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June 6, 2008, 8:32 am PDT

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I have a wonderfull little gril who is 9 1/2 (you can not forget the 1/2).  We have been fighting about keeping her room clean and general pick up after yourself her whole life.  I am very effected emotionaly by the clutter and clean ness of my house.  I have talked to her about ; this is what I would do but I can except the best she can do or for her to do it her way.  And I have for most jobs she does, I try to encourge her and thank her for her good work.  She is always pleased that she did a good job.

The trouble is she does not do anything in her room or the rest of house unless we have a fight about it.  She is very unorginized and dirty.  If she drops something there it stays.  It makes me so sad and I don't know what to do to teach her to care for her things.  Its not just her room.  Every room in the house has her name carved into it or the walls are covered with her writting and drawings.  She is obsessed with markers.  Her sheets her body her furnature is covered with scribles and wrighting.  I have not done it yet but she is going to wash the walls that she wrote on.  Everything I have tried has not been efective.  I take things away she does'nt care, she gets grounded.  As soon as the grounding is done she goes back to doing whatever she was grounded for.  When I try to talk to her about what she is doing her response to me "It's my life, Its my room, it's my stuff".  I do not seem to be able to tell her why cleaning your room and taking care of your things is importent.  I don't even really know my self why.  I just know that it is important. 

Dr Phil says to take everything out of the room tv, computors, phone ect.  My kids are not going to have those things in their bedrooms.  I don't think that it is nessasary.  I would like to encourge her but i am not sure how to do that.  When she does anything good I try to praise her and I try to find more things to praise her for.  As any kid is she loves to buy things.  Her favorite is to buy earrings and jewlery.  We have tried to catch her doing things without being told or when her attitude has been sweet and have taken her to buy

those things .  As soon as she is home with it or them they are lost or broke and all over the house.  And after that she thinks we should pay her for every right thing she does.  How do I teach her these things?

 
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June 6, 2008, 10:36 am PDT

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I have a wonderfull little gril who is 9 1/2 (you can not forget the 1/2).  We have been fighting about keeping her room clean and general pick up after yourself her whole life.  I am very effected emotionaly by the clutter and clean ness of my house.  I have talked to her about ; this is what I would do but I can except the best she can do or for her to do it her way.  And I have for most jobs she does, I try to encourge her and thank her for her good work.  She is always pleased that she did a good job.

The trouble is she does not do anything in her room or the rest of house unless we have a fight about it.  She is very unorginized and dirty.  If she drops something there it stays.  It makes me so sad and I don't know what to do to teach her to care for her things.  Its not just her room.  Every room in the house has her name carved into it or the walls are covered with her writting and drawings.  She is obsessed with markers.  Her sheets her body her furnature is covered with scribles and wrighting.  I have not done it yet but she is going to wash the walls that she wrote on.  Everything I have tried has not been efective.  I take things away she does'nt care, she gets grounded.  As soon as the grounding is done she goes back to doing whatever she was grounded for.  When I try to talk to her about what she is doing her response to me "It's my life, Its my room, it's my stuff".  I do not seem to be able to tell her why cleaning your room and taking care of your things is importent.  I don't even really know my self why.  I just know that it is important. 

Dr Phil says to take everything out of the room tv, computors, phone ect.  My kids are not going to have those things in their bedrooms.  I don't think that it is nessasary.  I would like to encourge her but i am not sure how to do that.  When she does anything good I try to praise her and I try to find more things to praise her for.  As any kid is she loves to buy things.  Her favorite is to buy earrings and jewlery.  We have tried to catch her doing things without being told or when her attitude has been sweet and have taken her to buy

those things .  As soon as she is home with it or them they are lost or broke and all over the house.  And after that she thinks we should pay her for every right thing she does.  How do I teach her these things?

