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September 29, 2008, 9:30 am PDT

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Wow, it sounds like youve really been through a lot with this woman! You are right; the biggest concern is that she would allow a 15 year old make such a huge decision for her. Perhaps she is allowing him to do this because the reality is that she wants to go back where she came from? (I hope that isnt the case, just a suggestion; something to consider.) Have you discussed this concern with her? Explain to her that she is the mother; that you will do anything and everything to support her decision to stay; and remind her that SHE is the parent- her son cant simply decide where he wants to live and then do what he wants.
It sounds like the son is just playing one parent against the other. This is so typical of teens; they know exactly what buttons to push! Especially if this young man has been raised believing that he can tell his mother what to do; then hes going to do exactly that. I wish you the best; but if she goes this time; do not allow her back into your life.

Thanks Jaimie for your comment.

 

Part of the problem is that since she divorced their father she has felt a need to over-indulge her 2 children in an effort to compensate for their loss.  This leaves them thinking that she will and does do anything in her power to pacify them.

 

I have discussed this with her many times, including research from phychiatrists and psychologist, who all say that moving is a big deal for teenagers.  However, when handled properly it is something that can be easily overcome.  i have attempted to get him involved in the community, church, school activities, etc...  I do feel that she may be looking for a reason to go back home, and if she does there isn't much I can do.

 

She doesn't work, she has a long history of migraines and other issues that prevent of from working.  So she feels that I should give up a 17 year career in Law Enforcement to move with her.  I have a child from a previous marriage, I am a very active part of her life and have only 8 years until retirement.  I am not going to walk away at this point.

 

I think a part of her is thinking she can manipulate me.  If she does move home this time, I have no choice but to sever all ties.  I have discussed this with her and made it abundantly clear.

 

Other than what I have mentioned, I don't know what else to do.

 
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October 2, 2008, 10:16 am PDT

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My 14 year old daughter is a slob. She leaves her clothes all over her bedroom floor and almost never hangs them up or puts them in her drawers. She had 2 girlfriends over night and they were all walking on top of her clothes! They had to-there was no floor showing. She also has shoes, books, papers, posters, markers, make up, trash, etc. all over her bedroom floor and nothing organized. I told her I will not be buying her any more clothes,shoes, etc. if I don't see her taking care of what she has. She says ok and continues to be the same. Then one day before she knows I might be going shopping she picks it up and wants me to take her shopping for clothes. If you saw pictures of her room you would not believe it. I have read many books on teens saying to ignore their messy bedrooms. I am wondering what others think of that, and would like to hear from others what has worked for them to get their teen to keep an organized bedroom!
I have a 16yr old daughter and going through the same thing. Her room looks like a hurricane blew through it with all kinds of little pieces of "things" all over the floor. He laundry hamper is over flowing with clothes and I don't know how she sleeps in her bed with all the stuff on it. She will get annoyed at me nagging her to clean her room after a while and spend several hours cleaning it, it looks spotless. And the next day it starts all over again. I don't know how she can spend so much time cleaning just to make it dirty again.
 
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October 4, 2008, 11:12 am PDT

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My 14 year old daughter is a slob. She leaves her clothes all over her bedroom floor and almost never hangs them up or puts them in her drawers. She had 2 girlfriends over night and they were all walking on top of her clothes! They had to-there was no floor showing. She also has shoes, books, papers, posters, markers, make up, trash, etc. all over her bedroom floor and nothing organized. I told her I will not be buying her any more clothes,shoes, etc. if I don't see her taking care of what she has. She says ok and continues to be the same. Then one day before she knows I might be going shopping she picks it up and wants me to take her shopping for clothes. If you saw pictures of her room you would not believe it. I have read many books on teens saying to ignore their messy bedrooms. I am wondering what others think of that, and would like to hear from others what has worked for them to get their teen to keep an organized bedroom!

The first thing i would do is take a garbage bag and start removing most of the items from her room.

I would leave her about three changes for school and one for the week end.

Shoes, i would leave her sneakers, and one pair of dress shoes.

All those posters on the floor would be boxed up, as well as any thing else that was not essential to her that was on the floor. Everything, that was not being used and was strewn on the floor.

All school books and papers would be boxed up, were she could get at them if she really needed them.

