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Is your teen headed down a path of self destruction with drugs, alcohol, eating disorders, self injury, depression, or problems with the law? Share advice and support with other parents of troubled teens.

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August 9, 2008, 10:03 pm PDT

brother in trouble

 ok. so i'm not a parent but i'm a concerned sister. My brother is 18 and my family knows he does pot regularly because he has openly admitted it (i guess he sees nothing wrong with it) and now we believe he may be doing cocaine. we don't know though. He hangs out with the completly wrong people and when he had 3 months until he graduated high school everythng went down hill and he stopped going to school and wouldnt come home for days, no calls, nothing. For a while he had a job but he would oversleep and miss work. Then his friends and him got into trouble with friends and stolen items were involved which he claims he didnt know they were stolen but anyways, he went to jail for one night because he had a small part in the crime and my parents had to pay $1000 for his bail. Since then (about 4 months ago) he has not had another job. He is still rarely home and had started stealing from everyone in the house which consists of me, my 21 year old brother and my parents. He's stolen jewlery, alcohol, and random items that he can pawn. He got kicked out once but my mom invited him back home after 2 weeks cause she couldn't cope. I had a sister that was 26 and died of drugs and alcohol and i just don't want it to happen again. I don't know what to do to help and i don't think my parents do either. I'm afraid if they kick him out again it will only get worse for him. I have 2 sisters but neither are at home because they went to college and moved away. My brother and dad want nothing to do with him and my mom doesn't know how to help because she's fearful of loosing another child. I'm only 16 and i am the closest person he has but im still only his baby sister and i coubt he'd listen to me. What do i (we) do?? I suggested we go on the show but idk if my parents would go for that....
 
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August 17, 2008, 7:03 am PDT

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hi, this time the massage is from the teen itself. i consider myself as a very intelligent and bright kid. I usally have good grades and I have good contact with randoms and friends at school. But I put on this fake smile. I feel like i have to be normal and smiling. it also feels better when Im pretending. my current age is 15, but i've had these problems since i was about 13. it started with outbreaks and fights between me and my parents, and it just continued. but some where among the time, my parents stopped talking to me. I feel like Im still disappointing them of some reason. we have this depressing sillence, when somethings happends (usally my fault) I run away. I escape from my problems cuz my parents only yell. it hurts bad to be yelled at and being punished when all you want is help. i've been involved with serious things the last year, and my parents haven't ever given me a reason to be good, because I feel like the damage is already done, and the scars will always be there. I have laughs with my parents, i go shopping with my mum. I know they want my best and I know i shouldnt do the things I do, but i feel so tired, so burnt out. i just wanna rest, but I dont know how. I even started cying when I read the dialog about "how good do you know your teenager?" cuz I know my parents dont know those things about me, they can always guess, but they have never had the interest to sit down and have a normal, adult conversation with me. and upon that, I think they are about to divorce. my mum has a lack of sosial intelligence, it seems like she doesnt know when to take contact, and I know she loves me, but she doesnt take any warnings seriously until its too late. my father tries his best, but we're not really getting along, and he can be very aggressive, eventhough he is a nice man with good reputation and self-respect. they tell me Not to do things, but they dont tell me to do things how i should. Im just completely tired out and I feel like breaking down again, I dont think so, but I hope it will pass. I dont want go down that black hole.
 
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August 25, 2008, 5:44 pm PDT

how can we help?

