Topic : 05/29 Parenting Dilemmas

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Are you a parent whose household is spinning out of control? Cindi says her daughter, Kristina, used to be a fresh-faced all-American beauty, but now, with seven tattoos, she looks like a freak! Cindi says that if her daughter gets inked one more time, she’ll cut her off. Then, Nancy was heartbroken when she learned her 17-year-old daughter had been keeping a devastating secret. See this teen's message about how opening up saved her life. And, when Nancy Davis was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis 14 years ago, the doctor said her life was over. She knew she had to get better for her three young sons. See her heartwarming message for anyone dealing with an illness. Then, a mom struggles with 7-year-old triplets competing to be the best! Talk about the show here.

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June 3, 2006, 12:02 am PDT

05/29 Parenting Dilemmas

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Why are the first 3 pages filled up with messages for the girl with the tatoos?  Yes at her age her's are a bit excessive, but what about the girl who went on national TV and admitted that her step father sexually abused her.  That should turn more stomaches then inking  your body.  Wake up people, this is a huge problem that no amount of ink can cover.  I should know.  I am 36 years old and have just recently admitted to the biggest of the big secrets.......my stepfather sexually molested me when I was young.  My mother and him started dating when I was 2 (after my real father passed away) and he started touching me in areas that a little girl shouldnt be touched.  Then on a trip to California, in which my mother didn't attend, he decided that I needed to find out how oral sex felt.  I left California a different girl then when I went.  I started withdrawing, rebelling against both my mother and her boyfriend.  Thank goodness I didn't turn to drugs or sex.  I kinda just stayed in my own little world harboring the darkest of secrets.  Then at age 14, the unspeakable happened, they got married.  Of course no one figured out anything and I was told by my mother not to mess things up for her, so I kept quiet.  I felt that if I kept the secret that no one else would have to get hurt and I could handle it.  I started getting really premiscuious (spelling) at age 18 and started  using men and throwing them away like trash, I had trouble holding on to friends, because I was withdrawn, and when I did find a guy I liked I couldn't trust him.  I never put two and two together.  I kept going on like this, never knowing.  I finally found a good man and got married at age 26, had a baby at 29 and when my little girl turned 2 it was like a ticking time bomb that was just waiting to go off.  Of course you have to realize that I am an only child and I had the only grandchild so my mother and step father were always around and my husband felt some tension, but never put it together.  One night him and I went out for drinks and I had a few too many, and my husband got brave and asked me some leading questions (yes he is a law enforcement officer) and he had the last couple pieces to the puzzle.  He figured out what had happened to me without me giving all the details.  He begged me to tell my mother and if I didn't then he would.  After much thought I told my mother before she left my house for the weekend.  She wanted to know why I didn't tell her sooner and all I said was I was scared and didn't want to ruin her relationship.  To make a long drawn out story short, it has now been 4 years since I told my mother what her husband of 22 years did to her little girl and she still is married to him and I haven't spoken to her in 3 years.  

   

I have been going through counseling and I think it is helping a little bit, but I am starting to miss having a mother around for the mothering things and I am just not sure how to approach the situation and start to talk to her again without having to deal with her husband.  

The reason that the other part of the show isn't being discussed is because it seemed to be something that was on the mend. That this mother and daughter have things working out well for them now that things are healing.

I'm sorry you have suffered abuse, you have my sympathy. I'm proud of you for doing the right thing and I hope one day your mother will also do the right thing. If you want my advice, I would tell you not to have a relationship with her. She's not being a mother to you so she can't offer you the "mothering things" you desire.  What about your MIL or an Aunt or A SIL or a grandparent or some one else to fill that void?
 
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June 4, 2006, 4:12 pm PDT

Tattoos

 I'm 44 years old, and got my first tattoo in my mid-30s.  I have never regretted it.  I now have 4, and if I want you to see them, you will, and if I don't want them to show, they don't.  I'm a very respected healthcare professional.  I suppose some people would be put off by my tattoos, but I'm good at sensing who would or wouldn't.  Believe it or not, sometimes having ink can help me establish rapport with a client!
I think it's ridiculous to show "age progression with tattoos."  Gee, wonder what she'll look like as an old lady without tattoos?  I just tell people I'll be wrinkly either way.
My favorite tattoo quote came from a newspaper advice column:
"The difference between people with tattoos and people without is people who have them don't care if you don't have one."
 
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June 5, 2006, 9:11 am PDT

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The reason that the other part of the show isn't being discussed is because it seemed to be something that was on the mend. That this mother and daughter have things working out well for them now that things are healing.

I'm sorry you have suffered abuse, you have my sympathy. I'm proud of you for doing the right thing and I hope one day your mother will also do the right thing. If you want my advice, I would tell you not to have a relationship with her. She's not being a mother to you so she can't offer you the "mothering things" you desire.  What about your MIL or an Aunt or A SIL or a grandparent or some one else to fill that void?

