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May 13, 2007, 3:24 pm PDT

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I will try to keep this as brief as possible but I am having real issues here and I don't know what to do anymore!  I am 37 divorced I have 3 kids 16, 13 (both girls)..then there's the boy 11 yrs old.  He has issues in school won't do this or that seems I get a call from the school with complaints about him every other day not doing homework not participating in class, disruptive etc etc. Well 2 yrs ago they told me he shows signs of depression.  ** A little background here, his dad is bipolar and so is my son's 1/2 brother from his dad's previous marriage**  We did not dismiss it but we did not see what they were describing at school at home.  He does have anger issues I won't deny that.  His dad and I split up when he was barely a year old. His dad wasn't much in his life until he turned around 9 he became more active in his life since he finally got straightened up on his meds and quit the "extra curricular" drugs!  Anyways, past couple of years he's had soiled underwear in the past but not too often and not that bad..typical boy stuff I would assume.  Then it has steadily got worse.  At first he would complain he was constipated and wouldn't have a bowel movement for several days he would then would complain it hurt to go to the bathroom. I tried laxatives and suppositories then complained his stomach hurt when he took them then had diahrhea (sp?). 

Back in October I got a call from the school that it was an emergency. My son had wrote a note that he would die soon and the school took it as a suicide note I ended up having to take him to a county psych hospital at the demand of the school in which they admitted him and kept him for a week diagnosed him as depressed stuck him on zoloft and a couple of anger management of classes.  Now we go once a month through the MHMR since I don't have insurance to keep him on the pills.  Anyways the soiled underwear is worse and it's just gross!  It's like he just poops in his pants and doesn't think anything about it.  Everytime we do something that require physical activity he's running back and forth to the bathroom. At first I thought it was his way of getting out of doing his share of the chores.  I'm thinking my gosh anyone that can run back and forth to the bathroom as much as he does shouldn't have underwear caked with poop!  It's to the point he SMELLS like poop and the kids complain about him at school that he smells. I asked him if it bothers him he said no he doesn't notice, but I Can notice when he's got poop in his underwear because he walks funny and complains his butt hurts.  I even bought him adult pull ups because I got tired of throwing his underwear away instead of washing them it was THAT bad. I figured that would click on him to either get to the bathroom or wipe better or something!  Nope, he just thought that was a way for him to just go ahead and keep on going since he wasn't ruining anymore underwear this way. Went back to underwear and have been making him clean his own underwear by hand and do his own laundry, this isn't helping either.  Yes I've taken him to the doctor the doctor just prescribed him some more over the counter stool softeners which seemed to make things worse.  We were walking through the grocery store the other day and all of a sudden he bends over and starts dancing and crossing his legs Im like what is WRONG with you? He said he had to go to the bathroom and he wasn't going to make it I said good gosh why didn't you go already it doesn't just hit LIKE THAT.  He said it did.  So he got home today came up to me and gave me a hug and REAKED of poop. I was like oh god, go take a bath and go wash your underwear.  I asked him why he can' t wipe any better, he said he does I said there was no way he could have and have THAT much poop in his underwear so WHY are you doing this and I told him I didn't want "i don't know" as answer.  He said it just happens!  So I don't know if he's just being lazy or if this is  a real medical issue or if this is a mental thing.  The doctor didn't seem to get what he or I was trying to tell him what was going on when we there last time that we have a real issue here!  He will be in 6th grade next year and will have to change in front of a bunch of other kids in PE and he's going to get the snot beat out of him for having poop in his underwear by other boys.  He's in 5th grade now, he's 5'6" weighs around 160 and wears a 10 1/2 mens shoe.  He's a big boy and gets picked on a lot by other kids because of his size already.  The psychiatrist just also placed him on Concerta because he is showing signs of ADD or ADHD and he does have an older 1/2 sister that is ADHD.  We've come to the point that after showers we have to do "butt checks" because he doesn't wash his butt really well and there's still goop still in his crack after the bath.  I think what is bothering me most is that none of it bothers him at all!  HELP!

