Topic : Empty Nest Blues

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Created on : Tuesday, August 15, 2006, 11:19:51 am
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The last of the kids have all left home, how do you handle your feelings of letting go of growing kids? Share advice and support with others dealing with empty nest blues.


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June 12, 2007, 9:57 am PDT

They don't even call or speak

No matter what I do to fill my time in life and try to do good for others, I am in pain. Working through pain, but at night, the nightmares are horrible.  I dream of my boys and cry to them to please tlak to me.  They dont want to talk to me, they don't have a reason to give me, and seldom even tlak to each other.  I don't know. I am so upset, my dreams of grandchildren running around the house, and Holidays(awful), and weekends filled with emptiness. I just want to see my five grandchildren and my five sons again before I die. I am so lonely, even with a full life. I have not ever heard of anyone with all their kids not speaking. I am a good person, never beat my kids, always was there, at home, cooking cleaning and doing side jobs of the same to earn money cause I didn't get fortunate to divorce a rich man. Not either of my husbands cared to pay child support. The only reason the first one wanted the boys was to not pay. He was drug and alcoholic.  The second alcoholic left and never turned around. Never talked to the boys or sent them a card. I tried so hard to get him to be a part of his life with them. He went to Fla. from Ca. and moved in with an old girlfriend of mine,who is rich. He works for cash, travels with her and still owes almost 0200, 00 child support. Never see a dime, the DA has had this case for 16 years.  Oh well, my inheritance is spent on the kids and now I have been broke for several years, the last  two left and never turned around, when I ran out of money.  I am so devistated. I am in school now and have a wonderful man who works two jobs a day. He is so kind. I am not living the rich life, but I'm not on the street either, thank God.  I wish I knew someone to talk to that understood this heartache, maybe i am the first for this one!  Thanks for reading. Patti
 
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June 18, 2007, 8:53 am PDT

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 Such sadness when a child just stops suddenly calling ........ Ive always been very proud of my only son. He just turned 24, he is a heroe to my eyes, with great conviction my boy joined the air force and served for seven years just finishing to start university. It wasnt an easy ride all this time, we went thru the ugly teens , he was hard at the time but even then my love for him made me support him and i was tough but for his own good and I see now the results, he is resposable , independant and i dont worry much about he maturing and finding the right path eventually. But the day the phone stoped ringing , turned my world upsidedown. We have been always closed , kind of boy that calls home almost every day and chats with you about dreams and what not.

  Militar affects kids in many ways , and he went to war at 17 , he has seen uggly side of this world, and i think this probably affected him. he changed, he is rude and hard. But still i could see my son shine thru this person with tattoos and that drink a bit much during his vacation time and me being his mom poits out the "dont do this or that" and then our last visit he verbabllly attac me in the kitchen. I felt hurt and cried, i apologize to him for without meaning butting in his bussiness but i m looking after my kid, in a way he is still so young. But never the less he just got so mad at me and until today i just dont know why. I get so sad, this sadness that hurts inside. On mothers day this year he didnt call , or write or nothing, his militar life ended this month and I knew the day so i email him to say im proud and look foward to see him, and hope his life is going to be great now, no response. HIs birthday just pass and he didnt take my call or his sisters either. My girls took it well , i was a mess. What hurts me the most is my daughters are such good good girls, 16 and 13 and they told me mom, we do good in school , behave and love you so much and you look so sad. HOw do i stop this!!!!!!!! I love my kids the same, but this that my son is doing is hurting me. Im getting married next month i asked him to come to the wedding and he said what for., is a fucking wedding only , his reply, So this is not the child i raised.

   He met his biological family three years ago and that is when all changed, even though i know deep down he loves me and meant when he told me you are my only mom, its hard for me. He s close to his "new family" and i dont understand how a child can do that. To me he is and always will be my son, i wanted a kid so bad then, and the day my boy was born was one of the happiest days of my life. So for him to just disconect with us, is so hard to take and i feel awful my fiance is the most caring person, such good decent man and he is supportive and very patiente with me and my afliction but oh well is so complicated. I just needed to share with anyone how i feel and how much i m hurting and maybe get ideas how to deal with my situation.

   Im working in my green house and planted so many tomatoes i imagine each one is like a new child that ill seee grow and develope. Makes me feel at peace but then every night i think of my boy and every morning first thought is my boy and i need to get over this, anything remainds me of him and i just cry .
 
