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Created on : Thursday, June 30, 2005, 01:31:34 pm
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Is your teen headed down a path of self destruction with drugs, alcohol, eating disorders, self injury, depression, or problems with the law? Share advice and support with other parents of troubled teens.

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April 11, 2006, 1:06 pm PDT

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Self mutilation is very common.  But just because it is common does not mean it is any less a pathological way of dealing with her problems.  I know a lot about cutting.  I have 32 master's units in Marriage and family therapy and have studied the subject quite well.  I am sensing your daughter is using cutting as a response to a mood disorder or to manipulate and deal with her internalized rage.  I would not feel guilt when you discipline her.  Don't believe that she is cutting because you are disciplining her.  She is cutting because she is extremely angry and is coping with her rage by cutting.  Please buy the book "Cutting".  It is a great book to help you understand her behavior and explain why she is doing it.  Also when you ground her I would not get into this arguing.  She is winning when she gets you to argue with her.  When you ground her keep your conversations to 2-3 minutes.  Also I would also rule out a mood disorder with regard to when she cutts.  I would make an appointment to a psychiatrist with regard to her possible depression and her self mutilation.  I would write daily about her moods and how she is behaving each day for about 1-2 weeks.  Take this journal to the psychiatrist and go over it with him or her.  This is very helpful for proper assessment.  I hope this helps.

Thank you so much. I would definitely take your advice on the book, the arguing and definitely the journal. The journal is the best advice ever. I would see how it would help with proper assessment. My daughter has already told me how she isn't and will not speak to a therapist. Everything you said made perfect sense and will help quite a bit. Thank you once again. 

 
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April 11, 2006, 1:21 pm PDT

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sadly you daughter is right many students do 'show off' their cuts especially girls i imagine for attention or something. the school that i did go to (i was expelled) i knew a lot of people who did do that but they only think its cute if theres only like one cute i have not met anyone yet who has cuts up an down their arms who shows it off. i dont think that they realize that they can get in a lot of trouble. im only 14 i wrote in hear i dont feel like going in to it write now but feel free to read it if you want.its hard i kno and it will require alot of listening and understanding on your part but dont give up on her never give up my mom is making that mistake over and over again right now so im doing this on my own rite now. recognize the warning signs does she keep her wrists covered all the time or wear long sleef shirts wen its hot you have to recognize the signs before its to late because cutting can lead to more serious things if your not careful. good luck i hope this somehow helped you even if i am only a kid
My heart goes out to you. I am so sorry that you have to go through this alone. I thank you for writing back to me. I have read yours and I am sorry and hope things get better for you. I will not give up on my daughter. My mother was never there and didn't care. I was also a troubled teen. I know how that feels. I was 13 and went to friends party got drunk and raped and ended up pregnant. Through out my whole pregnacy my mother never once talked to me what was going on. Not one word. I know how you feel. But hang in there life will get better. You will always have ups and downs it is like a roller coaster. I will try some of the advice I got about keeping a journal on her moods. I thank you it does help and I send you a big hug. Take care of yourself.
 
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April 11, 2006, 1:28 pm PDT

Troubled Teens

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I know exactly how you feel. I have been through so many things with my daughter. Recently the school called me. I guess one of her friends went to the dean and told her about my daughter cutting herself. I am fell to the floor when I heard this. I also found out this wasn't the first time she had done it. She isn't doing it bad enough to go to the hospital. Just enough though to freak me out when I find out. She is already in counseling. So I have contacted the counselor and let them know what is happening. I am sure u are as I am doing all we can to help our daughters. But doesn't stop us from worrying all the time.  

  

I wish I had a answer to all this. But I am as upset and worried and confused as you are. 

  

Dream 

I thank you for you reply. Sorry to hear that you are going through the same thing. I know how you must feel. My daughter makes me worry so much. Oh she makes my heart hurt. I try to explain to her how she makes me worry so. She calls me paranoid. I wish something more can be done. I have never heard of this cutting or knew anyone whom had did it until I move to this town. And the amount of girls who do it. I  just can't believe it. Thanks again. 

