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April 10, 2008, 9:42 am PDT

School Issues

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ALL of the kids in the high school are given a day planner at the beginning of the school year to write their assignments in.  Scott does NOT fill it out.  He is SUPPOSED to be filling it out and getting it signed, but the teachers are NOT enforcing it when he is in class.  It has been BLANK since the beginning of school.  When it is filled out (rare occasion), he writes down sort-of what was done in class without writing down the specific assgnments.

 

We are in weekly email contact with the teachers, but usually, they do not spell out exactly what the assignments are...supposed to be Scott's responsibility to fill out his planner, but this isn't happening.  I COULD stop by after school every day and take Scott around to his classes to copy the homework assignment off the boards, but many of the teachers leave right after school, and I shouldn't have to do this at his age.

 

I have an appointment with the school counselor and a school counselor intern to discuss what we can do with him...somehow, he needs to get the message of good work ethic.  He is very smart, but he isn't using his time to do his work.  If he would work in class, he probably wouldn't have a lot of work to bring home.  He has a 504 plan because of the ADHD, and the teachers are supposed to be re-directing him when he gets off track, but this isn't happening.  It is in his 504 plan for reduced amounts of work, but I don't really think that is the solution...he needs to learn to do ALL of his work and use his time wisely in preparation for college.  Also, he needs to be able to do his work in class, or he won't pass the WASL next year.  He has three tries at it, and then we have to start paying $100 for each re-take.  Without passing the WASL, he won't get a diploma, just a GED.  There are NO WASL accomodations for ADHD.

 

Until Scott decides that he should do his work when he is supposed to, it's not going to happen.  We are trying to do everything we can to find out ahead of time what his assignments are...even then, he says that he completed it in class and turned it in...can't prove any different until the grades are posted days later.

 

A ray of hope...his older brother, also with ADHD, came around in his junior year and graduated high school on the honor roll...we're hoping that as he matures, he will realize that he actually has to work to get by in life.

 

Yesterday, Scott cleaned all of the leaves off of the deck.  If there is no homework today, he will be raking the back yard and scooping dog poop.  He will NOT be playing until he has done that, read his AR book for an hour, and practiced his trumpet.  He is banned from the computer until he has NO missing assignments...could be a long time until he earns those privigedges back.

 

Thanks for your input...Becky

oh becky if only his teachers would do there part and enforce it, you could have more help maybe when you go in and talk they can get the teachers on board.  I don't have any children as old has yours so I don't know what else to suggest. 

 

I wish you all the luck in the world thou.

 

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April 11, 2008, 9:32 am PDT

update?

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Good Morning Everyone.

 

It is really quiet around here.  Where is everyone?

 

I had a productive, relaxing weekend.  How was yours?

We haven't heard from you in awhile...how goes it with the assistant principal and company?  I hope that you are working things out, or making lots of noise...LOL

 

Becky

 
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April 14, 2008, 1:55 pm PDT

Report Card

Anne's 3rd 9 weeks'  grades came out today -- As & Bs. I was a tad disappointed with the drop in the Language Arts grade, but heartened by the rise in the Science grade, so I guess it evened out.

 

=) 

 

Now she's reading Huck Finn for her final book report of the year. She was a bit shocked when she realized she was going to have to pull 20 pages a day for her to finish with enough prep time. The math didn't lie, though.

 

What's new with the rest of you all?

 

Prof

 
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April 15, 2008, 9:23 am PDT

AAARRRGGG!!

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Anne's 3rd 9 weeks'  grades came out today -- As & Bs. I was a tad disappointed with the drop in the Language Arts grade, but heartened by the rise in the Science grade, so I guess it evened out.

 

=) 

 

Now she's reading Huck Finn for her final book report of the year. She was a bit shocked when she realized she was going to have to pull 20 pages a day for her to finish with enough prep time. The math didn't lie, though.

 

What's new with the rest of you all?

 

Prof

Congrats to Ann on her good grades.  I read Huck Finn when I was a kid...loved it!!  I wonder, have they updated the book?...it uses the "N" word to refer to N-Jim, the slave...very offensive to some, but it is a part of our history, unfortunately. 