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June 18, 2007, 9:19 am PDT

I Can Feel Your Pain

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I really need some help, I have wrote to Dr.Phil for help several times but I guess its not important enough, --yes I am upset at all the drama in my life due to kids.

My 20 year old has moved on, and that was alot to deal ith as we are really close and her leaving home was hard for me and I was depressed for a long time, She always has been such a good daughter and I have always been proud of her and she continues to make me proud. She has a really good job, is putting herself through college and has bought a new car, and her and her fiance have just moved into there first apartment.

But the bad news is she just discovered she is pregnate and is very unhappy about it, and I am supporting the decision she makes, and when they moved into there apartment yesterday they discovered the place was filthy and filled with cockroaches,on a year lease.

poor kid!!!!!!!!!!!!

My 18 year old is struggling with life, she is a good kid, no drugs, booze.

But she thinks the world is out to get her, she is a senior and is not applying herself in school, she is going to fail a subject that keeps her from getting her diploma with her class. I have been so involved in school trying to help her but I guess you cant help those that dont want to be helped,she hates my husband, and he doesnt like her. They fight all the time putting me in the middle, which causes huge blow ups with my husband and I and we dont speak for days.

Last nite she tried to talk to me about dropping out of school and going to get her GED. WHAT?????????

a month left? that desnt fly with me. I made the MISTAKE of telling my husband, we got in a big fight and not talking again.I dont think that punishment is the answer, I think helping her get through school and working hard to have her graduate is the key.

I am at the point where I want a divorce, I want her to move out. But I have divorced once and I am not about to start over again at 45. WHY does life have to be so comlicated and why do people have to work so hard to have a good family life?

I am a strong woman who has been through alot in 20 years, and I should be able to handle this. But no matter what I do it blows up in my face. I just want to give up. I need Dr. Phil

Dear Mother,

Oh how well can I relate to you. I am a mother of three children, ages 23, 233, and 18 years of age. Firstly, my children has given me so much pain and grief that it has made me numb. My eldest child son was incarcerated at age 17. He is now serving a life sentence for being at the wrong place, at the wrong time. All my life, I have struggled to be a good mother for my children. I was a single parent for over 8 years, and trying to cope and deal with each child individually. It was extremely hard.

I would be at work and to recieve a phone call that my son was doing something in school, or not in school, or in trouble with the law. I had many nights where I would go to bed praying that God send some relief because I had grown so tired of trying to get my children to take the right direction in life.

Then my eldest daughter started causing me grief, she got pregnant at 16 years old with my granddaughter, and eventually I had to work three jobs just to provide for them all. Not only 4 months after having her 1st child, she became pregnant again with my grandson. By this time, I had finally met my current husband. After one year, we decided to get married.

My eldest daughter does not like my husband at all!! They constantly fight and argue with one another, keeping me right in the middle of their disagreements.

My daughter is so naive, and she does not understand what being an adult means.....Both children have different fathers, and neither father is instrumental in raising either one of the babies, so my husband has taken on the challenge of being both the male role model, and grandparent for them both.

Just recently, we found out that my daughter has been diagniosed with HIV. Now, what do I do?  I have always tried to instill in each one of my children the importance of being respectful to one's self, being your own bread-winner, and to take life seriously.. My eldest daughter feels as if I owe her my life, that because I am her mother, that I have a duty to raise her children, with a smile on my face. I have taking my granddaughter, she lives with us because my daughter finds the need to be around all of the wrong type of people, and I am considering taking my grandson as well, but then I asked myself just where and how will I find time for my husband, my career, and the things that is important to me at this time in my life. I've  paid my dues, and I raised each one of my children ALL BY MYSELF, with no family, or help, so now I feel as if I'll have to raise my grandchildren as well.

I love each one of my children, and the one child that has made me know that I wasn't a complete failure has been youngest daughter. She is the only one of my children that has went on to college, paying her own bills, and getting things in order for the future.

I am so tired, tired of being there for them, and getting nothing in return meaning that I don't see any progress being made.

I will not allow my children to destroy my marriage, and trust me, children can do just that. I thank my husband for taking on the tasks that he has, and he tells me all of the time that you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make them drink it.

I have done all that I can do to show my children that yes, I have your best interest at heart, and nothing has made a difference.

I feel so bad for my grandchildren because in essence, they have a child as a mother. She doesn't have that maternal instinct, and I am afraid that she'll never gain it.

So Reader, trust me I can really understand where you are coming from. I don't want to throw my hands up with them and say:'I'm done'.  but I've got to cut the umbilical cord at some point.