I HAVE FIRST HAND EXPERIENCE WITH THIS ALSO.  MY YOUNGER BROTHER HAD POOPING ISSUES LIKE THIS.  HE WENT AND HAD A FULL GI SERIES TO DETERMINE IF THERE WASY ANYTHING PHYSICALLY WRONG.  THERE WASN'T. IT WAS PSYCHOLOGICAL.  HE WAS USING HIS BOWELS AS A METHOD TO CONTOL HIS LIFE.  AGAIN I HAVE SECONDARY EXPERIENCE WITH MY OLDEST STEPSON.  HE IS STILL HAVING BOWEL ISSUES.  IT IS DISGUSTING.  IT HAS IMPROVED.  I HAVE TAKEN HIM TO DR APPT AND TO SEE A PSYCHOLOGIST.  HE DETERMINED THAT HE NEEDED BOWEL RETRAINING AS A RESULT OF HOLDING IT FOR SOOOO LONG FOR TOOOO LONG.  HE FELT LIKE IT WAS A CONTROL ISSUE RESULTING FROM PAST ISSUES.  ABOVE ALL TAKE HIM TO A DOCTOR FOR A FULL PHYSICAL.
 
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May 14, 2007, 7:21 am PDT

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Hi, I know this isn't a new issue facing the world, but new to me. My middle daughter is 13 and has a negative attitude towards everything, participates in name calling, lies, and just seems to be miserable. She is the only child of three like this and I am at the end of my ropes with it. Any suggestions?
 
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May 15, 2007, 11:31 pm PDT

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I will try to keep this as brief as possible but I am having real issues here and I don't know what to do anymore!  I am 37 divorced I have 3 kids 16, 13 (both girls)..then there's the boy 11 yrs old.  He has issues in school won't do this or that seems I get a call from the school with complaints about him every other day not doing homework not participating in class, disruptive etc etc. Well 2 yrs ago they told me he shows signs of depression.  ** A little background here, his dad is bipolar and so is my son's 1/2 brother from his dad's previous marriage**  We did not dismiss it but we did not see what they were describing at school at home.  He does have anger issues I won't deny that.  His dad and I split up when he was barely a year old. His dad wasn't much in his life until he turned around 9 he became more active in his life since he finally got straightened up on his meds and quit the "extra curricular" drugs!  Anyways, past couple of years he's had soiled underwear in the past but not too often and not that bad..typical boy stuff I would assume.  Then it has steadily got worse.  At first he would complain he was constipated and wouldn't have a bowel movement for several days he would then would complain it hurt to go to the bathroom. I tried laxatives and suppositories then complained his stomach hurt when he took them then had diahrhea (sp?). 

