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Created on : Thursday, July 06, 2006, 07:03:12 pm
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They're rowdy, wild and uncontrollable. They have no respect for authority, demand what they want when they want it, and there's hell to pay when they don't get it. If bratty kids are ruining your world, Dr. Phil has advice on taking back parental control. His first guest, Tabitha, feels like she's living with an abusive man, but it's not her husband; it's her 6-year-old son, Justin. He says, 'I hate you' at least 40 times a day and threatens her with knives and lighters. Is Tabitha contributing to the chaos? Then, Shelley says that her defiant 18-year-old daughter, Mackenzie, is worse than a brat. She's a high school senior who stays out until 5:00 a.m., then cusses at her mom for waking her up to go to school. Is it too late for Mackenzie to change her ways? Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

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July 10, 2006, 9:41 am PDT

07/10 Biggest Brats

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I don't completely understand the differences between kids who can help it and kids who can't.  I don't doubt that many parents can do better.  However, before you dismiss mental illness take a minute to live with it.  It doesn't take long to realize that when a two year old can get angry enough to flip a full size bed, something is wrong.  When that child doesn't respond to normal discipline and only escalates, there is something wrong.  Don't be sure that we aren't  "saying what we mean, and meaning what we say."  My husband and I are so much more structured and consistent with our son than the average parent, that our lives are actually completely disrupted by the structure that must be in place for him to even function.  My nine year old son has been diagnosed with ADHD, bi-polar, etc.  and No.  These aren't just tags that have been hung on him for excuses.  We have actually switched drs. several times to try to get more help, and the expense is incredible.  The community needs to figure out how to support those of us trying to save these children from prison, rather than blame us.  His drs. and counselors tell us that we have hung on more than other parents that they have seen.  I understand why parents give up, partly because people like you, point there fingers at us and say we should be able to do better.  For the record, we have three other children who are on the honor roll at school, don't move clips or cards etc., and respond to discipline like children should.  I could brag and say that "I trained them to be so perfect."  But I'll say it like it is.  I am blessed with three mentally healthy children and one who needs help every day just to face the world.  Parenting 3 compliant children does not come close in difficulty to parenting one with problems.  You can not love their pain away, spank it away, discipline it away.... I'm still trying to pray it away.  These are God's children, and I just wish you wouldn't be so quick to assume that the parenting must be bad.  I love my children, and will do everything I can for them, but I do not know that my son will ever be able to function properly in society.  He has been "trained" to "act" properly.  I get compliments all the time on his wonderful behavior.  He is a Super kid, until something triggers a rage.  Then, watch out.  I'm especially sensitive today because he has had three rages in the last two days that have lasted for more than an hour each.  I'm tired, stressed, and disappointed.  You havn't felt helpless until you see that nothing you do is working, the medicines help, but not enough.  And in the mean time, you're missing out on your other children. 
Please don't take what one person says to heart. They obviously really can't comprehend what you and your family-father/husband and other siblings go through every day. I wish I had a "fix" for you. Sounds like you are doing what you can by changing Dr's etc. Are there any support groups that your Dr. can suggest? What about groups on line? Maybe the nurse at school can recommend someone. (But you have probably already asked these questions)  I do hope you can find what you need for your "whole family". Take each day as it comes, I know it's hard. Hang in there, prayers do get answered....Good Luck..
 
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July 10, 2006, 10:27 am PDT

As someone who has been there

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I have a nine year old son who is what some call a BRAT, When he is told no about anything he goes into a rage. When I say rage I mean he flips tables chairs,anything that will turn over.At four he was put in a time out for punching his sister in the stomach.He kicked out his window with his bare feet. So I know how this woman fells about her 6 year old .I lock my self in rooms to keep me safe.My son tells me he hates me he is going to kill me or anyone he is mad at. I have taken him to Doctors they say ADHD,Bipolar and quite a few other things. He is nine now and on 5 different kinds of meds. They helped but he still gets out of control.My husband and I enforce all discipline that does no good at all.I am so worried that one day he will hurt me or someone. I am scared that one day I will be visiting him in jail or worse that I will be putting flowers on his grave.