 

Scott continues to be behind...not doing his work...he finally brought home his binder...many of the missing assignments are in there.  He still doesn't have a clue on how to properly fill out his planner.  He writes down what they did in cryptic code...doesn't write down the specifics of the assignments.  I am showing up after school today to talk with some of his teachers.  I have a meeting later this week with the school counselor...I made him get started on the work in his binder...he didn't get very far...he can't seem to focus long enough to get anything done!!  He did do better when I let him go to his room to do the work...but that doesnt' always work...he has way too much missing work to ever make up.  I told him that he will be making up the big assignments that are worth the most points.  The rest will have to be let go.  BUT, he needs to do ALL of his work for the rest of the trimester if he hopes to save his grades. 

 

I don't know what he does in class...I suspect that the teachers are NOT giving him the supervision that he needs...not re-directing him when he is playing around.  He claims that the teachers don't give enough time to finish the assignments in class...that's where I said...if it's not finished in class, he needs to bring it home to finish it..."homework"!!

 

All the chaos with Scott is affecting Matthew...he doesn't like conflict...and there is plenty with Scott...we are trying to be calm...but we are so exasperated!!!!  If TV is on, Scott is glued...so NO TV for anybody in the afternoon and evening unless Scott is working in his room...and if he is actually getting something done!! 

 

I just want him to realize that if he would just engage himself and do the work, it would get done...He gets A's on everything that he does turn in...it is so frustrating that he DOESN'T do most of his work!!

 

He has Narcolepsy, and he is on 200 mg of Provigil in the morning, and 100 mg after school...but he is still tired...I'm not sure what else can be done...

 

Narcolepsy involves sleep disturbances, and there is an experimental drug out there to deal with that, but I really don't like the potential side effects...the drug is Xyrem...also known as the "date rape" drug...it is to be taken at bedtime, and again 2 1/2 to 4 hours later...have to wake up in the middle of the night to take it!!...but that's not the worst of it...it can cause bed wetting...who wants that???  Besides, insurance won't pay for experimental drugs.  Currently, it is so closely regulated by the FDA, that a regular pharmacy can't distribute it.  It comes directly from the government by Fed Ex, signature required...This drug was offered to me as an option for my own Narcolepsy...but I think not!!  I wouldn't take it myself, and I wouldn't subject my kids to it either!!

 

Well, on to my day...Becky

 
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April 16, 2008, 1:22 pm PDT

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I met with the school counselor, and a student counselor intern today.  We went over, in depth, my perception of Scott's homework problems....to put it simply, he's not doing it...he sits and stares at it, plays with dust specks, or complains about every little noise in the room...anything to avoid actually working...avoiding any kind of engagement in his work...it is really frustrating.  He is also doing NOTHING in class toward his assignments.

 

Basically, when Scott doesn't work in class, it goes unnoticed because he is not disruptive...he quietly gets away with doing nothing.  Then, he comes home saying that he finished his work and turned it in.

 

We came up with a multi-faceted plan to motivate Scott to do his work...because I think it is lack of motivation...lack of seeing the long-term consequences of not doing his daily work.

 

1.  Scott will earn 5 minutes of computer time for each current assignment that he brings home and shows me...I will ask him every day to show me his work.  If he finished it and turned it in, or if there was truely no assignment for the day, he needs to get a note and signature in his planner from the teacher.  If he has nothing to show me, then he doesn't earn that time.  When the assignment is complete, or for multiple-day assignments, if the proper proportion of the assignment is complete, he will earn another 5 minutes.  This adds up to 40 minutes.  He wil earn the other 20 minutes by reading his AR book for an hour...that is an hour per day on the computer, if he earns it.

 

2.  Scott will continue to earn 50 cents per day on his allowance for meeting the above requirements...long term reward, as allowance is paid every two weeks...and every day adds up...

 

3.  We are not going to have him make up the past missing work...fresh start from today on...the missing work will have less impact on his overall grade with every assignment that he turns in.  If he does any of the past missing assignments, he will get bonus points toward computer time.  With so many missing assignments, there it is not physically possible for him to do them, so it is best just to cut our losses.