Back in October I got a call from the school that it was an emergency. My son had wrote a note that he would die soon and the school took it as a suicide note I ended up having to take him to a county psych hospital at the demand of the school in which they admitted him and kept him for a week diagnosed him as depressed stuck him on zoloft and a couple of anger management of classes.  Now we go once a month through the MHMR since I don't have insurance to keep him on the pills.  Anyways the soiled underwear is worse and it's just gross!  It's like he just poops in his pants and doesn't think anything about it.  Everytime we do something that require physical activity he's running back and forth to the bathroom. At first I thought it was his way of getting out of doing his share of the chores.  I'm thinking my gosh anyone that can run back and forth to the bathroom as much as he does shouldn't have underwear caked with poop!  It's to the point he SMELLS like poop and the kids complain about him at school that he smells. I asked him if it bothers him he said no he doesn't notice, but I Can notice when he's got poop in his underwear because he walks funny and complains his butt hurts.  I even bought him adult pull ups because I got tired of throwing his underwear away instead of washing them it was THAT bad. I figured that would click on him to either get to the bathroom or wipe better or something!  Nope, he just thought that was a way for him to just go ahead and keep on going since he wasn't ruining anymore underwear this way. Went back to underwear and have been making him clean his own underwear by hand and do his own laundry, this isn't helping either.  Yes I've taken him to the doctor the doctor just prescribed him some more over the counter stool softeners which seemed to make things worse.  We were walking through the grocery store the other day and all of a sudden he bends over and starts dancing and crossing his legs Im like what is WRONG with you? He said he had to go to the bathroom and he wasn't going to make it I said good gosh why didn't you go already it doesn't just hit LIKE THAT.  He said it did.  So he got home today came up to me and gave me a hug and REAKED of poop. I was like oh god, go take a bath and go wash your underwear.  I asked him why he can' t wipe any better, he said he does I said there was no way he could have and have THAT much poop in his underwear so WHY are you doing this and I told him I didn't want "i don't know" as answer.  He said it just happens!  So I don't know if he's just being lazy or if this is  a real medical issue or if this is a mental thing.  The doctor didn't seem to get what he or I was trying to tell him what was going on when we there last time that we have a real issue here!  He will be in 6th grade next year and will have to change in front of a bunch of other kids in PE and he's going to get the snot beat out of him for having poop in his underwear by other boys.  He's in 5th grade now, he's 5'6" weighs around 160 and wears a 10 1/2 mens shoe.  He's a big boy and gets picked on a lot by other kids because of his size already.  The psychiatrist just also placed him on Concerta because he is showing signs of ADD or ADHD and he does have an older 1/2 sister that is ADHD.  We've come to the point that after showers we have to do "butt checks" because he doesn't wash his butt really well and there's still goop still in his crack after the bath.  I think what is bothering me most is that none of it bothers him at all!  HELP!

Has your son been tested for IBS? Irritable Bowel Syndrome.  There are 2 forms of IBS...One form will constipate you for weeks at a time and no amount of stoll softener will help. But once the urge to  go to the bathroom hits it is almost uncontrolable to hold.  The second form is going to the bathroom ALL the time. The need to have a bowel movement will strike at any moment and most people with this form of IBS must wear adult diapers if they leave the house. 

 

People who suffer from IBS complain of severe stomach pain, bloating and painful rectum.  

 

I have been suffering from IBS for many years now. I have the first form and believe me, it is very painful and can control your life and moods.  My mother suffers from the second form of IBS.   Unfortunatly there are no drugs you can take to fix either of these disorders...But special diets can help to relieve a lot of the problems. 

 

There are certain foods, if eaten by someone with either form of IBS, that will aggrivate the condition and make the symptoms 100 times worse.  I think your son needs to see a Gastro Dr. immediatly.  They can do a lower G.I. and rule out Crones Disease. Which, quiet honestly, could also be a possibility for your son.  But the Gastro Dr. can give you and your son a special diet to try and maybe you will see some results.

 

I deeply feel for you and your son.  And I can't help but feel that some of the drugs your son is taking may be contributing to your son's lack of bowel control.  With some of the medications you have mentioned above...bowel issues are some of the more severe side effects to the meds.  

 

You also mention that your son just does not seem to care if he is soiled all the time. The problem with a lot of depression and anxiety medications is that it affects the Dopamine and Seritonin production in the brain. If these chemicals are altered incorrectly they can cause the person to just lose interest in everything. Basicaly, the thing in the brain that tells you something is wrong is being suppressed and you just don't care.

 

I am a child Psycologist and one of the first things I do when I see a new patient is tell the parents to have a full work up done on the child before moving any further. Sometimes the mental issues can be fixed if there is an underlying Physical issue. 

 

I do hope this is of some help to you.   And if money or insurance is a problem and you can not afford all of these test, may I suggest you visit your local hospital's administration office and fill out the forms for free services. All hospitals have reserve funds set up to cover the cost of bills if medical testing is needed.  This, of course, is not advertised and not made mention of unless you request these forms.   Once again, I do hope I was of some help to you.

 
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May 15, 2007, 11:50 pm PDT

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Hi, I know this isn't a new issue facing the world, but new to me. My middle daughter is 13 and has a negative attitude towards everything, participates in name calling, lies, and just seems to be miserable. She is the only child of three like this and I am at the end of my ropes with it. Any suggestions?