I am 42 years old, and I still feel like I am responsible for raising my grandchildren now. I am still waiting to exhale.

 

Respecfully,

LaShawnna A. Burney 

 

 
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June 18, 2007, 11:25 am PDT

letting go

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Well, first of all I think a parent must realise the child/young adult is now on a stage of leaving the safe house and go for a place for themselves. It isn't easy to let your children go, but if you are sure you educated them well, it wil be fine (at least in the most occasions) I do see a lot of parents (here in the netherlands) whom are letting their children free on a young age.... 13, 14, 15 that's irresponsible. Just make sure you did whatever you can to make your young adult independant and can stand up for them selves

 

Well that was it for now, hehe

 

Grtz,

 

Wolfje

 I actually feel very proud that my son is independant, responsable like i said before i have lots to feel good about my boy and the only thing is you never expect that when u have a relationship that is good in every way with your child , without an explanation he just breaks all contact with you. I think you are a young girl Wolfie and that is why you see it from the perspective of a young adult. I was young once lol, i still feel very young and I am very active , but when you have a kid then is different, i left my mom , all my family in Costa Rica and came to live in usa then all over the place in erurope but i always made sure to keep contact with my mom, not only on mothers day like many people do, every day we should tell our love ones we love them, every time i spend time with friends or famly i wish them well and try to be pleasant and enjoy their company. I dont want to have to wait in my dead bed to see if my son will show up and tell me again, miss you mom or love you mom. Is not hard when the kids leave the home, true enough is an empty space, but my goal i reached with him, he has the tools and good morals and values to do good in life, all i wished was to have our relationship like it was before, a call here and there and talk about whatever, for a mom like me, just to hear his voice is a big help, yeah i do call his number and just listen to his voice. That is all I have at the moment and I just hope once he matures and has his first kid will realize how much i love him and how sometimes we parents might do the wrong thing with the best intentions in the heart, If there was a school to be the best mom i can be , ill be the first one ti sign in but we moms are humans too and make mistakes. I make sure if i offend my kids or anything i do wrong i m humble to say I m sorry , and listen to them. But again, one never knows what life will bring along the way.............
  I read here so many stories that make me realize I m not the only one suffering, i do go thru pain inside, so deep, so strong, but take one day at the time and my memories, with my son and seeing him grow up into the man he is today that noone will ever take away from me.

   Though to kids that might read this, yes we all leave the nest, and yes it is hard for moms specially, but one gets used to it, and is actually nice to have time to yourself. But never hurt your parents, one never knows if that was the last day you see them and at least in my heart I know if i loose my mom im absolutly sure probably last thing i ve said to her is thanks mom for being a pain in the past and shaping me into the mom i am today, and I love you old lady! So no mean no worries!!!!

  In any case i recomend to all to plant something, i plant tomatoes, they are like i said my new pass time kind of activity and it does help, they are grateful, little water and they look so nice! tall growing strong, each one is like a new life that you keep going until you see the fruits and enjoy, pure content and enjoiment!

Thanks Wolfie though! for your coment, believe me nothing i want for my kids but to see them find their path in life and have a good one!
 
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August 7, 2007, 2:00 pm PDT

I understand completely

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They need to have a forum on here about parents being happy their kids are leaving home.  Since we fight constantly and my daughter is a mean person, I personally can't wait til she leaves home.  I am awful, but it's how I feel.
I understand completely what you are saying. I have a son (my only son) that is 22 years old and we have never really be able to get along. He is so mean and selfish I simply don't understand where he gets it from he has an older sister 24 and a younger sister 20 and he fights with them just not as much as he fights with me, don't get me wrong I do understand that parents and children will and do have misunderstanding but my son is so disrespectful I simply can not wait for the day he leaves my house. He works everyday but say that he can not afford to move out which I know is a lie because he does not help with anything at all in the house. I have threaten to have him evicted, which I still don't understand seeing that this is my house and I should just be able to put him out and be done with it but the police officer that I spoke with said that I couldn't do it that way I would have to take time off of work and pay to file papers to have him put out of my house. I have a 4 yr old grandson that also stays with me and I don't want him around my son..Because I don't care what I have to do my grandson will not end up like my son. My daughters and my son were raised together in the same household and my daughters are not like that at all.  Maybe at times I wasn't the best Mom I could have been, but I did everything I could to make my children's childhood a good one, seeing that their father was never in the picture.  Of course it wasn't easy,,but  we made it together as a family but my son has never appreciated anything that I ever done, I actually thinks he resents me for leaving his father when he was 3 years. But if he only knew that was the best thing I could have done for myself as well as for them 
 