After I had done this, i would firmly tell her keep it clean, or not, but know this if you can not show enough responsability to keep it decent, then there will be nothing added to your room, like new clothes, make up, posters, ect simply because you can not handle the reponsabilty of managing items is a mature and responsible way.

If after a week she is showing that she is making a sincere attempt at keeping her room decent, let her go through her clothes and pick on more outfit, to add to her closet, keep doing that till she has earned her clothes, make up, posters, what ever back. If she starts slacking take an out fit away, poster's away, make up away, ect. Do not buy her anything new untill she really gets that you mean buisness. I mean really gets it that you had enough and are through playing games. When you feel she really has started to get it and is sincer about making a concious effort to do better reward her, take her out to a movie, or let her have a sleep over ect. Honestly if my house was in such a mess i would not want people over, so she should nto be having people over into her space (bedroom) untill she got it under control.

Be aware she will probably react like any typical teen, temper tantrum, crying, begging, promising, ect, don't buy that for a second lol. Do not give in, she is fourteen she really needs to learn consequences for action, respect for her property and yours, and self pride in doing a job well for herself.

This is a learning process, so it is not going to happen over night, it is a lot faster to learn a bad habit than it is to undo one, so patience and persaverance is key.

Ignoring a problem does not work, it simply reinforces for your daughter, that it if you do not mind it does not matter, and believe me it really does matter. There is a lot of teaching opportunities that are missed when something is ignored, and she is going to need all the tools you can give her to make a wonderful life for herself when she reaches adulthood.

Good luck! Let us know what you decided to do, and how it is working for ya, or if you just need some support.

Tammy

 

 

 
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October 27, 2008, 9:06 pm PDT

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This is a long story, please stay with me...

We have 3 children, the two eldest are boys (20 & 21) and a daughter whom is about to turn 19. Our daughter is disabled due to an accident when she was only 2 and in a special education class, she's a cheer to be around...most of the time (like any teen eh?). She has a young friend I'll call 'Anne' who is also in her class, she has a 16 yr old body and the mind of an 8 year old. Our daughter and Anne get along very well and we have been having her over this summer for company as we live in the country, we have been doing all of the 'girl summer' stuff..painting nails, sun, sand, water, magazines...shopping, they are having a great summer as it should be.

The young girl has been raised by her father whom works to support herself and 3 older siblings in the house, as the mother left when Anne was only 18 months old. Her grandmother had much of an influence until she passed on 2 years ago, but since then I don't believe there has been any other womanly input.

Anne comes to visit with a ripped shopping bag full of clothes which are 2 sizes too small, no underwear nor bras...I'm sure you get it. We aren't wealthy but I have taking the girls out for some shopping and I have managed to pick up some cotton panties and the like, I stuck them in the bottom of a bag I made her for travelling. This has been happening since the end of school and gradually I have been able to weed some Tshirts and shorts for her from our daughter's stock...no biggie.

This week Anne didn't feel well so I took her home early (I called first), she had too much to carry herself so I was allowed entry into the small family home for the first time. I'm not quite sure how to say this without sounding like I'm judging the dad because I know he works hard but the place was...looking for a word here...terrible. They have 2 small dogs that seem to not go outside and have left all of their business on the kichen floor...everywhere. I had to wade and find the kitchen sink just to wet a cloth for her forehead, there is garbage and bags and towels and empty beer bottles and old newspaper and old food...you get the drift. I didn't give any response at all and just kept on as I didn't want Anne to feel as I had noticed.

Now the dilema...should I just go in and have Anne help me clean up? Keep my nose in my own business? Offer to help? We like having Anne here and it seems she loves being here and her father doesn't seem to have any problems with it either, I'm just not sure IF I should go anywhere with it at all. There are 2 older siblings at Anne's home that are female 20 and male 22, and from what I can tell her sister watches Jerry Springer and soaps all day and the brother stays up in his room playing video games and listening to Marilyn Manson (I can hear it from outside when I pull up).

My husband says I am always out to save the world...I think we can only do what we can, if we can.