I see the desperation in your post and it is understandable. As a parent myself, I know that you want your child to have better then you’ve had in life, and you want for her to experience a healthy, happy life.
Does your daughter have a father or father-figure in her life? Has she experienced any traumatic events in her life, such as witnessing violence or being a victim of violence? The reason I ask is because the characteristics that you describe about your daughter indicate a lack of self worth, and witnessing/having traumatic experiences in life could have created (or greatly contributed to) that lack of self worth/low self esteem.
It is great that you try to catch her doing good things and praise her for that. Be sure not to “over-do” the praise, though- it is something that we, as parents, have to be careful about. Praising them too much gives them the indication that they are on a pedestal, and not praising them enough causes a host of issues.
Dr. Phil always says to “know your child’s currency.” Your daughter likes to buy jewelry; that is her ‘currency.’ She breaks them, don’t buy new ones.
You know that she is capable of doing/being good, because she is good when she is grounded and/or when she wants to be good. Her attitude that “its my life, its my room, its my stuff” has to be nipped in the bud ASAP. When she says that, what is your response? That attitude should not be accepted in your home. Your child is showing no respect for you, for your home, and no respect for herself/her things.
You said that you’ve tried many different tactics and they don’t seem to work. It is important that you are 100% consistent with these tactics; don’t try one and give up when it doesn’t work. Pick one and stick with it for at least 2-3 weeks. Your child knows that she can get away with the things that she does; that is the reason she does it. When you prove to her that you can, and that you will, enforce your new rules and boundaries, prove to her that you will by being consistent, things will begin to change. My advice to you is to seek outside, professional help as soon as possible. Your daughter is only 9 and a half now, but by the time she is 12, this attitude will be full-blown hell for your household. You’ve got to learn how to get a handle NOW, because there is no later. Do this  for her, because she needs and deserves to have guidance in her life. Although she doesn’t show it, she does want it. If you think that she tests your patience now, just wait ‘till she is 12. I wish you the best- it can be difficult to change this long-held, bad attitude that your child has, but the end result is worth it. 
 
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June 6, 2008, 11:35 am PDT

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I have a wonderfull little gril who is 9 1/2 (you can not forget the 1/2).  We have been fighting about keeping her room clean and general pick up after yourself her whole life.  I am very effected emotionaly by the clutter and clean ness of my house.  I have talked to her about ; this is what I would do but I can except the best she can do or for her to do it her way.  And I have for most jobs she does, I try to encourge her and thank her for her good work.  She is always pleased that she did a good job.

The trouble is she does not do anything in her room or the rest of house unless we have a fight about it.  She is very unorginized and dirty.  If she drops something there it stays.  It makes me so sad and I don't know what to do to teach her to care for her things.  Its not just her room.  Every room in the house has her name carved into it or the walls are covered with her writting and drawings.  She is obsessed with markers.  Her sheets her body her furnature is covered with scribles and wrighting.  I have not done it yet but she is going to wash the walls that she wrote on.  Everything I have tried has not been efective.  I take things away she does'nt care, she gets grounded.  As soon as the grounding is done she goes back to doing whatever she was grounded for.  When I try to talk to her about what she is doing her response to me "It's my life, Its my room, it's my stuff".  I do not seem to be able to tell her why cleaning your room and taking care of your things is importent.  I don't even really know my self why.  I just know that it is important. 

Dr Phil says to take everything out of the room tv, computors, phone ect.  My kids are not going to have those things in their bedrooms.  I don't think that it is nessasary.  I would like to encourge her but i am not sure how to do that.  When she does anything good I try to praise her and I try to find more things to praise her for.  As any kid is she loves to buy things.  Her favorite is to buy earrings and jewlery.  We have tried to catch her doing things without being told or when her attitude has been sweet and have taken her to buy

those things .  As soon as she is home with it or them they are lost or broke and all over the house.  And after that she thinks we should pay her for every right thing she does.  How do I teach her these things?

I agree with the previous poster...get some professional help...NOW...make an appoinement to see a psychologist or counselor...there is obviously something going on with your daughter...

 

But, take heart...it is normal for kids to be dis-obedient...that's why we parents are here...to make them do what they are supposed to do...but the vandalism of the walls is concerning...

 

I have an idea about the drawing on the walls...perhaps, as a reward for your daughter having a clean room, you could paint her bedroom, and allow her to do a mural on one wall...anything she wants...within reason...and that wall is hers to decorate, but the rest of the walls are off-limits...maybe she needs an outlet for her artistic tendencies...

 

That being said though, you really do need to seek professional help...as kids enter their teen years, they really need guidance to stay on the right path...