  

 
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April 11, 2006, 1:35 pm PDT

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We have a 17yr old daughter who has drank herself to the point that her boyfriend callled 911.  Totalled her friends car because she was upset about her boyfriend and was driving to fast.  Arrested for internal possesion and boast about how much she can drink and smoke.  Thinks because she's pretty, her looks will get her anywhere.  - I'm her mother and I am scared to death for her.  Nothing scares her - there is no consequence too tough. Her moto is "Hey if I die, I die, at least I'm having fun".  This girl concentrates so much on being sneaky that she forgets to work on being good.  We've had her in therapy, boarding schools, and everything else we can think of.   We have two other children (1 and 3yrs. old), we are not drinkers, we try to attend church, my husband and I both work, I make dinner almost every night - I guess what I am trying to convey is that we're a pretty wholesome family.   We are now broke, tired and feel used.  Any ideas on what we can do to help her?

You should definately see a psychiatrist. After reading this, i'm 100% sure she has a mental illness that needs to be looked at. Clinical Depression (which I have) is a very big possiblility because depressed people either consciously or unconscously try to mask the depression by involving themselves in substance abuse or reckless behaviour. She is "thrill-seeking" to mask the pain of her depression or some kind of pain and illness. 

  

Perhaps she may have other disorders because it seems to me that she has no understanding of punishment and consequences. That is a charactaristic of a mental illness. 

  

She doesn't "forget" to work on being good, she just doesn't like being good because she is constantly in "thrill-seeking" mode. She is danger and i suggest you see a psychiatrist immediately. 

 
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April 11, 2006, 4:33 pm PDT

Grandchildren heading down wrong road

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Where are these children's father, and why isn't he paying child support?  

You are right when you say that you have enabled Kathy. The best thing you could do at this point is to make a resolution with your wife to stop enabling Kathy and the children, otherwise they will be doomed to repeat their mother's behavior.  

All of these issues must create stress within your marriage, have you and your wife gone to counceling? If not, I encourage you to give yourself that gift- you can't put a price tag on your emotional well being or your peace of mind! Its important that your wife and you stick together, also,  say what you mean and mean what you say. The first thing you've got to do is require more of Kathy and the children, for example, do the children have chores? Even small tasks, such as making their beds, putting shoes in the closet- whatever it may be- will give them a sense of accomplishment and build self esteem. Its never too late!! Yes, the older child will give you a hard time with chores/rules, but don't back down. She is testing her limits and trying to stretch the boundaries. The best thing you could do for her is to set and be consistant with rules/boundaries. I wish you the best, you don't deserve to be living in such a stressful environment!! 

The childrens father is gone and has been gone for over 13 years.  He is one of those men? that like to make babies but doesn't want the responsibility for caring and supporting them.  He is a wanted man in several states and one of those that use an assumed name and bogus S.S. #'s.  He is gone and good riddance to him.  I have stopped enabling Kathy but not so much my wife.  She feels very guilty about not being there for her children because her former husband (now divorced from him) is an alcoholic and used to beat her and the kids (Kathy and Joe).  She had to work several jobs to keep a roof over her and the kids head as well as put food on the table.  Consequenly, she wasn't there when Kathy needed her.  Kathy also had to watch her brother, Joe, and she is very very resentful over it.  The grandchildren do have chores to do every day and boy, do we have to pay dearly for this.  Ashley gives backtalk every day to her mother for having to do chores and boy what a mouth she has.  Would make the proverdial truck driver blush.  Ashley goes to a

psychiatrist every week and if he doesn't have gray hair he will have.  Gives the Dr. a lot of grief but to his credit he isn't giving up considers her a challenge. 