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August 8, 2007, 2:50 pm PDT

What a sad story

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I understand completely what you are saying. I have a son (my only son) that is 22 years old and we have never really be able to get along. He is so mean and selfish I simply don't understand where he gets it from he has an older sister 24 and a younger sister 20 and he fights with them just not as much as he fights with me, don't get me wrong I do understand that parents and children will and do have misunderstanding but my son is so disrespectful I simply can not wait for the day he leaves my house. He works everyday but say that he can not afford to move out which I know is a lie because he does not help with anything at all in the house. I have threaten to have him evicted, which I still don't understand seeing that this is my house and I should just be able to put him out and be done with it but the police officer that I spoke with said that I couldn't do it that way I would have to take time off of work and pay to file papers to have him put out of my house. I have a 4 yr old grandson that also stays with me and I don't want him around my son..Because I don't care what I have to do my grandson will not end up like my son. My daughters and my son were raised together in the same household and my daughters are not like that at all.  Maybe at times I wasn't the best Mom I could have been, but I did everything I could to make my children's childhood a good one, seeing that their father was never in the picture.  Of course it wasn't easy,,but  we made it together as a family but my son has never appreciated anything that I ever done, I actually thinks he resents me for leaving his father when he was 3 years. But if he only knew that was the best thing I could have done for myself as well as for them 
 When you say your son doesn't help with anything in the house do you mean he doesn't pay any rent? If that is so and he doesn't help in the home and causes conflict then he needs to start growing up very quickly. You will know that you are (here comes that over used word) enabling him and difficult as it is going to be you are going to have to make some tough decisions that help YOU get what YOU want. You have to decide, do I want him out of my home and possibly out of my life, because he is now a grown man and has to start acting like it. If you do want that then you tell him 3 months and you must find somewhere else to live, you aren't happy here and you need to find somewhere that you are happy.  Keep reminiding him, 2 months to go, 2 weeks to go, etc and make sure he is packing his stuff and getting another place to live.
If that isn't what you want then you have to decide what it is you want as there will be arguments and unpleasantness but if you have a goal then stick to it. You aren't helping him grow up, if you let him continue to act like a moody tenager. A mother always feels guity no matter what she does for her children so try not to let that emotion cloud your decision making.
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August 29, 2007, 11:01 am PDT

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My first four children were raised by me, in a little logging camp: along with their womanizer/ predator father.   They haven't forgiven me for leaving him.  The second man in my life had no children, so we prepared and planned for a child, one who would be part of the "best" of my life.  He became bipolar, and left when she was 3 years old.  Her older siblings raised her.  I worked at every job I could find, to support her.  I also had some disastrous relationships, men and drinking problems, along with cancer scares, and bad health.   I have a wonderful man in my life now, ( in our 60's) who makes me very happy, and even though he hasn't a clue as to how to relate to children, he has tried.  She has turned all the children against us, citing our 'oldfashioned' rules,  lack of  attention to bad behaviour by the grandchildren,  and practically caused a split over these problems.  Now she has gotten violent.  She attacked my partner, punched him in the face, broke his glasses and gave him a black eye.  He instinctly raised his hand and slapped her back.  She was holding her 5 month old baby at the time, and yelling her head off, and nearly let the baby drop from her left arm onto the campfire and woodpile.  I reached down to grab him, to protect him, and she kicked me on the left side of my head and chest and screamed...."don't touch my baby!"  I ended up on the ground, another man came between she and my partner, and someone else took the baby.  The police were called, and she became the victim.  We have been accused of causing the fight,  being drunk and disorderly,  and sending her to the hospital with a 'cracked' jaw.  My other children believe her diatribe, and feel that I haven't ever stopped "causing fights and drunken brawls in the family"  Now I am being kept from my other grandchildren because I will be "intorducing this next generation" into the world of booze, and out-of-control behaviour.

Episodes from 20 years ago are drawn upon again and again,  to put me down, and not allow any forgiveness for having

 a.  left the father they loved,  and

b.  taking up with these 'no-mind' men who don'f fit into their lives.   I am 64 years old, and would like to know when it will stop.  When can I just sit back and enjoy life as most people do when they are retired? 

 My youngest daughter is a tall, beautiful kickboxer--she teaches at a fitness centre.  The rest are all capable, well-mannered, civic minded individuals who have done well for themselves.  Did't I ever have some part in seeing to it that they were brought up with some kind of care and love?  It seems not. 