You pretty much answered your own question. Your daughter is the middle child.  I'm sure you've heard that negative attention is better than no attention at all. Most middle children under go an identity crisis sometime in their lives.  The problem with this is they usualy begin to act out.  A middle child is kind of stuck in a weird spot in the pecking order of home and family. The oldest child is the one who is granted the most responsibilty and the youngest child is usual more protected and allowed a little more leway( of course these things are usualy done without noticing by the family).  While the middle child is basicaly, just the middle child.

 

How much alone time does your daughter receieve? How much responsibility is your daughter given?  Of all the children in a home the middle child tends to need that little extra loving care. If the middle child feels there is an unequal balance between the kids they will do whatever it takes to get you to notice them.

 

Another thing that is a big factor in all of this is...your middle child is a girl. And a new teenage girl at that.  She may feel strange about the new body changes going on and feels no one truely understands her issues.  I have 2 teenage daughters and one is a middle child. I try to pay a little extra attention to her and her issues. I give her one one quality time to allow her to put me in her confidences. 

 

But unfortunatly once your little girl starts going through the change into womanhood she will become more moody and sometimes miserable. 

 

May I suggest a girls day. Suprise your daughter, take her to lunch, go shopping together, have your hair and nails done together. Try to reestablish your mother/daughter bond again.   Start having mother/daughter dates once a month. Give your daughter something special to look forward to that is only hers.  You may not see a miracle over night but I believe, you will over time, notice her behavoir changing to something closer to the little girl you used to remeber.

 
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May 16, 2007, 7:39 am PDT

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Hi, I know this isn't a new issue facing the world, but new to me. My middle daughter is 13 and has a negative attitude towards everything, participates in name calling, lies, and just seems to be miserable. She is the only child of three like this and I am at the end of my ropes with it. Any suggestions?

The other poster could have a valid point! Your daughter is going through a tough time- being 13 isn’t all that ‘fun’ these days- but she is also the middle child, and often times, the middle child becomes lost in the shuffle. Not physically, but emotionally. My advice to you is to make time to do things with her one on one, spend quality time with her- it doesn’t have to be a ton of time as long as it is quality time. At the age of 13, now is the time to draw her closer to you, don’t allow her to pull away, because that negative attitude will get worse and worse. Encourage her to have her friends over, volunteer to drive them places that they would like to go. Approach your daughter and have a conversation with her (not an argument- a conversation) where you let her know that you want her to have fun life experiences, but she has to prove that she is trustworthy to you. This means you have to give her a little rope and see what she does with it- will she take the rope and be responsible, or will she hang herself with it? Give her the chance to be where she says that she is going to be and prove that to you, and she will get more and more privileges. This probably doesn’t work for all tweens, but it worked for mine when she was that age. I also had to find a counselor specializing in ‘tween’ issues because she had began cutting herself, I’m so happy to say that the counselor helped me, also, because I truly didn’t understand what was going on and I needed guidance as much as my child did. Best of luck to you.

 
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June 3, 2007, 5:16 pm PDT

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Hi,

I have sole custody of my wonderful 13 year old son.  I have had sole custody since he was 2 years of age.  For years my son has come home and told me of the humiliation and embarassment he feels when he is in public with his father.  Stories of of his fathers public outburst of anger towards others in stores, when driving, telling him to take stuff in stores, negative interactions with the police (the fater has a criminal record) many more stories.  He has also in the recent months spoken of changing his surname to my surname.   He does not want to visit him. In my workds I dont want a court order to have him submit to this.  It is also of my concern that he has become used to sleeping on the floor at the foot of his grandmothers bed.  He used to sleep with her when he was little.  His 11 year old sister still does (the fact that hs slept with his granny did not bother me) .  He is choosing the floor over his dead great grandmothers bed(room) which freeks him out a little.  I am concerned that the fathers behaviors (as reported to me by my son) and my son who is getting older and not willing to swallow and chooses to speak up in his defence will eventually lead to more trouble.  He has recently told him of his beating homosexual men in his younger days and encourages my son to do it in the future and of cours my son has answered "why would I do that?".