 

Becky

 
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June 6, 2008, 1:44 pm PDT

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I see the desperation in your post and it is understandable. As a parent myself, I know that you want your child to have better then youve had in life, and you want for her to experience a healthy, happy life.
Does your daughter have a father or father-figure in her life? Has she experienced any traumatic events in her life, such as witnessing violence or being a victim of violence? The reason I ask is because the characteristics that you describe about your daughter indicate a lack of self worth, and witnessing/having traumatic experiences in life could have created (or greatly contributed to) that lack of self worth/low self esteem.
It is great that you try to catch her doing good things and praise her for that. Be sure not to over-do the praise, though- it is something that we, as parents, have to be careful about. Praising them too much gives them the indication that they are on a pedestal, and not praising them enough causes a host of issues.
Dr. Phil always says to know your childs currency. Your daughter likes to buy jewelry; that is her currency. She breaks them, dont buy new ones.
You know that she is capable of doing/being good, because she is good when she is grounded and/or when she wants to be good. Her attitude that its my life, its my room, its my stuff has to be nipped in the bud ASAP. When she says that, what is your response? That attitude should not be accepted in your home. Your child is showing no respect for you, for your home, and no respect for herself/her things.
You said that youve tried many different tactics and they dont seem to work. It is important that you are 100% consistent with these tactics; dont try one and give up when it doesnt work. Pick one and stick with it for at least 2-3 weeks. Your child knows that she can get away with the things that she does; that is the reason she does it. When you prove to her that you can, and that you will, enforce your new rules and boundaries, prove to her that you will by being consistent, things will begin to change. My advice to you is to seek outside, professional help as soon as possible. Your daughter is only 9 and a half now, but by the time she is 12, this attitude will be full-blown hell for your household. Youve got to learn how to get a handle NOW, because there is no later. Do this  for her, because she needs and deserves to have guidance in her life. Although she doesnt show it, she does want it. If you think that she tests your patience now, just wait till she is 12. I wish you the best- it can be difficult to change this long-held, bad attitude that your child has, but the end result is worth it. 

she does have a father in the picture.  He alows her to speek to him with disrespect any time she talks to him.  When she speeks to me with attitude I call her on it, it hasn't worked except that she talks a little more respectfully to me.  i have not known what to do about that eather.  Just calling her on it has not changed it.  her dad knows even less then me what to do.  I came from a really strict home.  My mother did not know what else to do but control with yelling and hitting.  I am not going to do that to my children.  Yes i may be in the oppisit ditch, but I am trying.  I don't feel like I am overly permissive.  When she was first born I did have a problem with anger (yelling).  I have desided not to do that anymore and I am most of the time stopping it.  So I guess she has experienced violence in the past. 

I had thought about low self esteem but she doesn't act like me so I was not sure.  My responce to her its mine is that i do get angry, i think I control it  but she still says I am yelling at her.  I tell her that it isn't all hers and that I am in control of what she gets and how she lives.  She will be able to control her own life when she turns 18.  Then I try to tell her what my job in her life is and that she needs to be more mature when it is her turn to be in control.  She wont listen turns me off.  I get hurt ,but I still try to finnish what I am saying.  My mother told me daily that she could not wait till I was out of her house.  So  I never felt like I had a home.  I do not want her to feel that.  I guess i do not know how to do that eather.  I am concerned that I am too strict.

It has bothered me that she has no respect for her parants.  I just don't know how to teach her how to have it.  I have thought about professional help before but I never new where to go or how to get started.  I am very concerned about when she gets older.  Not just because she could make my life stressfull but because I do know that no repect for yourself and your parents makes you unhappy and not all that you can be.

 
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June 13, 2008, 2:51 pm PDT

Single Mom Bad Situation...HELP!!! HELP!!! HELP!!!