 

Any thoughts anyone? Thanks in advance :)

The difficult thing here is that there are two other adults living in the home therefore I would NOT come in and clean it for them.  I may approach the 20 year old female and discuss it with her - she may accept your help.  I think it is a tricky situation that I would ask once about and if the offer is turned down then I would leave it alone.  You are showing her by having her into your own home that it is not necessarily the ideal way to live.  On the other hand if you feel it is a health hazard you could let some time pass so that they would not suspect that you were the culprit and contact human services to come for a visit since there is a minor child in the home with mental issues.  Human services would probably hold the other three adults in the family responsible for keeping it orderly and clean to some extent - then the monkey would be off of your back.  It sounds to me like the living conditions could pose a health hazard.  If there are two adult children living in the house lying around all day and not working and contributing to the household to help take some of the burden off of the father then there are some other serious issues as well.

 
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October 27, 2008, 9:22 pm PDT

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The first thing i would do is take a garbage bag and start removing most of the items from her room.

I would leave her about three changes for school and one for the week end.

Shoes, i would leave her sneakers, and one pair of dress shoes.

All those posters on the floor would be boxed up, as well as any thing else that was not essential to her that was on the floor. Everything, that was not being used and was strewn on the floor.

All school books and papers would be boxed up, were she could get at them if she really needed them.

After I had done this, i would firmly tell her keep it clean, or not, but know this if you can not show enough responsability to keep it decent, then there will be nothing added to your room, like new clothes, make up, posters, ect simply because you can not handle the reponsabilty of managing items is a mature and responsible way.

If after a week she is showing that she is making a sincere attempt at keeping her room decent, let her go through her clothes and pick on more outfit, to add to her closet, keep doing that till she has earned her clothes, make up, posters, what ever back. If she starts slacking take an out fit away, poster's away, make up away, ect. Do not buy her anything new untill she really gets that you mean buisness. I mean really gets it that you had enough and are through playing games. When you feel she really has started to get it and is sincer about making a concious effort to do better reward her, take her out to a movie, or let her have a sleep over ect. Honestly if my house was in such a mess i would not want people over, so she should nto be having people over into her space (bedroom) untill she got it under control.

Be aware she will probably react like any typical teen, temper tantrum, crying, begging, promising, ect, don't buy that for a second lol. Do not give in, she is fourteen she really needs to learn consequences for action, respect for her property and yours, and self pride in doing a job well for herself.

This is a learning process, so it is not going to happen over night, it is a lot faster to learn a bad habit than it is to undo one, so patience and persaverance is key.

Ignoring a problem does not work, it simply reinforces for your daughter, that it if you do not mind it does not matter, and believe me it really does matter. There is a lot of teaching opportunities that are missed when something is ignored, and she is going to need all the tools you can give her to make a wonderful life for herself when she reaches adulthood.

Good luck! Let us know what you decided to do, and how it is working for ya, or if you just need some support.

Tammy

 

 

I couldn't have said it better myself - I have a 14 year old daughter and she would never dream of not cleaning her room when I ask her.  She is responsible for making her bed BEFORE she leaves the house in the morning.  Evening time she must hang clothes up, reorganize, etc.  It takes all of 10 to 15 minutes because she is not allowed to let it get out of hand.  Take control now or the fact that she knows that you tell her to do something and she got away without doing it will lead to disrespect in other aspects of your relationship.  I don't agree that teens should be allowed to have a messy room.  When they have their own house they can have it as messy as they like.  She is not showing you any repect for the home you provide for her and the things that you buy her. I would take her into her bedroom and tell her you are going to help her get her room up to par.  while you are helping her I would show her how you expect things to be kept within reason.  My daughter likes me to come in and help her sometimes because I organize things a little better but i have noticed that she has learned from it and is getting pretty good at it herself.  Help her once and let her know she is on her own after that with consequences.  She may be overwhelmed at the mess. A few times a year i take trash bags in her room and we go through all drawers and closets and get rid of anything she does not wear or that she has outgrown and things that are wore out as well as other junk she has gathered - then we take it to the thrift store so she can pick out other things that she wants. Getting rid of clutter is key and having plenty of storage to keep things out of sight helps. Don't give in girl - this is when it counts - don't back down.
 
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October 27, 2008, 9:46 pm PDT

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Well his dressing i just a way of expressing himself. He just wears what is normal within the group of friends he has. There is no going right or wrong here by you, you cant influence his clothing too much during his puberty. He dresses this way so that he can become an adult having his own opinion and style, it is important that you let him. After a while he will dress differently it's just a fase remember that. Most important thing for you to remember is that clothing doesn't change his personality, a good kid is a good kid no matter how he dresses.