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hi, this time the massage is from the teen itself. i consider myself as a very intelligent and bright kid. I usally have good grades and I have good contact with randoms and friends at school. But I put on this fake smile. I feel like i have to be normal and smiling. it also feels better when Im pretending. my current age is 15, but i've had these problems since i was about 13. it started with outbreaks and fights between me and my parents, and it just continued. but some where among the time, my parents stopped talking to me. I feel like Im still disappointing them of some reason. we have this depressing sillence, when somethings happends (usally my fault) I run away. I escape from my problems cuz my parents only yell. it hurts bad to be yelled at and being punished when all you want is help. i've been involved with serious things the last year, and my parents haven't ever given me a reason to be good, because I feel like the damage is already done, and the scars will always be there. I have laughs with my parents, i go shopping with my mum. I know they want my best and I know i shouldnt do the things I do, but i feel so tired, so burnt out. i just wanna rest, but I dont know how. I even started cying when I read the dialog about "how good do you know your teenager?" cuz I know my parents dont know those things about me, they can always guess, but they have never had the interest to sit down and have a normal, adult conversation with me. and upon that, I think they are about to divorce. my mum has a lack of sosial intelligence, it seems like she doesnt know when to take contact, and I know she loves me, but she doesnt take any warnings seriously until its too late. my father tries his best, but we're not really getting along, and he can be very aggressive, eventhough he is a nice man with good reputation and self-respect. they tell me Not to do things, but they dont tell me to do things how i should. Im just completely tired out and I feel like breaking down again, I dont think so, but I hope it will pass. I dont want go down that black hole.
you sound so much like my 15 year old son,and his father and I,khow your parents love you just we I love our son,we just don't know how to help you.We are confused as you are,we try and everything seems to be worse,please help us help you...I cried when I read this,I know you are in pain,just as I know my son is in pain,believe me when I say we as parents don't always get it either.Any advise you can give on how to help you and my son will be so appreciated.Just be the best you can be no matter what is going on around you,don't let anything take away from you what you can become.
 
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August 26, 2008, 1:23 pm PDT

i understand

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you sound so much like my 15 year old son,and his father and I,khow your parents love you just we I love our son,we just don't know how to help you.We are confused as you are,we try and everything seems to be worse,please help us help you...I cried when I read this,I know you are in pain,just as I know my son is in pain,believe me when I say we as parents don't always get it either.Any advise you can give on how to help you and my son will be so appreciated.Just be the best you can be no matter what is going on around you,don't let anything take away from you what you can become.
Dear Sheila, I understand exactly how you feel.  I am 45 yrs old now, but 30 yrs ago, I was you.  I was extremely shy, and making friends was next to impossible for me.  My family was socially prominent in our town, and I never felt like I fit in with them.  At that time, life was miserable for me.  My little sister was the pretty one, the smart one, the athletic one, and the apple of our father's eye.  No one really understood me.  My father and I couldn't be in the same room with each other without fighting.  I had 1 or 2 friends at school, but they weren't even really good friends.  I want to let you know that things can and will get better.  Your parents do love you, and they probably don't know how to help you and that can be very frustrating for them.  I suggest that you take matters into your own hands.  I really think that you need counseling.  Instead of waiting for them to realize this, do a little research on your own.  Often, your school will offering counseling services.  If this isn't an option, check and see if your town has a mental health clinic.  Often, these types of clinics charge on a sliding fee, so that if your family doesn't have medical insurance, they will work with you.  Once you have this information together, go to your parents.  Let them know that you need help and you have found a place that you can get the help that you need.  When we are kids, we think that parents should have all the answers, but sometimes, we are just as confused and scared as you are.  I hope that this advice helps you.  I went into counseling when I was your age.  After dropping out of school in the tenth grade, I went back and graduated with honors.  I graduated from college, and pursued my love of singing and acting.  I am now married, with teenagers of my own.  You can get through these difficult years.  Take an active role in helping yourself now!  It will make you stronger now, and it will show you that you can accomplish what you really set your mind to.
 
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August 26, 2008, 1:38 pm PDT

Love and Logic

Love and Logic is a parenting method that encourages choices and teaches that through our choices we choose our own consequences (whether good or bad) as well.  When they are young, give your children choices for lots of things from what to wear that day to who's house to go play at after school.  At the end of the day, discuss with them their choices and how that effected their day.  For example: Your child is being disobedient.  Tell them they have a choice to obey or disobey.  If they choose to disobey, give them a negative consequence (time-out or the like).  After the consequence is satisfied, make sure they know you love them, but ask them to tell you what happened.  This way they know how they chose their own outcome.  --from Ron
 
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September 20, 2008, 4:16 am PDT