 

4.  We will talk with him and come up with a long-term reward, and incremental rewards, for bringing up his cumulative averages on his grades...currently hovering at 40% or less in Math, Social Studies, and Science...I don't know what these will be...we will find out what Scott wants to earn...nothing that costs a lot of money, as we are not rich...maybe a trip out for ice cream, or a pay-per-view movie...or a Saturday of all day TV, where he gets to pick everything that's on...we don't usually allow TV on Saturdays after 9 AM...if they want cartoons, the kids have to get up early.  I don't know...we'll see what sparks his interest.

 

5.  Scott will have to sign a contract agreeing to the terms set above...the consequences for not doing his work is the reduction or revocation of computer time.

 

We will still allow for an hour of snack/play time for both boys right after school...they need some time for exercise and to wind down after school.

 

Now, the task is to come up with something that feels fair to Matthew...he has no problem doing his work in school, and getting his homework done.  He also reads for an hour a day.  Then, he gets his hour on the computer...simple as that.  He earns his 50 cents every day for his homework and reading.  We need to get creative and find some goals that he wants to achieve, so he, too, can earn some type of extra rewards.

 

I realize that some people feel that kids shouldn't be paid for doing their homework, but incentives work better than punishments...the punishment being the denial of the incentive reward...and we don't believe in "free" allowance...it's not an entitlement.  We also pay small amounts for chores...they are expected to do them, and they get rewarded for doing a good job...10 cents for taking out the trash, 20 cents for doing the dishes, etc...doing the chores daily adds up...extra chores outside of the normal expectations earn even more...there is a potential for the kids to earn up to $15 in two weeks.  BUT only a good job done earns the reward...they have to go back and re-do it, if it is not done well the first time.

 

The point of Scott's contract is to start having some immediate consequences for his homework, since, right now, it is completely out of control...seeing the allowance, or lack of it, every two weeks doesn't seem to sink in with him.  And yelling does nothing but add to my own frustration.

 

Scott wants to do his homework in his room, unsupervised.  We will be checking on him after 30 minutes.  If he has made the expected amount of progress, he can continue to work there.  If not, he has to come out to the dining room, or to the couch for the next 30 minutes.  Perhaps with the new incremented computer time earnings, he will be motivated to work....I'm not sure, though, how we'll deal with it if not all of the homework is finished by the cut-off time for having time on the computer...do we let him have the computer time he has earned for assignments completed when not all of the assignments are completed, or does it accumulate for another day (which kind of defeats the purpose of immediate rewards)?

 

I'll keep everybody posted on how this plan works out.  We need to make sure that Matthew is getting the attention that he deserves...the quiet, compliant child can easily be cheated on parental time when there is another one who requires so much attention.

 

Becky

 

 
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April 16, 2008, 6:24 pm PDT

School Issues

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I met with the school counselor, and a student counselor intern today.  We went over, in depth, my perception of Scott's homework problems....to put it simply, he's not doing it...he sits and stares at it, plays with dust specks, or complains about every little noise in the room...anything to avoid actually working...avoiding any kind of engagement in his work...it is really frustrating.  He is also doing NOTHING in class toward his assignments.

 

Basically, when Scott doesn't work in class, it goes unnoticed because he is not disruptive...he quietly gets away with doing nothing.  Then, he comes home saying that he finished his work and turned it in.

 

We came up with a multi-faceted plan to motivate Scott to do his work...because I think it is lack of motivation...lack of seeing the long-term consequences of not doing his daily work.

 

1.  Scott will earn 5 minutes of computer time for each current assignment that he brings home and shows me...I will ask him every day to show me his work.  If he finished it and turned it in, or if there was truely no assignment for the day, he needs to get a note and signature in his planner from the teacher.  If he has nothing to show me, then he doesn't earn that time.  When the assignment is complete, or for multiple-day assignments, if the proper proportion of the assignment is complete, he will earn another 5 minutes.  This adds up to 40 minutes.  He wil earn the other 20 minutes by reading his AR book for an hour...that is an hour per day on the computer, if he earns it.

 

2.  Scott will continue to earn 50 cents per day on his allowance for meeting the above requirements...long term reward, as allowance is paid every two weeks...and every day adds up...

 

3.  We are not going to have him make up the past missing work...fresh start from today on...the missing work will have less impact on his overall grade with every assignment that he turns in.  If he does any of the past missing assignments, he will get bonus points toward computer time.  With so many missing assignments, there it is not physically possible for him to do them, so it is best just to cut our losses.