Thank you.   

  

Actually I have formed a tight bond with my husband's Aunt, as she lives close and helps me out, listens and I know that I can call her for anything and she loves my 7 year old just like one of her grandchilden.  I have also gotten closer with my mother's brother (my uncle), I trusted him enough to let him know what happend just recently and now he has kinda stepped in as a father figure and calls me or I call him about once every two weeks.   

  

I just am still confused to whether or not I should pursue any type of relationship with my mother.  I go back and forth and still haven't come up with any real answers. 

 
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June 5, 2006, 5:16 pm PDT

with sympathy

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The reason that the other part of the show isn't being discussed is because it seemed to be something that was on the mend. That this mother and daughter have things working out well for them now that things are healing.

I'm sorry you have suffered abuse, you have my sympathy. I'm proud of you for doing the right thing and I hope one day your mother will also do the right thing. If you want my advice, I would tell you not to have a relationship with her. She's not being a mother to you so she can't offer you the "mothering things" you desire.  What about your MIL or an Aunt or A SIL or a grandparent or some one else to fill that void?
I want to say that my heart goes out to you. And I was even guilty of being drawn to talk about tattoos...maybe it is because it is easier to talk about. That doesn't make it right though. Maybe Dr. Phil should have a show just about Abuse...it may have gotten over shadowed by being linked with other topics. Although I do feel he was trying to adress the relationship of the Mother and Daughter after abuse, not so much the abuse. The more I think about it, There should be a show about Sexual Abuse. It is very true that it is a subject that still needs to have more attension...it happens so much more than is reported and unfortunatly the victims are still feeling they are at fault. The effects of sexual Assult and Abuse are so unfortunatly numberous as well. As you mentioned, drinking, drugs, depression, addiction to name a few. I happen to belong to a Victims Rights Advocate Group in my area.  The group runs a hotline for victim support, and we are constantly working to support public awareness. We also work on trying to get laws passed and or not passed that would effect the victims of these horrible acts( Sexual Abuse). Actually I am not really one to press advice on others...but I do have some thoughts for you that maybe helpful. First I think you should call a Sexual Assult hotline...they could get you a  trained counsoler they maybe be better at helping with this matter...not saying your isn't good, but it is worth a try. I think it is great you have a husband and a child who love you and are there for you. Unfortunatly I think we always will have a void due to abuse, that can't ever be filled. I am sorry that your Mom choose to handle it the way she has. I don't feel having her in your life this way is helpful to you, and she really can't be a part of it if she doesn't change how she feels towards him. My personal feeling is I would lay down life and limb for my kids, and I would have NO part to do with anyone who would hurt them.  You don't need her brand of love...it is not true love( my persoanl thoughs). And above all else, remember that you are a valueable person...and your very brave for standing up for yourself...it only gets better from here. Trust me. The only other thing I would offer as advice, is God, if you have a religion...seek God. NO I am not a Bible pusher by any means ( after all I am covered by tats...lol), But I do believe in God, and I believe that he has helped my so much in my life, and for that I am grateful. I wish you all the best.
 
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June 5, 2006, 8:25 pm PDT

outside / inside -- and judging

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I thought I'd be suprised at some comments from people about tats.  I am 43 I have three grown children a wonderful husband and I am a professional!!!!! I have three tats on my back and I am proud of them I am not seeking attention my husband  gives me all I need and I ride a Harley too!!  I can't understand why people JUGDE other by their looks. We will all have our judgement day and you will not have the gavel in your hand!

I am guessing by the smiley face that you understood that I wasn't judging........ I hope that is the case anyway.........  I try not to judge the inside by the outside -- had too many apples that looked shiny and nice on the outside, but turned out mushy,  rotten, and full of worms on the inside to do the same with people.  :-) 

  

I see identity as something we all wear or perform -- and tats, body modification, clothes, hair and the like are all aspects of that.  I trust a person who is open and honest and brave enough to show their inside on the outside -- you know they hide nothing that way.   

  

I have hope that we will see a day that appearances will be the last thing that matters when it comes to our interactions with other people.  

(having just taken my teenaged son to have his tat touched up -- sooner would be better than later.......) 

  

 
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June 6, 2006, 7:00 am PDT

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tattoos  and periceings  make a person look  nasty and ugly!!   its not sexy at all.  

That is your opinion and you are welcome to it. Opinions vary though. 

 
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June 6, 2006, 10:55 am PDT

wait a minute...

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well  tattoos    are   ok but  it harms your skin.  its a sin to mark on your body. jesus did not mean for us to  mess up our bodys!!!!   i  think  tattoos  make a person ugly.  tattoos are not sexy.  it makes a man or woman  ugly and nasty looking.  you may be a great person on the inside, but on the outside it makes you look  nasty.....  periceings   are nasty too.  they make people look like  they do drugs!!!     i just think  its all  nasty looking and i  am not judgeing for who you are!  i am just saying  it makes people ugly and nasty looking thats all!!
All in one breath practically you said that tattoos and piercings were a sin...then you said they were ok...which is it? It can't be both...you sound really angry...you ok?
 