No support from spouce

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let me tell you how hard it is when your husband does not stand by your side now my son is in a program for trobled teens he is going , but my husband  said he would pay him to go, is that sick or what I have a b ipolar l9 year old everyone can do as they please no conciquience to their actions someone please help me, im going out of my mind the only thing that helps me is my wine thats getting out of hand I truly believe my husband needs more help than anyone, should I leave what do I do
We have been married for 20 years now and if i had only known that my hubbie would not be a United front with raising our son i would have never done this again . I also know the frustration of having a troubled teen , (14) and having to raise them by ourselves.  Our son has ADHD, and Depression, And had to go into a program called SUWS of the Carolinas. He was awsome when he returned , thought we were begining to gain structure and balance , but soon to watch him slide down the scale again . I put him into an Alternitive school, so learn better with smaller classes , only now to find out the kids he's in there with are also problemed , and he is starting to following them , smoking pot on a daily basis, smoking cigg's , and drinking. I see where this is about to go , warned my husband ,with no support. I need to find out a place that is little to no cost for help for my child. I cannot do this alone anymore! I love my son dearly , and it kills me to watch this kind of behavior deterorate. HELP!!
 
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September 20, 2008, 4:28 am PDT

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In 1993 I was diagnosed with ADD, which was used to account for my incredibly disruptive and impulsive behavior both in and outside of school, but in my opinion it was a waste basket diagnosis.  As my behavior became more and more self-destructive my siblings began to resent the fact that the focus was always on me.  There achievements were barely noticed, as well as their failures, because I was in constant need of supervision.  I spent years in therapy thinking that if I could find out the one thing that I was freaked out about and deal with that one issue, then I would be okay.  The real answer to my problems wouldnt come until many years later. 

My father, who was an alcoholic and drug addict, became more of a friend than a parental figure of authority and often times our relationship exploded in violence and emotional abuse towards one another.  By the time I was 12 I was drinking and smoking pot; in fact it was the summer between 5th and 6th grade that I became a regular pot smoker.  Unable to cope with my fathers drug abuse and dishonesty my mother asked for a divorce furthering the inevitable destruction of our family.  By the time 8th grade had ended I had logged hundreds of hours of suspension and had been arrested twice; my parents knew that returning to a public school was not an option and began looking for alternatives.  Through word-of-mouth they came into contact with a small boarding school in Maine called the Hyde School. 

I was accepted to the Hyde school in the spring of 1996 and would attend the Summer Challenge Program, which is a prerequisite to acceptance in the fall, a sort of trial period if you will.  To say the least, the summer was a disaster.  In many ways it was a continuation of the problems that I had in public school; however the level of accountability had been raised.  12 years old, I felt like my mother and father had abandoned me, but in reality it was my first real opportunity to do something different in an environment that truly supported me.  I use the words reality and felt a lot because I learned from a very early age that I rarely deal with reality, but the feelings that are associated with the way I perceive reality.  I also learned, partially from my father, that if I wasnt enjoying the way I felt that it was okay to take something to alleviate that feeling.  My family was falling apart and I felt like I was the reason.

On July 5, 1996 at approximately 11 AM, I was called into the Dean of Students office.  When I was called in I immediately noticed that my mother and older brother were sitting there crying.  I was on 2-4, which was Hyde form of correction, and I figured that I had been successful in being kicked out and thats why everyone was so upset.  The truth was far worse and something that no kid ever expects.  My mother sat me down and said, Your father died yesterday; he took his own life.  Never in my life had I felt so much pain, so much anger.  I blamed my mother for divorcing him and I blamed myself for not measuring up to what I thought he wanted for me.  Years later I would learn that my father was suffering from untreated alcoholism and was therefore really sick and in the grips of progressive illness. 

I coped with the loss of my father, the distance between my mother and I, and the anger my brothers felt towards me with drugs and alcohol.  Far from being readily available on the Hyde campus, I turned to less conventional methods like huffing and snorting household chemicals.  Drinking Listerine or huffing Dust Off or Glade worked really well, although at the time I was completely unaware of how dangerous it was.  I suppose that even if I had known how dangerous it was it wouldnt have made a difference.  I am certain, more now than ever, that if Hyde hadnt have had a family proponent to its curriculum that my family would be in shambles today.  However, that is not the case and today I am closer with my family than ever before.  The notion that Hyde was different than anything I had ever experienced began during my initial interview with three simple questions Who am I? Where am I going with my life? And most importantly, how do I get there?  It should be obvious that these questions are basic and logical to ask, but never the less were absolutely essential in establishing the dynamics and issues to my family.  These would be questions that I would carry through the rest of my life, constantly reevaluating, and learning to improve upon.