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           My name is Nicole Page.  I am a single mother of a 7 year old boy named Xavier.  I seperated from my husband 6 years ago and have moved on with my life.  I do not wish to reconcile my differences with him.  I want a divorce.  I am raising my son by myself living out of my mothers house.  My Ex Travis Linares has filed a custody case out of Okaloosa County Florida for Child Support.  I have filed for Child Support here in Hillsborough County.  Okaloosa is saying I owe back child support in the amount of $15,000.  I do not owe this money, they have already taken $1860 out of my tax returns, which I claimed Xavier on.  They are now trying to suspend my license for non-payment.  I am getting help from the state under medicaid and foodstamps and workforce alliance and AFDC cash assistance.  This child support issue is uprooting everything I am trying to achieve and I have no one else to turn to.  I NEED YOUR HELP DR. PHIL!!!!!  Please contact me and I will give you any answers you need.  I am in desperate need of guidance and help through this matter.  A 7 year old boy is suffering because of the negligence of the state to thoroughly investigate our situation.  The custodial parent being myself is being charged when all I am trying to do is provide for my son.  His father is not involved in his life at all and does not support my son physically, emotionally, mentally, or financially.  PLEASE HELP ME!!!
 
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June 19, 2008, 1:53 pm PDT

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Dear Dr. Phil:

I have a 21 yr. old grandson who never finished the 8th grade because he refused to go to school so his mother (my daughter) signed him out.  She didn't know what to do to get him to go to school.  The school threatened to send the truant officer to the house but never did, instead my daughter started getting fined $50.00 a day for every day he didn't go to school, that's why she signed him out.  He never got a job and he doesn't have a drivers license, he failed the test 2x.  I tried talking to him and he either doesn't response or just says I know but!  There's always a but!  I signed him up for a 2 nite a week course at the Tech School so he could at least get his GED, he went I think maybe twice and stopped going.  When I ask him what he would like to do he says computer graphics.  He's really good with computers.  I tell him he has to get his GED before he can think about a job working with computers.  He spends his life in his room playing with all his toys, computer, Nintendo , etc.  He loves to watch the Discovery and History Channels on TV.  He is smart, funny (which we tell him all the time) but there's no motivation.  He mainly sleeps during the day and is up at night.  He says he can't fall asleep.  His parents well, mother is an enabler, that's her baby, the father can't say too much because the mother would jump to the rescue.  I love my daughter but she is not helping her son, which I told her and she agrees, but also makes excuses for him.  When he's ready he'll get a job. Helloooooo!!  He's 21 yrs. old.  He has a brother who is 22 1/2 who lives with his girlfriend of seven years and works a full time job.  Everyone in the family works, mother, father, brother, cousins, uncles.  Everyone in the family has talked to him and even offered to take him to fill out applications.  I have always said that he was depressed, he has very low self esteem.  I mentioned that he needs counseling, but that never happened, now he has no health insurance and  I'm worried about his health because he doesn't eat right, doesn't exercise he's about 6' 4" and weighs about 140 lbs.  I told him he needs to get out in sunlight for the vitamin D for his bones.  He doesn't do drugs, how could he, no friends, no social life.  I could go on and on but I won't.  I would greatly appreciate any advise.  Thank you,  a Worried Mommom!

 
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June 19, 2008, 8:37 pm PDT

Hope my experience can help

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Dear Dr. Phil:

I have a 21 yr. old grandson who never finished the 8th grade because he refused to go to school so his mother (my daughter) signed him out.  She didn't know what to do to get him to go to school.  The school threatened to send the truant officer to the house but never did, instead my daughter started getting fined $50.00 a day for every day he didn't go to school, that's why she signed him out.  He never got a job and he doesn't have a drivers license, he failed the test 2x.  I tried talking to him and he either doesn't response or just says I know but!  There's always a but!  I signed him up for a 2 nite a week course at the Tech School so he could at least get his GED, he went I think maybe twice and stopped going.  When I ask him what he would like to do he says computer graphics.  He's really good with computers.  I tell him he has to get his GED before he can think about a job working with computers.  He spends his life in his room playing with all his toys, computer, Nintendo , etc.  He loves to watch the Discovery and History Channels on TV.  He is smart, funny (which we tell him all the time) but there's no motivation.  He mainly sleeps during the day and is up at night.  He says he can't fall asleep.  His parents well, mother is an enabler, that's her baby, the father can't say too much because the mother would jump to the rescue.  I love my daughter but she is not helping her son, which I told her and she agrees, but also makes excuses for him.  When he's ready he'll get a job. Helloooooo!!  He's 21 yrs. old.  He has a brother who is 22 1/2 who lives with his girlfriend of seven years and works a full time job.  Everyone in the family works, mother, father, brother, cousins, uncles.  Everyone in the family has talked to him and even offered to take him to fill out applications.  I have always said that he was depressed, he has very low self esteem.  I mentioned that he needs counseling, but that never happened, now he has no health insurance and  I'm worried about his health because he doesn't eat right, doesn't exercise he's about 6' 4" and weighs about 140 lbs.  I told him he needs to get out in sunlight for the vitamin D for his bones.  He doesn't do drugs, how could he, no friends, no social life.  I could go on and on but I won't.  I would greatly appreciate any advise.  Thank you,  a Worried Mommom!