My wife and I have several health problems over the years from the stress, Pat has stress related fibromyalgia and RSD as well as IBS (Irregular Bowel Syndrome), I have IBS as well now as well as a constant annoying pain from a failed right shoulder torn rotator cuff operation I had several years ago and degenerative disk disease in my neck.  I don't know how much longer my wife and I can last as we have had several arguments over the kids and grandkids to the point that I had to remove myself from the house.  My wife and I have been married for 23 years now and we have never had arguments like we are having now.  I don't know what to do as things are not getting better and with the prospect of Justin coming back to our house in the next 6 to 12 months not knowing if he has had counseling or if he has learned to control himself (He really is not getting any help from any health care provider just getting Abilify which is supposed to help calm him down).  If you think that Justin's condition will get better just do a web search for Intermittant Explosive Disorder and Conduct Disorder and you will find that this condition is a lifelong condition without a cure.  At this moment we are not getting any help from the state or county at all just a lot of grief from them.  Since I am out of work and going to school there is no medical insurance for me just my wife since she is permanently disabled and getting SS disability.  I am reaching the end of my rope and as advised I have tied a knot at the end of that rope and hanging for dear life. 

Thanks for the reply but it is really rough here 

Jerry 

 
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April 11, 2006, 7:13 pm PDT

Have her read the newspaper more often...

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We have a 17yr old daughter who has drank herself to the point that her boyfriend callled 911.  Totalled her friends car because she was upset about her boyfriend and was driving to fast.  Arrested for internal possesion and boast about how much she can drink and smoke.  Thinks because she's pretty, her looks will get her anywhere.  - I'm her mother and I am scared to death for her.  Nothing scares her - there is no consequence too tough. Her moto is "Hey if I die, I die, at least I'm having fun".  This girl concentrates so much on being sneaky that she forgets to work on being good.  We've had her in therapy, boarding schools, and everything else we can think of.   We have two other children (1 and 3yrs. old), we are not drinkers, we try to attend church, my husband and I both work, I make dinner almost every night - I guess what I am trying to convey is that we're a pretty wholesome family.   We are now broke, tired and feel used.  Any ideas on what we can do to help her?
Here where I am at, this past Friday afternoon, there  was 16 y/o female driving her parents car and had another 16 y/o female and her sister 14 y/o with her. All three of them were drinking. The 16 y/o that was driving was upset because her boyfriend broke up with her so she was drinking and driving. She lost control of the car and crashed and KILLED her best friend, and her best friends sister had to have half of her arm amputated. Now because of this, the 16 y/o who was driving and drinking is facing MANSLAUGHTER charges. Your daughter says: "if I die, I die, at least I'm having fun", what about if she KILLS someone ELSE because of it???? Clip out articles of the newspaper and let her read them that pertain to her drinking. Better yet, let her read this post.
 
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April 12, 2006, 12:32 pm PDT

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You should definately see a psychiatrist. After reading this, i'm 100% sure she has a mental illness that needs to be looked at. Clinical Depression (which I have) is a very big possiblility because depressed people either consciously or unconscously try to mask the depression by involving themselves in substance abuse or reckless behaviour. She is "thrill-seeking" to mask the pain of her depression or some kind of pain and illness. 

  

Perhaps she may have other disorders because it seems to me that she has no understanding of punishment and consequences. That is a charactaristic of a mental illness. 

  

She doesn't "forget" to work on being good, she just doesn't like being good because she is constantly in "thrill-seeking" mode. She is danger and i suggest you see a psychiatrist immediately. 

We have a 15 year old who is headed down that path.  She has told us she does not care about us or our rules.  So we told her if you continue to have this attitude you can't live here.  She said "fine I want to go live with my grandmother".  So now she is happy.  Or at least she thinks she is unitl she realizes she will not be able to drive because we won't put her on our insurance.  Her grandmother can't afford it.  She will not get a car from us.  She will not get the perks of living with us like 200.00 allowance, lunch money to spend, etc. When she realizes this is all gone well that is reality.  I would give your daughter similar choices.  She is 17 and if she thinks life outside of the home is better let her go find out.  If you have another family member who will take her give her a choice.  Obey the rules or move out.  It sounds like you have done all  you can.  She is at an age where she has decided not to share your values.  Her values are antisocial in a way.  She will either decide this is the life she wants for herself or she will realize that your family life is a better way to live.  But she has to become accountable for her actions.  Some children are headstrong and want to learn the hard way.  So let her!!
 