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June 6, 2006, 5:08 pm PDT

age and regrets

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 I'm 44 years old, and got my first tattoo in my mid-30s.  I have never regretted it.  I now have 4, and if I want you to see them, you will, and if I don't want them to show, they don't.  I'm a very respected healthcare professional.  I suppose some people would be put off by my tattoos, but I'm good at sensing who would or wouldn't.  Believe it or not, sometimes having ink can help me establish rapport with a client!
I think it's ridiculous to show "age progression with tattoos."  Gee, wonder what she'll look like as an old lady without tattoos?  I just tell people I'll be wrinkly either way.
My favorite tattoo quote came from a newspaper advice column:
"The difference between people with tattoos and people without is people who have them don't care if you don't have one."

Better to be an old wrinkly lady with wrinkly tattoos and no regrets than one that said "oh I wish I had" :-)    

   

My DH's grandfather is 94 -- and he is finally able to do what he always wanted to do -- but was never "allowed" to.  He came to Disney with us and rode every scary ride there -- he just got back from Hawaii and he went hang gliding while there.  He is one of the lucky ones, he has lived a long life and still has a chance to follow his dreams.  Most of us won't get to live that long -- so we should do the things that make us happy (and harm no one else) while we can.    

   

There is a sort of jealousy in some of us who allow ourselves to hold off doing daring or different things -- we wish we were that brave, and instead of aknowleging that we look outwards to lay blame or judgement.  I sure wish I had some of that self assurance that those who dare to be different have.   

   

   

 
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June 7, 2006, 9:24 pm PDT

still have a little more to say

As a guest on the show with very little time to actually speak to Kristina on air I didn't really get a chance to say my piece. First off I love tatoos. I know all about their history and certainly don't find them offensive or in bad taste, at least not all of them. I believe that everyone should have a right to express themselves and I appreciate all of the creativity and time that goes into each piece . I also understand that there are people who don't change their mind about having them and  live in a world where they are more common than not. I think that those who pass judgement because someone has a tatoo is no different than a racist disliking someone because of the color of their skin or accent. But all I am saying is, tatoos unlike most piercings, haircolor, clothing syle etc.. are very permenant. You might change your mind and although I am fine with my tatoos I don't always feel comfortable showing them. We are always growing and with every experience in life we change a little. Please don't see me as an enemy but merely a view from what may someday be your future. By the way Kristina was a doll and we learned that we had quite a bit in common......
 
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June 14, 2006, 1:44 pm PDT

Parenting Dilemmas - Sexual Abuse

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Hi everyone I just had to get on here and say I am not the only one Thank you Dr. Phil for letting me know that I am not the only person that has been destoryed by this kind of action. I was married to a man for 10 years and when I had a stroke and couldn't perform my wifely duties he started slipping around with my daughter getting her drunk and using her she became a acholic and now suffers from liver diease and he kicked her out after he married her because she got sick. It is hard to deal with this and it is hard to be with her but we try he is now out of the picture but sometimes I feel so much love for this man that itis ruining my present marriage and i don't know how to fix it. 

he was a wonderful man for 8 of those years ,I feel that I let him down........ 

To queenpatt:  

I can only imagine the pain you must feel as a mother, but please do not feel you "let him down", for you too, are one of his victims. See, that's the thing about sexual abuse, the offenders KNOW how to manipulate others, it's almost an art form with them, it's so perfected. They use shame, accusations, anything to keep the attention off of themselves and on to others. You don't mention how old your daughter was when your former husband began using her. He victimized you both, and he used you both in terrible ways. I pray you both have had counseling, or will get counseling. Without it, you are going to live with this terrible guilt that is not yours; you and your daughter have the opportunity to have a good relationship, perhaps, but only with a lot of counseling.   

Also, you said he was a wonderful man for 8 of your 10 married years...was he really? There are plenty of married men whose wives cannot have sex for physical, health related reasons, but they don't all go looking for someone else to "satisfy" them (by the way, there are other ways without going outside of the marriage!). And how about how he used, abused, and then kicked your daughter out? That doesn't sound like a Prince Charming to me!   

If you are in a good, solid marriage now, HOLD ON TO IT! This current husband deserves your love 100%, IF he is a good husband to you. If you ruin your relationship with him because of some sense of misguided loyalty or guilt over the previous man, then you will truly have something to feel guilty about.   

I pray that you will make the right decisions and be able to move ahead with your life and relationships. If you would like to e-mail me for any reason, especially if you need to "vent", please let me know.  

God's blessings to you...  

   

 
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