I have a son who went through the same thing.  It is the computer activity they get hooked on the games and chat rooms and never budge out of the house because the computer becomes their social life and it is a major addiction like any other, drugs, drinking etc.  If you can get him off the computer and there are places that  you can go to do your GED or online high school as he likes computers so much, see if they will accept him doing electronic high school.  I had to keep at my son and eventually he got his GED but he did have other adults routing for him that helped as well, he is very well liked, but also had a very low self esteem for some unknown reason.  It is now 3 years later and he is 21 and will be going off to Fiji to be a missionary for our church for 2 years.
Don't give up I know you must feel frustrated, try and get your daughter to maybe get rid of the computer at home and have him go to the library to use theirs.
 
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June 19, 2008, 8:48 pm PDT

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OUR 25 YEAR OLD SON (I WILL REFER TO HIM AS "SON" IN THIS MESSAGE)MOVED BACK TO GET ON HIS FEET AGAIN.... WE HAVE A CONNECTED GUEST QUARTERS THAT WE USE AS A GUEST ROOM

 

MY HUSBAND FEELS THAT WE SHOULD LET HIM HAVE FRIENDS "STAY OVER", INCLUDING HIS GIRLFRIEND.

 

I FEET THAT STAY OVER leads TO FRIENDS MOVING IN AND I EXPLAINED THAT WE CLEARLY DISCUSSED RULES PRIOR TO SON MOVING BACK.

WE WILL NOT PROVIDE HOUSING FOR both SON AND FRIENDS.

 

 I WANT TO KEEP COST AND MAINT/CHORES DOWN WHILE PROTECTING A CERTAIN DEGREE OF PRIVACY FOR THE PAYING FOLKS (aka parents)

 

IF WE PROVIDE FREE HOUSING THEN SON SPENDS HIS MONEY ON FOOD AND FUN FOR HIS FRIENDS.

 HIS LAST 3 PAYCHECKS ARE GONE IN ONE WEEKEND (AND THAT WAS WITH THE NO STAY RULE) - THEN MY HUSBAND AND I END UP PAYING ALL OUR BILLS, HIS BILLS AND HIS GAS FOR HIM TO GET TO WORK .  I FEEL THIS IS COUNTER PRODUCTIVE TO OUR ULTIMATE GOAL OF GETTING HIM BACK ON HIS FEET.  I ALSO DON'T LIKE THE GOOD PARENT VS MOM UNDERMINING TACTIC THAT IS USED TO GET amenities...  THIS RESULTS IN STRESS WHILE WE CONTINUE TO DEBATE WHAT IS "RIGHT "

 

 

MY VIEW: IF WE ARE HELPING HIM GET BACK ON HIS FEET AND WE PROVIDE A FREE REALLY COMFORTABLE HAVEN WILL THIS PREVENT HIM FROM WANTING TO MOVE OUT?

 

MY AGREEMENT WAS (NO RENT FOR SON TO STAY HERE) but he must follow these rules:

 

ONLY HE STAY HERE (NO HOUSING FOR FRIENDS)

NO OUT OF POCKET COST FOR PARENTS (HE PAY HIS BILLS AND SAVE TO GET BACK ON HIS FEET)

HE IS RESPECTFUL TO OUR PROPERTY, CLEANS AND MAINT THE AREA HE STAYS IN

 

 

ANY THOUGHTS REGARDING: ADULT CHILD'S GET BACK ON FEET TEMP HOME vs SUPER VACATION FOR ADULT CHILD

 

 