The Hyde School was founded by Joseph Gauld under the tenet that Every individual is gifted with a unique potential that defines a destiny, and is guided by five words Courage, Integrity, Leadership, Curiosity and Concern.  For the first time in my life I was surrounded by a group of peers and faculty that focused on my strengths and potential rather than my deficits and disorders.  This annoyed me to no end!  I had grown accustomed to keeping everyones expectations of me in the dirt, so that when I failed at life, no one was surprised.  In other words, keep them disappointed.  It was the framework for a life built to fail, which through the Hyde program I was able to successfully dismantle, although some of that work happened after graduating from Hyde in 2000.

Built into the educational philosophy and reflected in the required family commitment at Hyde is the concept that the family is a system, a completely foreign notion to my family.  We learned that each member of the family creates and is impacted by the systems dynamics.  As Don MacMillan, faculty and Harvard graduate put it:

                Further, the family system, as it pertains to the Hyde philosophy, is multigenerational.  Parents will likely need to examine their own relationship with their own parents to effect change in their current family dynamics.  While recognizing that the student and parent(s) are members of a family, the primary emphasis at Hyde is for each individual to strive to understand his or her position in that system, and then to pursue growth by altering his or her unproductive behaviors , attitudes, roles, or beliefs.  Experience has demonstrated over the years that a students success and growth is linked to that parents growth.

This became the absolute truth in my family.  When I realized that my mother was also working on herself in terms of the aforementioned areas, I began to look at my role in the family.  Slowly I stopped acting out and began pursuing the question that had piqued my curiosity two years earlier, Who am I??  The rampant drug and alcohol abuse began to diminish as my mother addressed her own problems with alcohol.  Both my older and younger brothers came to Hyde and we each graduated two years apart.  I often relate my experience at Hyde like this My family was like a vase that had been dropped off a second story building.  Nothing was going to stop the vase from hitting the ground and shattering into a million pieces.  However, just when all hope was lost of ever putting it back together, the Hyde School led us to see that the original vase was shot through with pain, suffering, and anger and was essentially useless to begin with.  We took the pieces that seemed best fit for our family dynamic and over the years, began putting it back together, one carefully chosen piece at a time.

My brothers and I all went on to college and learned to live life not as we would have it, but as it is delivered to us.  I work for the Hyde school as an admissions consultant to prospective families in the southwest and I often ask a parent one question, Has anything youve done, up to this point in your life any easier?  For the teens that I work with it is much simpler, Are they happy about there existence and where there life is headed?  The answer I often get is, No, but  Every change I have ever made began with the notion that something could be different.  I didnt have to know what it would feel like or what the change would look like, but just the idea that it could be different was more than sufficient for me to make a beginning.

I wish to dedicate my life to families that could be restored if only they had someone who has been there to guide them.  I am not a scholar.  I am not what I would consider to be an intellectual.  I am a democrat, but have no real political agenda.  I am a recovered alcoholic, in fact I come from an alcoholic family; the disease that claimed my fathers life.  I am a Christian, but dont know nearly enough about the Bible.  I am far from perfect and make just enough mistakes to be human.  I would consider myself your typical, everyday, normal guy.  All I offer is the truth that is filtered through my experience as a husband, father, brother, and son.  Hyde neatly laid a tool kit at my feet that I have carried throughout my life and despite all the difficulties that my family and I have faced since leaving Hyde, we have been able to walk through them with grace and dignity.

Hello,

This sounds so much like our family with the exeption that i have no drug or alcohol problem. My son is beginging to be just like you! He is also ADHD and a dad who treats him as a buddie rather than a "parent" It is begingin to get out of hand with their relationship, i see it going to the point where they wil get physical with one another . I am at a loss . Maybe this Hyde is a good program for my son? He is a very Intelligant young Man, Loving , warm , and I know his potentical. I love him so much its killing me to watch this distruction!