I am feeling that I need to petition the court on his behalf. When I look up resourses on the internet there is nothing about children who want to change the terms of their aggreement only  parents who want to alienate their children from their non custodial parents.  I am not attempting to alienate my child I only want to look out for his rights.  My sister suggested that we request the services of a social worker at my sons school to help him work this out or to get outside non familial advice. I am also going to call the "office of the children's lawyer and am encouraging my son to call our provincial child advocate office.

 

Any advice out there?

 

 
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June 4, 2007, 11:00 am PDT

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Hi,

I have sole custody of my wonderful 13 year old son.  I have had sole custody since he was 2 years of age.  For years my son has come home and told me of the humiliation and embarassment he feels when he is in public with his father.  Stories of of his fathers public outburst of anger towards others in stores, when driving, telling him to take stuff in stores, negative interactions with the police (the fater has a criminal record) many more stories.  He has also in the recent months spoken of changing his surname to my surname.   He does not want to visit him. In my workds I dont want a court order to have him submit to this.  It is also of my concern that he has become used to sleeping on the floor at the foot of his grandmothers bed.  He used to sleep with her when he was little.  His 11 year old sister still does (the fact that hs slept with his granny did not bother me) .  He is choosing the floor over his dead great grandmothers bed(room) which freeks him out a little.  I am concerned that the fathers behaviors (as reported to me by my son) and my son who is getting older and not willing to swallow and chooses to speak up in his defence will eventually lead to more trouble.  He has recently told him of his beating homosexual men in his younger days and encourages my son to do it in the future and of cours my son has answered "why would I do that?".

I am feeling that I need to petition the court on his behalf. When I look up resourses on the internet there is nothing about children who want to change the terms of their aggreement only  parents who want to alienate their children from their non custodial parents.  I am not attempting to alienate my child I only want to look out for his rights.  My sister suggested that we request the services of a social worker at my sons school to help him work this out or to get outside non familial advice. I am also going to call the "office of the children's lawyer and am encouraging my son to call our provincial child advocate office.

 

Any advice out there?

 

Sounds like your ex is unpredictable and might even be dangerous. It sounds like your son, at the tender age of 13, has already developed a strong sense of right and wrong, and he wants nothing to do with “wrong.” My advice to you is the same as your sister’s- to seek outside help from a therapist or other professional, because if you go on down to the courthouse and attempt to file these papers on your own, with no record being taken by a professional before hand, you could be turned into the ‘bad guy’ who is turning your son against his father, and you know that isn’t true, and you know that you don’t want that to happen. This is a formal process. Your sister’s advice, to use the services of the social worker at your son’s school, is good advice, and a good place to start if that is the only resource that you have. In my own personal opinion, I have always chosen to keep my children’s school out of our personal life as much as possible, so when I have needed to seek professional help in the past, I found a therapist specializing in pre-teen and family issues, outside of school. This has been such a valuable resource for me and my family, and I don’t think I could have been as open and honest as I have been if I was talking to a person who, although is a professional, I have to see/have contact with on a regular basis through the school. That is just me, though, and I understand that other people may have totally different feelings about it, especially if you lack insurance and that is your only resource. Don’t delay- your son’s feelings are real and they are painful. It is wonderful that he trusts you enough to come to you- you should be proud that your son knows he can trust you. It is important to get the ball rolling, get appointments to see a professional therapist/social worker ASAP so that your son will be comfortable knowing he won’t have to go to his father’s. I wish you the best!

 
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June 4, 2007, 11:29 am PDT

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okay. im 16.. my names heather.. and i have been having some problems with my parents lately.

they kinda dont trust me because of past actions.. and i regret doingg what i did.. i wish i could go back and take it back ... but my paretns think im gonna keep doing it.. but im not.