"Oh my goodness your life sounds like mine, except that our 27 year old daughter moved back to our home after not speaking to us, especially me the mother, for 1 year.  She had got herself separated from her husband and was running around and I called her on it which resulted in her shunning me for a year or more, then she arrived on our doorstep pregnant and destitute, in debt up to her eyeballs and we agreed to let her stay for 1 year.  Well the year is almost up and she has not contributed a dime, done a little cooking now and then, and since the baby came I quit my job to take care of the adorable little boy but she gets help from the State and pays her sister the money..the sister was babysitting in the a.m. until I quit work.  I did not want the money other than to help out when her brother goes to Fiji in October.  The hardest part is the manipulating and the father sticking up for her and he for him, it has driven me over the edge, as I have tried to keep my mouth shut and just do and do..I once heard someone say that you should never let your kids move back, I understand what you are going through because it sounds like you are enabling like I am...let's get tough I say and put an end to it with a 3 month notice...to be out and on their own fending for themselves.  Let me know what you have decided and if you have any advice for me.
 
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June 19, 2008, 9:10 pm PDT

AM I WRONG TO BE UPSET

I have 4 children 2 boys and 2 girls.  The children have grown up witnessing their parents yell and argue with each other.  When they were little I would beg my husband to quit because it would have an affect on them.  Well the two girls decided to rebel as teenagers, I would not allow boys in their rooms, their father thought it was ok.  My husband left the house one day and the boyfriends car was in the driveway, he did nothing about getting him out of our daughters bed, when I left for work and saw the car there I turned around and banged on the locked door and threw him out.  I would beg my husband to please get the boyfriend out of the bedroom while my daughter was changing, inappropriate I thought for the standards we had been teaching them, but he could not and would not take action.  The daughters would defy my requests and manipulate the father into believing them, my one daughter even struck me through the face and then called her father at work, he came home and stuck up for my daughter.  I was so distraught that when I went to work and showed the school officer the scratch marks on my arm as well, she said the only way to put a stop to it was to file charges, I did not want to do that and told her I would really think about it but decided to go ahead.  My husband went to the county attorney and testified on my daughters behalf...I was so upset, I had asked him to please stay out of it to let it be between my daughter and I that we needed to take care of it...but he couldn't.  I begged her to go to mediation with me she came with me to the county attorney but refused to have mediation she wanted to have her day in court and was fined $100 and ordered to go to counseling.

Well this is long, the older daughter arrived home pregnant after not talking to me for 1 year because I had heard that she was running around on her husband and I called her on it.  We agreed to let her move home for 1 year.  I told her and my husband together that I was ok with her moving home as long as there was no manipulating and getting between us and our marriage.  Well it has been 9 months now, I gave up a good job to take care of the baby when my daughter went back to work fulltime after 2 months.  The manipulating has started and my husband has been defending my daughter, I have worked so hard at overlooking and overlooking to keep the peace but it rears it's ugly head and my husband two weeks ago shoved me that I almost fell on the floor and asked me why I just cannot be kind.  I had been babysitting the entire day, we were supposed to go out to a show and my daughter put the baby in my arms after being home for 1/2 and said her and her dad were going to a town 15 miles away to get diesel for a truck he had loaned., I then had a melt down and told her she was taking advantage of me..it ended up with him telling me I was unkind and shoving me, giving her validation and we are now back to square one.  Please help me with some input, I am skimming the details if you want more I am willing to give. 

Thanking you kindly
Miserable mother, and wife.
 
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June 26, 2008, 8:10 pm PDT

how do i get my 6 year old daughter respect me, love me, and listen to me???

so here is my problem, i have a 6 year old daughter who has no respect for anyone or anything, i understand she is 6 but she should still be able to listen to us and understand what we the little things we say to do... .... its like i tell her one thing she does another and  its in one ear and out the other in the matter of seconds... i try not to lose my cool, and try to speak with her claimly but she throw crying fits like a 2 year old... i put her in time outs that seems to do nothing. i do not like sending her to her room all day but i just dont know what todo anymore... if anyone can help me maybe understand her side little better would be really sweet/nice im just getting so stressed i dont know what todo anymore??? someone or Dr.Phil please help!!!

 

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