Quote From: edstervSorry for the long post. In advance I am really just trying to illustrate a point as I see it. With that said....
I am a newb to this message board and it seems like the point is being missed.
LAMILO:
The poster (Lamilo) who was asking for advice, regarding the child having issues and homeschooling as an option. Lorraine ultimately gave up looking for advice.
I would like to give my humble opinion on this topic jic Lamilo ever returns or possibly someone in a similar situation could get some value from my opinion.
"My grandson is 9 and about to repeat the fourth grade because of his talking to those around him more than anything else. When the school year starts in September, he does tremendous, but long around 2 months later they lose him every year."
I am sure this could be many issues:The traditional school system does not give a child the flexibility to excel if they are capable of it in my opinion, maybe he is not being challenged in the current system.
Maybe the child does have a learning disability of some type as of yet diagnosed.
Maybe the child is extremely sensitive and does not have good coping mechanisms for peoples teasing. I have a nephew that actually encouraged kids to tease him based on his responsees to them. He eventually got through this.
Maybe the issue is the classmates, if the teasing happens every year by many of the same students has it ever been addressed with a teacher on counselors or the principal?
texas1968 makes a good point in that, although it is crummy, teasing is a part of being a kid. One must learn how to deal with it. Although we want to we cannot protect our children for the duration of their lives we must enable them to make appropriate decisons and cope with situations on their own.
If there is a history of teasing, things are unlikely to change if the issue is not addressed by the authorities, parents, teachers, school staff and administration so moving the child out of the situation may be best. I would suggest a different school private or public and certainly consider home schooling.
"He wears glasses and has to be called four eyes on a daily basis not to mention now they have added stupid to the lot. We are tired of it. When we asked him why he had chosen the person in the class to be his friend he told us that that person was the least mean out of the class."
That is very sad, although it remind me of an experience I had as a child, keep in mind this may not apply to your child's circumstances.
I was not popular in my 6th grade class and certainly unliked by some, I was the subject of regular ridule and teasing for a period of months. I was flunking almost every class! The effects of regular ridule on one's psyche are significant, self esteem suffers, deptression sets in and even what should be simple or relatively basic things become torcherous. In my case the teacher was clearly negligent and once the issue was addressed things were much better. I went from straight F's to Straight A's in a matter of weeks. I believe I am still living with some of the effects of the torment I received from both the students and the teacher.
I am providing my own experience as an illustration to make this point the constant downtrodding can be very damaging emotionally and effect performance significantly in school. Consider all options.
"Well we figure if he is not going to have friends anyway he should be out of that envoirenment and home and safe."
Personally I do not think this is the best reason to take the child out of school again he must learn to cope. Although I am not opposed to the change for this and other reasons.
"We got him a skateboard and will be taking him on saturdays to the skateboard park. Hopefully he can connect with some of the children there. He is also interested in martial arts things but none of the schools for that do weekend instruction and my husband can not drive after 5 during the winter, due to night blindness and we live in the country, not buses or cabs. They want to know he is going to come all year not just on days that it is light enough for us to get there and back. I bought him the Tommy Nitros karate for kids and he does that every day but that is only teaching him 3 basic blocks, 3 kicks and 3 strikes. He would really need a class to get what he needs from that but as I said they only have the classes at night."
These are great ideas although they do not address the core issues.
"But for the scholastics they are failing him as much as he is failing himself. The fact that he does tremendous the first 2 or 3 months every year, should be telling them that they are losing him somewhere every year, and they try to say it is his fault. I think he is bored but when we said that we were told we did not know what we were talking about."
This paragraph is very telling. I think you are making two very valid points:1. The child certainly has a part in the issue.2. The school system is clearly not addressing this issue. If you do not know what you are talking about what is the issue? Clearly they have not addressed it keeps happening. What do they think is happening? What suggestions do they have that are constructive.
"What we really need to know is do we need college degrees to do this, my daughter and I only graduated high school."
This seems like a good starting place to address the issue when looking at you state consider the Qualifications section carefully some sates require a degree some do not:http://www.hslda.org/laws/default.asp
" I will buy him any books he would need or anything else they said but we need to get him out of this bad envoirenment before we have a 16 year old dropout on our hands.
if anyone knows about the rules for the sw corner of va, specifically Pittsylvania county, I would appreciate it. Thank you.
Clearly texas1968 and jettav do not see eye to eye on multiple issues. Really seems kind of petty and counter productive to bring up posts unrelated to this board, although I do see texas1968 is trying to bring up a point of history of contention. I am sure you can both blame the other, but basically you are both at fault. It is bad when the he person asking for help was disgusted with the bickering.
Although I do believe some good advice was given by both of you.
jettav you seem to come on like a steam roller in your posts. Clearly you are very passionate about your ideals and sometimes you can appear to texas1968 as one sided and condescending in your posts. Although you may be one sided I really don't think you are meaning to be condescending. Maybe using some discretion on your posts, reread them prior to sending and use words that are less absolute like "it is my opinion", "I feel", "I believe". Ask yourself if how would I react to this comment.
texas1968 In your posts responding to Jettav you make statements like:
every single thing I ever type on these boards you always have something to say about it. ( yes it is a message board shouldn't it be discussed? Why can't she say something about your posts when she chooses? Does she really always have something to say, always?)
You tend to your business and I will tend to mine. ( Counter to open and free discussion)
I haven't replied to ANYTHING you have typed on these boards (what is this response if not a replY? It appears to me you have replied before)
Yet you ALWAYS take every single thing I say and analyze it to no end. (You mean like what I am doing ;-) sometimes it is a good thing to analyze although misinterpretation is always a danger)
don't knock the public school system simply because YOU had a bad experience. (Making an assumption about the other party with no factual information to support it that I could find anyway)
Millions of children are in public schools and doing very well. (good point)
Now for my own question:
Just out of curiosity what are the opinions about Montessori schools? For those of you that are not sure what I am talking about, check this out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montessori_school
For those looking for a Montessori school:http://www.montessoriconnections.com/schoolsdirectory.shtml
I am really not sure about this what is the general concensus either using the principals in a home school setting or a School setting. Thanks,
Ed
I agree with what you are saying but if my child is being bullied and not making friends and not happy in the system, yes, I would pull them out. If a child can't be comfortable in his setting then what good is it going to do, it will casue his educatin to go down hill, and I feel about this in every opton of schooling. A child can be taught to cope and all but shouldn't have to suffer in the process of it, they can learn to love and respect others, but in the mean time have the right to a good and fullfilling education expereince, yes, I would pull the child out ifhe is miserable........................thanks for posting.