& they think im irresponsible & immature.

i admit.. sometimes i do act immature.. but isnt that waht im supposed to do? be a teen and have fun? thats what im doing.

and as for the responsible part.. i had a boyfriend who had hit me ... and i broke up with him and never spoke to him again.. on my own will.. not because my aprents made me.

and my parents dont think im ready for a car or license.. but i think i am. my parents say im not mature ... but i think i am...for the most parrt... unless im with my friends.. then im acting immature & just having a good time..

and if a boy calls me or if i want to hang out with some guy friends they think im gonna make out with him or something. i have a few guy friends that i just dont see that way.. but they just odnt believe me.

 

so what do you think i could do to prove to my parents that i am trustworthy...able to have a car... and make them believe that my guy friends are JUST friends?

any suggestions?

 
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June 4, 2007, 2:11 pm PDT

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okay. im 16.. my names heather.. and i have been having some problems with my parents lately.

they kinda dont trust me because of past actions.. and i regret doingg what i did.. i wish i could go back and take it back ... but my paretns think im gonna keep doing it.. but im not.

& they think im irresponsible & immature.

i admit.. sometimes i do act immature.. but isnt that waht im supposed to do? be a teen and have fun? thats what im doing.

and as for the responsible part.. i had a boyfriend who had hit me ... and i broke up with him and never spoke to him again.. on my own will.. not because my aprents made me.

and my parents dont think im ready for a car or license.. but i think i am. my parents say im not mature ... but i think i am...for the most parrt... unless im with my friends.. then im acting immature & just having a good time..

and if a boy calls me or if i want to hang out with some guy friends they think im gonna make out with him or something. i have a few guy friends that i just dont see that way.. but they just odnt believe me.

 

so what do you think i could do to prove to my parents that i am trustworthy...able to have a car... and make them believe that my guy friends are JUST friends?

any suggestions?

 Hey its nice to see I'm not the only 16 year old on this site. I only really have one suggestion to your problem. I know that you think it'll kill you but just listen for a minute k? I suggest doing as you parents ask. If they tell you not to go to that party tonight umm don't go. You can't tell your parents that your mature you have to show them you are. Do your chores, go to school everyday, make attempts to have alone time with your parents, show them your latest english test, and the biggest thing you could do is DON"T LIE TO THEM.And trust me girl I know that you have some guy friends that are just guy friends but moms and dads have issues seeing that. I suggest bring them over to meet your parents or have them come over to your house to hang out.  And eventually, with time and I mean time your parents will trust you again...but it will take time. Remeber trust is a two way street and most importantly be respectfull and caring. I hope I've helped!!! 
 
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June 4, 2007, 5:48 pm PDT

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Sounds like your ex is unpredictable and might even be dangerous. It sounds like your son, at the tender age of 13, has already developed a strong sense of right and wrong, and he wants nothing to do with wrong. My advice to you is the same as your sisters- to seek outside help from a therapist or other professional, because if you go on down to the courthouse and attempt to file these papers on your own, with no record being taken by a professional before hand, you could be turned into the bad guy who is turning your son against his father, and you know that isnt true, and you know that you dont want that to happen. This is a formal process. Your sisters advice, to use the services of the social worker at your sons school, is good advice, and a good place to start if that is the only resource that you have. In my own personal opinion, I have always chosen to keep my childrens school out of our personal life as much as possible, so when I have needed to seek professional help in the past, I found a therapist specializing in pre-teen and family issues, outside of school. This has been such a valuable resource for me and my family, and I dont think I could have been as open and honest as I have been if I was talking to a person who, although is a professional, I have to see/have contact with on a regular basis through the school. That is just me, though, and I understand that other people may have totally different feelings about it, especially if you lack insurance and that is your only resource. Dont delay- your sons feelings are real and they are painful. It is wonderful that he trusts you enough to come to you- you should be proud that your son knows he can trust you. It is important to get the ball rolling, get appointments to see a professional therapist/social worker ASAP so that your son will be comfortable knowing he wont have to go to his fathers. I wish you the best!

Thanks for you sound advice...all the advice I get I will mull over in my mind and come to a decision as to what to do.   Regards, Micheli
 
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