 
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September 24, 2008, 11:15 am PDT

18 year old

My daughter turned 18 in March of this year and after few problems with her she has started rebelling.  She graduated in May and finally went to a junior college in August.  As soon as she turned 18 she lost her mind!  She started being irresponsible with her job as a CNA by not showing up, not studying for her CNA test and not passing the test.  It then led to being home by herself for 1 week and having a boy stay with her and lying to us about it.  We took her phone and her car from her because she broke the rules of our home and family.  About 2 weeks before she headed off to school we were gone to the mountains and she stayed out all night hanging out with people of bad influence, there were rumors of her drinking and smoking which she denied.  She then was fired from her job the same week for not showing up and not calling in, after she told me it wasn't her fault.  I talked to her boss and got the scoop that she was being irrisponsible.  We took her phone and her car again and she decided she couldn't handle our rules and was moving out.  She left for two weeks and stayed with the same people of horrible influence, there was no contact in that two weeks except for my 16 year old talking to her a few times and almost getting into a fight with the other girl. 

 

She is now at school and still has not admitted to her mistakes and did ask me to take her to school 48 miles away.  She came back 2 days before school started and we still have not talked about what happened, not in depth anyway.  She doesn't think she did anything wrong and says that she is 18 and should get to do what she wants.  I do not agree.  She still needs to follow our rules in order to be part of this family, she is at school without a car and at times I feel bad, but also feel that she needs to figure out that what she did is not right and be remorseful about it.  She comes home occasionally and is at times rude and disrespectful, especially when she doesn't get what she wants.  She has always been a good kid and still is, she has just lost sight of right and wrong and that her lying is causing a huge problem with herself and our family.   I would really like to give her car back to her, but don't feel she has learned her lesson.  Please help with any advice you may have.

 
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September 24, 2008, 5:32 pm PDT

18 and a new/changed daughter!

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My daughter turned 18 in March of this year and after few problems with her she has started rebelling.  She graduated in May and finally went to a junior college in August.  As soon as she turned 18 she lost her mind!  She started being irresponsible with her job as a CNA by not showing up, not studying for her CNA test and not passing the test.  It then led to being home by herself for 1 week and having a boy stay with her and lying to us about it.  We took her phone and her car from her because she broke the rules of our home and family.  About 2 weeks before she headed off to school we were gone to the mountains and she stayed out all night hanging out with people of bad influence, there were rumors of her drinking and smoking which she denied.  She then was fired from her job the same week for not showing up and not calling in, after she told me it wasn't her fault.  I talked to her boss and got the scoop that she was being irrisponsible.  We took her phone and her car again and she decided she couldn't handle our rules and was moving out.  She left for two weeks and stayed with the same people of horrible influence, there was no contact in that two weeks except for my 16 year old talking to her a few times and almost getting into a fight with the other girl. 

 

She is now at school and still has not admitted to her mistakes and did ask me to take her to school 48 miles away.  She came back 2 days before school started and we still have not talked about what happened, not in depth anyway.  She doesn't think she did anything wrong and says that she is 18 and should get to do what she wants.  I do not agree.  She still needs to follow our rules in order to be part of this family, she is at school without a car and at times I feel bad, but also feel that she needs to figure out that what she did is not right and be remorseful about it.  She comes home occasionally and is at times rude and disrespectful, especially when she doesn't get what she wants.  She has always been a good kid and still is, she has just lost sight of right and wrong and that her lying is causing a huge problem with herself and our family.   I would really like to give her car back to her, but don't feel she has learned her lesson.  Please help with any advice you may have.

There is no excuse for your daughter's apparent sudden change of attitude and behavior.  However, there is always a reason (though I've no idea what or why).  Among things that at the least ought to be considered are drug "experimentation", especially as she has been with "people of horrible influence".

 

She will always be part of your family, whether or not she follows your rules.  You may decide sometime to not let her live with you etc., but don't make that decision lightly.  She will always be your daughter. 