 
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September 4, 2007, 2:15 am PDT

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I'm going to try and make this as short as possible.  I am 18 and my boyfriend of eight months is 20. I have been out of my mother's house since I was seventeen. My boyfriend on the other hand still lives at home. His dad is a vet and his mom breeds horses out on their farm. At one time it was said that my bf was to be a vet, take over the business...etc. He never wanted to be a vet so never went to college for it. I would assume they would get the picture that he wasn't going to be at home forever but, apparently I missed something! The problem is not with his father really because he is really supportive of him and our relationship. The problem lies in his mother...I forgot to mention he is an only child...My bf and I always knew of each other from horse shows and things but, I never knew that he liked me or I would end up being with him. It all began when I was asked to come and work at the farm with him helping with the young horses. We began dating very soon after I went out there. His mom didn't seem to have a problem with me. She never said anything to my bf or acted as if it bothered her. He comes to see me everyday when he gets done working for his dad as a vet assistent (hint, hint). When he is at work his mother orders him around almost in a slave manner and cusses and is just very rude in anything she says to him. When he asks her why she is being so mean her reply is "because you're dating HER."

 I never thought anything of it but his mom would call every single time we would be together. Sometimes even up to 3 to 4 times, about nothing! Pointless questions and telling him things he would need to get done the next day and it just really started annoying me! So I spoke up, I told my bf that it bothered me and asked why she does it and he kind of said okay and tried to ignore what was going on. He tried ignoring  calls but she would literally call back until he answered!! So turns out she HATES me. What can you do? She says I'm a "sissy girl" that I "distract him" that she liked his ex (who was a cheater) much better than me. Now she doesn't say these things to me but she says them to her son everyday that she hates me. I am very supportive of everything that my b/f has planned for his and our future because we are very serious in our relationship. I treat him with love and respect and loyalty everyday. I don't understand what she has against me? I'm very responsible I have a good job and I'm mature. What is she seeing?

So he is out of state right now for a two week long college course and she says I qoute, "How come you have to go all the way to OK when you could go to that school for the same course that is closer to home?" It makes me sick. It's like she will never see him again or something. Why doesn't she be happy for him being successful and  hard working, with a supportive and just as hard working partner? She tries to hold him back for so he will do what SHE has planned and what SHE  wants. So my question is for any mothers with one child and it being a boy what is going on? Why does she hate me and why is she being hateful toward he son? Isn't she doing the complete opposite? Pls don't take any offense I just want to get her point of view and I'm not ready to face her myself.

Thank You

 
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September 4, 2007, 8:53 pm PDT

empty nest early????

  I am 36 years old and my children are 17 and 12.  This is probably going to sound silly but, I feel that I am going through the empty nest early.  They come and go all the time. I realize that they still need me but, like my oldest has a job, school, friends, and really not much time for good old mom.  My youngest of course is home alot more but, due to divorce goes to his dads house on weekends or everyother one and then we have sports, friends, girls, school, and there again at this age who wants to hang with mom.  It also doesn't help when my current husband works two jobs and wants to work due to he is from mexico and feels he needs to work all the time so when we get older we don't have to want for much.  I just feel really down and empty like everyone is growing so fast and I'm not sure if I'm ready.  Anyone have any suggestions?  Thanks

 
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September 14, 2007, 12:23 am PDT

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i was a single mom for 12 years and gladly devoted myself to my kids. now that thewy are grown they seem o have forgotten me and instead constantly are with their dad- the mand who beat me and cheated on me and who we literally ran for our lives from. he never helped raise them financially or in any other way... it is killing me each day that my kids act as if i don't exist. i understand all kids grow up and leave home but i never thought in a million years my kids would totally reject me. i am now 51 single still moved to care for my aging and dying parents which in turn left me without a job a home or a future. i was in a terrible accident 2 months ago and now am unemployed and maybe soon to be homeless...my youngest son was hit by a car when he was 6 and by the grace of God survived and started to recieve a large settlement in may of this year...i really need some help now but he has turned his back on me..we cannot even talk and i rarely see him..he chooses to be with his father who lets him do whatever he wants--since may he has blown over 30 thousand dollars which his dad says is his choice and he can do whatever he wants... i feel like i wasted my life raising kids who rejected me in the end when i am as low as i have ever been.. i don't know what direction to go in and have little hope of having a life again...this deep sadness in my soul doesn't get weaker it grows each day...i just don't know what to do anymore and i have never felt so alone rejected and hopeless
 

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