 

4.  We will talk with him and come up with a long-term reward, and incremental rewards, for bringing up his cumulative averages on his grades...currently hovering at 40% or less in Math, Social Studies, and Science...I don't know what these will be...we will find out what Scott wants to earn...nothing that costs a lot of money, as we are not rich...maybe a trip out for ice cream, or a pay-per-view movie...or a Saturday of all day TV, where he gets to pick everything that's on...we don't usually allow TV on Saturdays after 9 AM...if they want cartoons, the kids have to get up early.  I don't know...we'll see what sparks his interest.

 

5.  Scott will have to sign a contract agreeing to the terms set above...the consequences for not doing his work is the reduction or revocation of computer time.

 

We will still allow for an hour of snack/play time for both boys right after school...they need some time for exercise and to wind down after school.

 

Now, the task is to come up with something that feels fair to Matthew...he has no problem doing his work in school, and getting his homework done.  He also reads for an hour a day.  Then, he gets his hour on the computer...simple as that.  He earns his 50 cents every day for his homework and reading.  We need to get creative and find some goals that he wants to achieve, so he, too, can earn some type of extra rewards.

 

I realize that some people feel that kids shouldn't be paid for doing their homework, but incentives work better than punishments...the punishment being the denial of the incentive reward...and we don't believe in "free" allowance...it's not an entitlement.  We also pay small amounts for chores...they are expected to do them, and they get rewarded for doing a good job...10 cents for taking out the trash, 20 cents for doing the dishes, etc...doing the chores daily adds up...extra chores outside of the normal expectations earn even more...there is a potential for the kids to earn up to $15 in two weeks.  BUT only a good job done earns the reward...they have to go back and re-do it, if it is not done well the first time.

 

The point of Scott's contract is to start having some immediate consequences for his homework, since, right now, it is completely out of control...seeing the allowance, or lack of it, every two weeks doesn't seem to sink in with him.  And yelling does nothing but add to my own frustration.

 

Scott wants to do his homework in his room, unsupervised.  We will be checking on him after 30 minutes.  If he has made the expected amount of progress, he can continue to work there.  If not, he has to come out to the dining room, or to the couch for the next 30 minutes.  Perhaps with the new incremented computer time earnings, he will be motivated to work....I'm not sure, though, how we'll deal with it if not all of the homework is finished by the cut-off time for having time on the computer...do we let him have the computer time he has earned for assignments completed when not all of the assignments are completed, or does it accumulate for another day (which kind of defeats the purpose of immediate rewards)?

 

I'll keep everybody posted on how this plan works out.  We need to make sure that Matthew is getting the attention that he deserves...the quiet, compliant child can easily be cheated on parental time when there is another one who requires so much attention.

 

Becky

 

I hear ya about the AARGGGHHHH.

 

I think you are wise to be mindful of Matthew -- I have it the other way. Anne (for the most part, anymore -- she gets into "modes" sometimes, LOL) is compliant, but Jack is 3 and requires a lot of my attention just because he's 3!

 

Let's hope this incremental reward system works!

 

Prof

 
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April 17, 2008, 9:23 pm PDT

HEY THERE FRIENDS,

It been awhile,we went on a vacation to the Rockies in Alberta for spring break and the month {March}I could really use it  we had meeting up to the last hour on the day we were to leave along with well lets say this We got home at 7p.m and from the extremely bad month I honestly could not even pack for Wyatt was having bad dreams needed to be held always and I spent ever day with doctors,schools and meeting ya It was nice to leave ,so at 7 I am trying to pack ,get the dogs/birds stuff  ready plus shop for food for my nephe and the house ready since he was staying here,

Lets talk about April,it been o/k so far yatt is in classes for social skills and swimming joing the YMCA for extra  activities for him,The lunch room monitors are talked to and we came to agreement,In a way I am glad for it is April but then again it will be sad for his elementary years are over and it was  emotional
experience especially he is leaving as a special needs child and he enter without any signs,
Well I must get to the post and read them to see how ever one is doing ,donot want to keep ging on about me it sounds so selfess,hehe
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April 17, 2008, 9:39 pm PDT

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I hear ya about the AARGGGHHHH.