As someone who has been there, (flipping tables, kicking walls, etc.) I suggest Paxil.  There may even be TBI (traumatic brain injury) involved. 

  

Before I was on Paxil, I had even pulled a butcher knife on my father the night after he and I got into a fight and he put me into a wall. 

  

Paxil is a lifesaver-literally.  I've been on it for nine years and I wish I had it sooner. 

 
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July 10, 2006, 10:30 am PDT

what saddens me the most is seeing parents not taking the children to christ

if parents would take children to meet and learn of jesus children wouldnt grow up and act this way, jesus can and will chance the hearts of children, but we parentsmust take the first step by taking the children to church, after all god does dwell within the walls of the churches, go let the children learn of all the joys jesus has to teach and show them, watch your children change before your very eyes, every parent owes it to thear children to go to church as often as possable, and trying to live life the way jesus, wants us to live, after all our children do indeed learn how to act by the way we act and live our lives,no child is borne with a deamon inside them, they learn to act that way from the way we act,set a good impression on your children go to church with them!!!!!!!!! it sure as hell cant hurt from what i saw today on this show
 
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July 10, 2006, 10:32 am PDT

bratty teenagers?

i have 2 teenage girls that can be the biggest brats!! they just think they can do as they wish, say what they want and be mean to everyone (meaning saying bad things to other children like their siblings or hitting them.) honestly overall they are pretty good girls just get in their nasty moods and disrespect everyone. i dont let them run the strrets or anything like that. i would say 80% of the time they are at home. i dont let them go out alot unless i know who their with and where they r going. im very protective. they are 15 and 16. does anyone think i dont let them get out enough?? i dont know what to do anymore. they can get so nasty at times that i just feel like slapping them, but i dont, i dont believe in hitting and never have. maybe thats the problem. but now since they are older how do i deal with their attitudes and disrespect? sometimes if i dont let them do what they want they can be the worst people to be around so i let them do it, i know this doesnt help the situation but what do i do? do i deal with their disrespect and attitudes or do i let them just go? i know i shouldnt let them go if they do this but what do i do? how would i go about it? if anyone has any ideas about teenagers plz tell me, dont be afraid to be strong and let me know how u feel!!!
 

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July 10, 2006, 10:35 am PDT

Tantrums r ez to deal with

Let me tell how to deal with tantrums its ez. 

1. when the kid is having a fit over something he/she wants, say. 

2. let them have their dumb fit. Now we don't want to hear the annoying screaming do we?  

3. leave the room. REMEMBER you're not being a bully, you're doing what's best for them and you. 

4. if they follow you, put some earplugs 

5. they will have a fit for 15-20 minutes then they will raise the white flag. 

6. explain why you refused WHEN they are CALM. Tell them how to communicte properly. 

 After this, you will only have to deal with 3 other tantrums from them or less. 

 
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July 10, 2006, 10:57 am PDT

Spanking

I find it interesting that people who don't spank always assume an authoritative tone when they say things like, "Most parents spank in anger".     

  

How do they know?  Did they take a poll?  

  

Abuse is done in anger.  A spanking administered in anger is abuse.  

  

A spanking administered properly is a powerful tool.  

  

I never spanked my children in anger.    Remember you mom or dad saying "Go to your room and wait for me." ?     I always thought they did that on purpose to further rattle my little cage, but as a parent I learned there was a good reason that kids should "wait".    Often times the parent needs to calm down!  

  

I don't trust any parent who says, "i never get mad or frustrated with my kids."    They're liars.  EVERYONE does.    

  

I hated giving a spanking, but if things got bad enough that it came down to this last resort, I had no choice.   My children weren't spanked until they were old enough to know what was going on and why.    Nor did I continue spanking after they were old enough to be punished in a different way, i.e. curtailing computer/tv time, etc.      