 

You wrote "she has just lost sight of right and wrong ... but don't feel she has learned her lesson."  How is she to regain the sight of right and wrong?  What lesson does she need to learn, and what will learning it get her? The second time you "punished" her by taking away the car and cell phone she moved in with the "horrible influence", which really doesn't help much, does it?

 

There has to be a lot missing here ... things that a qualified family counselor should be called upon to help with.  Do make an appointment with one at an early date before things deteriorate more.

 
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September 27, 2008, 10:31 pm PDT

Troubled Teens

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My daughter turned 18 in March of this year and after few problems with her she has started rebelling.  She graduated in May and finally went to a junior college in August.  As soon as she turned 18 she lost her mind!  She started being irresponsible with her job as a CNA by not showing up, not studying for her CNA test and not passing the test.  It then led to being home by herself for 1 week and having a boy stay with her and lying to us about it.  We took her phone and her car from her because she broke the rules of our home and family.  About 2 weeks before she headed off to school we were gone to the mountains and she stayed out all night hanging out with people of bad influence, there were rumors of her drinking and smoking which she denied.  She then was fired from her job the same week for not showing up and not calling in, after she told me it wasn't her fault.  I talked to her boss and got the scoop that she was being irrisponsible.  We took her phone and her car again and she decided she couldn't handle our rules and was moving out.  She left for two weeks and stayed with the same people of horrible influence, there was no contact in that two weeks except for my 16 year old talking to her a few times and almost getting into a fight with the other girl. 

 

She is now at school and still has not admitted to her mistakes and did ask me to take her to school 48 miles away.  She came back 2 days before school started and we still have not talked about what happened, not in depth anyway.  She doesn't think she did anything wrong and says that she is 18 and should get to do what she wants.  I do not agree.  She still needs to follow our rules in order to be part of this family, she is at school without a car and at times I feel bad, but also feel that she needs to figure out that what she did is not right and be remorseful about it.  She comes home occasionally and is at times rude and disrespectful, especially when she doesn't get what she wants.  She has always been a good kid and still is, she has just lost sight of right and wrong and that her lying is causing a huge problem with herself and our family.   I would really like to give her car back to her, but don't feel she has learned her lesson.  Please help with any advice you may have.

My sister used to be a lot like that. Rebellious in nature and had the idea that she was "grown up" so she should be allowed to do whatever she wants. ...Unfortunately she learned that was not so and had to really grow up when she got pregnant, so that's not really much of a solution for you...

 

However, something that did help her get back on track was therapy. Counselling. Turned out that her rebellious behavior were symptoms of depression. She would either sleep alot and shirk her chores, or stay out all night, and still shirk those same chores. It could also be a cry for attention as well. When my sister did things like that, the drinking and partying and lying about it, it was a lot of her wanting attention. It became very apparent that that was what she was after when she started dragging guys into the situation. Mainly guys she met online, some of which wouldn't know the meaning of the word "loyalty" if you stuffed it down their throat and all they wanted was sex, but either way, sexual or real, she wanted attention.

 

I think that your daughter might feel stuffed into a box right now, that could be why she is being so rebellious. The more you throw words like "rules" and "consequences" and "punishment" at her, the more she is going to feel like you want to keep her a child and the more she will fight back. That doesn't mean let her do whatever she wants, but here's something you could try: Talk to her and ask her why she does things like this, tell her it makes you feel bad and it makes you worry about her and what might happen to her if somewhere along the line, some guy decides to screw her over, or if she gets too much alcohol one night and gets sick. Also, ask her if she feels unhappy about something, if someone did something to her that made her feel upset with herself and unhappy about her life. Basically, what made her so angry at who she is and where she is living and where her life is going.

 

You could also help her feel more like an adult by giving her some responsibilities, and if she blows them, like she did her job, then don't help her.  It was her fault she got fired, she needs to deal with that and accept it was her fault on her own. That's what the real world is like, and if she wants to be an adult like she says she is, then she will have to learn to deal with things like that herself, and she will have to learn the responsibilities it takes to uphold herself as an adult.

 
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