 

I think you are wise to be mindful of Matthew -- I have it the other way. Anne (for the most part, anymore -- she gets into "modes" sometimes, LOL) is compliant, but Jack is 3 and requires a lot of my attention just because he's 3!

 

Let's hope this incremental reward system works!

 

Prof

 ,With working with both boys this wa y one not feeling left out etc,and I understand about the children regarding loud one I am at the school and notice this with some sibling and wish the parents to see the other ones at times,
Wy has got into a slow mode moving where everything takes up more time then it should and I realized that the morning were getting frustrating and this didn't help with him going to school or evening roultins it been on/off for  a over month it this wa ssbad last month and some of the negaive behavior carried over
so i bought a timer ,it is working regarding from getting dress to doing his homework,he is staying focas and the extra minutes that are left go to his free time,eg today 9 miutes to get dressed,brush his teeth it use to take him 15- 35 minutes to do!!!!crazy hey ?I even have his clothes out so he is learning to get it down and if he doesn't I donot take away no minutes,maybe later but need to work on this 1st and he is starting to speed himself up and today was sooo happy he had an extra 2 1/2 minutes extra,I add them up and he had atotal of 7 minutesso I undersatand what u are going through I only have 1 child but am on my toes to add minutes up and I will let him to trade them in also for going out for ice creme It doesn't cost allot to give them happy memorieslet me know how everything going for u?
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April 18, 2008, 9:44 am PDT

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 ,With working with both boys this wa y one not feeling left out etc,and I understand about the children regarding loud one I am at the school and notice this with some sibling and wish the parents to see the other ones at times,
Wy has got into a slow mode moving where everything takes up more time then it should and I realized that the morning were getting frustrating and this didn't help with him going to school or evening roultins it been on/off for  a over month it this wa ssbad last month and some of the negaive behavior carried over
so i bought a timer ,it is working regarding from getting dress to doing his homework,he is staying focas and the extra minutes that are left go to his free time,eg today 9 miutes to get dressed,brush his teeth it use to take him 15- 35 minutes to do!!!!crazy hey ?I even have his clothes out so he is learning to get it down and if he doesn't I donot take away no minutes,maybe later but need to work on this 1st and he is starting to speed himself up and today was sooo happy he had an extra 2 1/2 minutes extra,I add them up and he had atotal of 7 minutesso I undersatand what u are going through I only have 1 child but am on my toes to add minutes up and I will let him to trade them in also for going out for ice creme It doesn't cost allot to give them happy memorieslet me know how everything going for u?
Deb

I'm with you on the "getting ready to go" thing...we've been through it...the boys are better about it now.  When they were younger, we had them sleep in their clothes, so we would have one less battle in the morning...now that they are older, they are pretty good about getting ready in the morning.  We get up early, so there is plenty of time to get ready.

 

We used to have to use a timer too.  We still set time limits on Scott for his assignments.  I check on him every 30 minutes to make sure that he is actually working.  If he is not, he has to come and work by me, for closer supervision.

 

Becky

 
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April 18, 2008, 11:53 am PDT

school issues

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I hear ya about the AARGGGHHHH.

 

I think you are wise to be mindful of Matthew -- I have it the other way. Anne (for the most part, anymore -- she gets into "modes" sometimes, LOL) is compliant, but Jack is 3 and requires a lot of my attention just because he's 3!

 

Let's hope this incremental reward system works!

 

Prof

We have the signed contract, and some homework actually came home yesterday!!  I picked Scott up from school because we have set up a weekly meeting between Scott and his advisor (each student has an advisor for the 4 years that they are in high school...the advisors are teachers...his advisor happens to be his Math teacher this year)...Because of the WASL, the kids are alternating days on their classes...half on one day, and half on the other...yesterday was Science, Math, and Social Studies...he tried to tell me that he had finished and turned in the Math assignment...I asked him if he had gotten a note from the teacher to verify this (note and signature in his planner)...NO, he hadn't...I suggested that we go back and get the signature, so he could have the points for that assignment, and have more computer time...well, when we got to the Math teacher, he said that he had NOT finished or turned it in...BUSTED!!!

 

Becky

 

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