  

But between ages 4 to about 7ish my children DID get spanked.    The odd thing about it is, once you do it...you probably won't have to do it again.       I can count on one hand the number of times I had to spank both my kids...that's BOTH of them on one hand.      

  

After having them wait, I'd go into their rooms, explain to them why they were getting the spanking, administer the spanking, then leave them alone for about 15 minutes.  Afterward, I'd return, tell them I loved them and give them a hug.     

  

My kids are 15 and 13 now.  We're very close.  They do well in school, they've always been the well behaved kids and they're still reaping the benefits of being taught how to behave.    They're always welcome in any home.   They still get compliments from their friends' parents.    They have the benefit of being able to establish good reputations for themselves and that's a valuable commodity.      

  

I know it's awful to spank, but it's more awful for the parent than the child if done properly.  And that's key...IT MUST BE DONE PROPERLY!!!      I believe parents who refuse to spank even though no other form of punishment is working are being selfish.   They're putting their own self image ahead of their child's needs.     

  

One poster on this message board suggested that a child should be practically put in a padded room and allowed to expell his or her rage.   Are you serious???    How is that training for real life?    When are we, as adults, EVER allowed to give full sway to rage?     That sounds like you think your kid is an animal incapable of learning to control his or her emotions.    If they never learn to control themselves they'll be sorely out of step with society.   I hope we can hold our children to higher standards.  

 

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July 10, 2006, 11:09 am PDT

07/10 Biggest Brats

Quote From: afraid

if parents would take children to meet and learn of jesus children wouldnt grow up and act this way, jesus can and will chance the hearts of children, but we parentsmust take the first step by taking the children to church, after all god does dwell within the walls of the churches, go let the children learn of all the joys jesus has to teach and show them, watch your children change before your very eyes, every parent owes it to thear children to go to church as often as possable, and trying to live life the way jesus, wants us to live, after all our children do indeed learn how to act by the way we act and live our lives,no child is borne with a deamon inside them, they learn to act that way from the way we act,set a good impression on your children go to church with them!!!!!!!!! it sure as hell cant hurt from what i saw today on this show
I grew up going to church and trust me, I saw lots and lots of brats there. I am an atheist and my daughter RARELY throws tantrums.

Consistency is what children need. If church is the way you personally find a way to give them that consistency then good for you, but it's not the only way.
 
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July 10, 2006, 11:27 am PDT

Im NOT scared

I can not believe that this lady is actually SCARED of HER child. There would be no day on this God's green earth that I would ever be afraid of EITHER one of my children!! I myself do not believe in being scared of your own children. I just don't believe the mother is too soft and she needs to buckle down and be the mother she is capable of doing. I am a firm believer to act up you get punished!!! If this continues when he gets older he may be the death of her. She needs to stop it right now. If it is help that she need I hope Dr. Phil gives it to her.
 
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July 10, 2006, 11:44 am PDT

biggest brats

well  if   some kids  were  in church and  in a  christian  family!   with  christian  values.  they would not be that way.  its how they are  brought up. the way they act or react to things in life.  kids learn  things by there mom and dad.  they  learn from the  way  there parents do things. 

 
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July 10, 2006, 11:53 am PDT

07/10 Biggest Brats

Quote From: afraid

if parents would take children to meet and learn of jesus children wouldnt grow up and act this way, jesus can and will chance the hearts of children, but we parentsmust take the first step by taking the children to church, after all god does dwell within the walls of the churches, go let the children learn of all the joys jesus has to teach and show them, watch your children change before your very eyes, every parent owes it to thear children to go to church as often as possable, and trying to live life the way jesus, wants us to live, after all our children do indeed learn how to act by the way we act and live our lives,no child is borne with a deamon inside them, they learn to act that way from the way we act,set a good impression on your children go to church with them!!!!!!!!! it sure as hell cant hurt from what i saw today on this show

I am Pagan and I am raising my children with the Pagan faith, and I have to tell you, they are more well behaved than most kids.   

  

This isn't about religion, it is about parents not following through with discipline. 

 
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