? NO WAY!  

The biggest mistake people make is to not educate themselves about the disease itself. Especially the caretakers. We already know what we have and how we feel.   

We look normal just like anyone else does on the outside. So when someone asks "how do you feel" and you tell them your "not having a good day" they say "well you look fine". Well, duh!  

If someone told me they had some type of illness I wasn't familiar with instead of judging, I would educate myself first to get a better understanding of what they are gong through.  

Anyone can go to the NMSS.org to get all the info they need on MS.  

Yes, I do believe keeping a positive attitude is a great thing but there are days when it just doesn't happen, and you know, it's okay!     

  

  

 
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May 29, 2006, 2:48 pm PDT

My personal thoughts on Tattoos

I personally think tattoos should be peoples personal choice. And I agree that someone should not take getting one lightly. But I would also like to say that I love Dr.Phil and usually feel he does a good job or covering topics....in this case I am disapointed. It would have been nice to have a pro tattoo side. I am sorry Jessica got tattoos and is sorry about them now that she is a Mom. But I am a Mom of 3 kids as well...I have seven tattoos (some are on the big side), and I love my tattoos!! I was in my twenties when I started getting them, I don't find people treat me differently(if they did, I wouldn't care). I certainly have never been turned away from a job. I am not affraid people won't think I am a good Mom. What counts is on the inside, not the outside. I am very proud of my body art. I plan on getting more!! And if some day my kids want one too, I would say to really think about it, and make sure you go some place safe. I am raising my kids to except all people, so I never see them being ashamed of mine( why should they be).  

 
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May 29, 2006, 2:49 pm PDT

05/29 Parenting Dilemmas

Quote From: flysmom

From a mom that is tattooed and changes her hair color on a regular basis cause I like being a natural blonde or redhead.....depending on my mood for the month!! 

  

I learned from raising my daughter who is now 20, pierced, tattooed, stretched earlobes and with funky hair.....that you need to pick your battles.  It's only hair.....it will grow back, the color will change like she changes her socks, the piercings can heal over if she takes them out when she's 40 and the tattooes can be covered up if she doesn't want to show them off.....the stretched earlobes....well surgery for that.  What's most important is that my daughter is still the wonderful person she is on the INSIDE!!  That's all that matters to me.  Accept them the way they are on the outside, look beyond the "stuff"....love them for who they are on the inside and remember......they are 1/2 you and 1/2 the person you loved enough to marry and have children with!!     

Barbara Colorroso always said when picking your battles with what your kids want to do:  

  

Ask yourself these three questions?  

  

Is it illegal?  

Is it immoral?  

Is it dangerous (or lifethreatening)?  

  

If not -- why not?  

  

Besides, I would rather deal with a person who has the guts to wear their personality on the outside for all to see, than one that hides it.   

 
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May 29, 2006, 2:49 pm PDT

05/29 Parenting Dilemmas

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I just had to respond.  I'm in my 40's, never had a tattoo, but planning on getting one - just one.  But that woman should thank God that that is her biggest problem.  My 15 year old step-son  has just been admitted into rehad - yesterday - for at least the next 3 weeks...and this may not be the end of it.     The kid is addicted to drugs, which is like a cancer eating this family alive.  I can only wish it were just tattoo's that we were concerned about.   

  

My son, who is 13, wants to get a tatto and I've told him when he is 16 he can get one...or a couple, but that's it.  When he's 18, he can do what he wants.  It's not drugs or booze, it's art for heavens sakes!  I know art to some, ruplusion to others.   

  

I have no desire to cover my body, but if that's what makes some one else happy, then so be it.  That woman should count her blessings, and realize that as long as her daughter is in school, is doing well, staying clean, staying sober, and not struggling with stubance abuse, she should be proud, happy, and grateful to God for what she has.  And give her daughter a great big hug for being so!!! 

Sorry to hear about your step-son. My nephew has been in and out of rehab several times now. I pray that it works for him. Question to you, are you going to Ala-non? That being asked. 

Let you kids get their tattoos. 

I got my first tattoo at 53 and I'm glad I did it! I'm even thinking about getting another one. !! 

 
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May 29, 2006, 2:54 pm PDT

She isn't a Freak!

 She isn't a freak! She is still beautiful young lady, 

 I just got my first tattoo on May 10, 2006 and I just love it. Like mine it tells a story and I showing a picture on the side here. I think tattoos are beatiful art it is called body art.  

 You should watch on A & E on wednesday nights a show called INK. People are getting tattoos and telling there stories of why they are getting that tattoo. It isn't something ugly at all.  

 I seen teens come into that shop INK and get tattoos and there mothers with them.  

 The mothers say it is better then they getting into drugs. There is nothing wrong wtih a tattoo. 

 I think that mother should pull her head out of the clouds and let her daugther do it. At lease she is into body art and not drugs. And the mother has a tattoo which told her a story of her life and she should let her daugher do it too.  

 I am 49 and one tattoo and plan to get more. There is nothing wrong with tattoos.  

 Sweet  

 
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