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April 12, 2006, 12:33 pm PDT

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We have a 17yr old daughter who has drank herself to the point that her boyfriend callled 911.  Totalled her friends car because she was upset about her boyfriend and was driving to fast.  Arrested for internal possesion and boast about how much she can drink and smoke.  Thinks because she's pretty, her looks will get her anywhere.  - I'm her mother and I am scared to death for her.  Nothing scares her - there is no consequence too tough. Her moto is "Hey if I die, I die, at least I'm having fun".  This girl concentrates so much on being sneaky that she forgets to work on being good.  We've had her in therapy, boarding schools, and everything else we can think of.   We have two other children (1 and 3yrs. old), we are not drinkers, we try to attend church, my husband and I both work, I make dinner almost every night - I guess what I am trying to convey is that we're a pretty wholesome family.   We are now broke, tired and feel used.  Any ideas on what we can do to help her?
We have a 15 year old who is headed down that path.  She has told us she does not care about us or our rules.  So we told her if you continue to have this attitude you can't live here.  She said "fine I want to go live with my grandmother".  So now she is happy.  Or at least she thinks she is unitl she realizes she will not be able to drive because we won't put her on our insurance.  Her grandmother can't afford it.  She will not get a car from us.  She will not get the perks of living with us like 200.00 allowance, lunch money to spend, etc. When she realizes this is all gone well that is reality.  I would give your daughter similar choices.  She is 17 and if she thinks life outside of the home is better let her go find out.  If you have another family member who will take her give her a choice.  Obey the rules or move out.  It sounds like you have done all  you can.  She is at an age where she has decided not to share your values.  Her values are antisocial in a way.  She will either decide this is the life she wants for herself or she will realize that your family life is a better way to live.  But she has to become accountable for her actions.  Some children are headstrong and want to learn the hard way.  So let her!!
 
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April 12, 2006, 9:51 pm PDT

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thank you and your welcome but i really honestly dont want sympathy from everyone i just need to blow off steam sometimes i am proud of my self today i have gone almost 4 days without cutting! jb7 was right it is a great feeling of a sort of accomplishment to see your cuts heal tho still depresssing that you kno they will be scars and will be there forever. i try not to think about it wen i was happier i would always say live for today and worry about tommorow wen it gets here i think its finally time to start living. i wont be on much sometimes being on here depreses me but i will keep in touch my papa died the other day and i might need support in the next few days. its okay tho he was94 and had a long healthy life i will miss him though
 
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April 13, 2006, 12:16 pm PDT

helloo.. i just read ur post

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Hello. I am a mother of four children. Daughters 18,15,11 and son 7. My first daughter was a breeze. I had no crazy teenage daughter stuff to go through. My second daughter whom is 15 which I know every child is different and I really never expected it to go so easy with her. Well my dilemma right now is that my daughter has cut herself a couple of years ago one time. And just recently my neice has informed me and her father that she had did it again alot worst then she had last time. She was angry because she was grounded for a week (no friends, no calls and no computer) of course her lawyer mode kicked in and she had to defend on how stupid it was how stupid her parents were and how much she hated us. Well after all argumenting was done she was given a month groundment and that would be when we found out she cut herself again. We are now in the process of trying to find a doctor outside of this small town that I live in. Where I have spoke to other parents whom have tooken there children to doctors regarding the same issue and as some of the children whom have posted messages say just a couple of visits and it is ruled out that they are teenagers. Me and my daughter have had good communication and she tells me just about everything more than what I need to know sometimes and she reminds me of how hard it is to be a teenage girl. She knows that I am here for her. Any advice regarding the cutting would be helpful. I guess the topic of cutting has gotten so bad my daughter tells me about how many girls do it at school and how they show it off as if they have gotten a new tattoo.  

m 15 years old and i was a cutter. I havent done it in a week, which is good for me. Grounding her? i know im not no mother but being in this situation i dont think grounding her would help, she wopuld feel guilty and maybe get depressed if she isnt already. Its hard to stop, ive been doing it for 2 years and erventually tried to comitte suiside. I just got out of tyhe sycheatric ward last week!! and being in there has compltetly changed my life. Yes it made me more depressed at first but it does help! it is h*** in there and i never want to go back.
 
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