 

I have two sons - 21 and 17 and a daughter 14.  The boys were both skaters and their dress was not the best but they were good boys like yours.  I have always encouraged individuality among my kids as I am a lesbian mother.  Find something you really like about him and tell him how much you like it.  I didn't really like my sons hair hanging down into his eyes because he had these gorgeous eyes but i found that if I let him know that i didn't like it the longer he would grow it.  I started telling him that it was growing on me and that i kind of liked it now.  Next thing i knew he had a buzz cut.  I acted so disappointed but i would tell him that i loved seeing his beautiful eyes again.  Please stand behind your sons choices and let him know that you accept him the way he is and reinforce the good things about him like his grades.  The less reaction that you give to things such as dress and hair the better.  It will change before you know it.  Focus on the qualities that you love about him and let him know it - Sometimes you just gotta laugh and go on. You are spending too much time worrying about where you went wrong but it sound to me like you have done some things right.
 
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November 2, 2008, 1:03 am PDT

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i do everything for attention
EVERYTHING
i've cut myself,  run away, and had an eating disorder(currently recovering)
I can't think of any other way to get my mothers attention.
I don't think she loves me anymore.
and please don't tell me that's crazy your mother loves you.
well i know she loves me but i have practically raised myself for 4 years now. I feel like my own mother. HSe works two jobs and i do blame her for not being around. i know i shouldn't and i feel terribly guilty for it but it is her own fault she could have gone to college, in fact she went for about 3 months and then dropped out. she has to work two djobs because of the mistakes she made an di don;t think i should have to or had to suffer for her mistakes. I feel guilty about not loving her and blamign her for everything. She has caused so much hurt and pain that i don't think i'm goign to live longer than 30 years of age. I have depression and anxiety attacks. I have seperation issues, and i'm still grieving over my grandpa's death from over thre months ago. I don't like her boyfriend and i feel like she constantly wants to be with him instead of me. She is acting like i'm away at college when i'm still a junior in high school. i'm cry out for attention and I need a real mother. tell me is it too late for hope? should i just give up? i keep telling ymself i'm not going to be hurt by her, but time and again i keep letting these things affect me. I'm already in therapry but that has only helped me deal with why i'm bulemic, and we have yet to start talking about my mother. I don't know about me any more. I have lost my self identity. I only feel confident around my friends at school, and i feel like i'm on the verge of a breakdown. I don't know whtat to do anymore! THIS IS MY DESPERATE PLEA FOR HELP!



is it too late for hope?
 
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November 3, 2008, 11:30 am PST

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i do everything for attention
EVERYTHING
i've cut myself,  run away, and had an eating disorder(currently recovering)
I can't think of any other way to get my mothers attention.
I don't think she loves me anymore.
and please don't tell me that's crazy your mother loves you.
well i know she loves me but i have practically raised myself for 4 years now. I feel like my own mother. HSe works two jobs and i do blame her for not being around. i know i shouldn't and i feel terribly guilty for it but it is her own fault she could have gone to college, in fact she went for about 3 months and then dropped out. she has to work two djobs because of the mistakes she made an di don;t think i should have to or had to suffer for her mistakes. I feel guilty about not loving her and blamign her for everything. She has caused so much hurt and pain that i don't think i'm goign to live longer than 30 years of age. I have depression and anxiety attacks. I have seperation issues, and i'm still grieving over my grandpa's death from over thre months ago. I don't like her boyfriend and i feel like she constantly wants to be with him instead of me. She is acting like i'm away at college when i'm still a junior in high school. i'm cry out for attention and I need a real mother. tell me is it too late for hope? should i just give up? i keep telling ymself i'm not going to be hurt by her, but time and again i keep letting these things affect me. I'm already in therapry but that has only helped me deal with why i'm bulemic, and we have yet to start talking about my mother. I don't know about me any more. I have lost my self identity. I only feel confident around my friends at school, and i feel like i'm on the verge of a breakdown. I don't know whtat to do anymore! THIS IS MY DESPERATE PLEA FOR HELP!



is it too late for hope?

It is NEVER too late for hope! Please believe me, you are in a deep valley but don´t give up you can climb out and get out on top. I do not say that it will be easy, but it is do able.

You are just starting your therapy and you might want to speak about your mother and your relationship, but first you need to get a stable baseline, stopping your selfdestructive behaviour (something I guess you want to right?), after that you can start focussing on other problems with your therapist. So it will come but you will have to be patient for just a little while longer.

What I do want to say to you is that you feel the way you feel and that those feelings are legitemate (you feel them so they are real) do not suppress them or out them with cutting or what you do to out them. Maybe try writing a letter about your negative feelings and tearing it up and burning it afterwards so no one else can read it but also to part with those feelings allowing yourself to let them go.

Also try to write a small note just one sentence. This sentence should be about a positive feeling, thought or place. A safe place to which you can return when you feel really down. If you don't feel you have such a place now try going back in time to a time when you did or forward to a time in which you will. Wear this note close to your heart so you can always look at it but even if you don't you know it's closeby.

Last thing I want to say is that you are not alone, there are others which have had the same things you have, they found a way to become better, please let that inspire you to hold on. You can battle this really, I know you are strong enough and you allready took steps in the right direction. I believe you can do it!

 

you can always speak here if you need to I and others will read them with care,

Take care,

Oet Gäöl

 
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i do everything for attention
EVERYTHING
i've cut myself,  run away, and had an eating disorder(currently recovering)
I can't think of any other way to get my mothers attention.
I don't think she loves me anymore.
and please don't tell me that's crazy your mother loves you.
well i know she loves me but i have practically raised myself for 4 years now. I feel like my own mother. HSe works two jobs and i do blame her for not being around. i know i shouldn't and i feel terribly guilty for it but it is her own fault she could have gone to college, in fact she went for about 3 months and then dropped out. she has to work two djobs because of the mistakes she made an di don;t think i should have to or had to suffer for her mistakes. I feel guilty about not loving her and blamign her for everything. She has caused so much hurt and pain that i don't think i'm goign to live longer than 30 years of age. I have depression and anxiety attacks. I have seperation issues, and i'm still grieving over my grandpa's death from over thre months ago. I don't like her boyfriend and i feel like she constantly wants to be with him instead of me. She is acting like i'm away at college when i'm still a junior in high school. i'm cry out for attention and I need a real mother. tell me is it too late for hope? should i just give up? i keep telling ymself i'm not going to be hurt by her, but time and again i keep letting these things affect me. I'm already in therapry but that has only helped me deal with why i'm bulemic, and we have yet to start talking about my mother. I don't know about me any more. I have lost my self identity. I only feel confident around my friends at school, and i feel like i'm on the verge of a breakdown. I don't know whtat to do anymore! THIS IS MY DESPERATE PLEA FOR HELP!



is it too late for hope?
It is really sad that your mother is so focused on herself and her own life that she doesn't put appropriate focus on raising you, dealing with your issues, and spending quality time with you. You are only 14 and you still need your mom; however, you know that she isn't going to be there - so you have to make a decision. Are you going to continue destroying yourself in an attempt to get her attention? Or are you going to learn from your mother's mistakes and instead of creating an unhealthy life for yourself, create a more positive, healthy life? Sure, you could keep doing what you are doing, but you already know that it isn't going to get you the results that you want. You seem like a very intelligent young woman, it is time to be good to yourself. Instead of spending your time and energy focusing on negative things, find the positives in your life. Create positive events and changes for yourself; you deserve to do that for YOU. You are the only person who can make you happy, so don't wait another day, start now! I wish you the best!
 
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My 19 year old has been in and out of jail for some petty things mostly causing mischief.  He did not finish school and has been in and out of both his parents home.  In his mom's home he has caused alot of damage due to his temper and carelessnes, holes in the walls and broken furniture to name some and also has stolen her vehicle and money.  He has been given many chances and always after the fact he is full of regrets and apologies.  His father and him do not communicate as well as they could, mostly due to his dad being angy at his whole way of life and the teen well he would rather not communicate because of his dad's controling ways unless he has too.  Now this teen is living in a new apartment in another town a half hour drive away from his old one and is hoping for a fresh start, living with his girlfriend, no job, on social assistance and a court date ahead along with many rules set by police.  Is this teen destined to fail in this situation?  Or could this be his turning point?  His mom and dad are only a phone call away and are willing to help, especially his mom, the softie of the two.
 
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