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Grieving profound loss can be devastating, but it is a natural process. Share your grief with others and find support to help you recover.

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November 6, 2005, 11:57 am PST

Hi subwayfluf....

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hi... sorry i am not trying to be annoying or anything... but things have just gotten worse; my gerbil died. That doesn't sound like a lot, but it's the one thing that tipped the scale.  I don't know if I can do this anymore.    

If you could read the post I left (about 8 message down or something), I'd really appreciate it a lot. Thanks 

You are not being annoying or anything like that.  The death of a beloved pet can be the final straw on the camels back.  I read your previous message & you said you couldn't get in your parents way.  What did you mean by that?  Your parents MAY be the very place you need to turn for help.  If you don't think you can turn to your parents, what about a school guidance counselor or some other trusted adult?  I'll be happy to listen to you here & help all I can, but this may not be enough.   

  

Can you tell me a little more about yourself?  You are a senior in high school & that's all I know.  What are your plans after graduation?  What are your current interest?  Most important of all, what has made you so sad?  I know the years you are living through now are full of unknowns & that scares everyone, but has someone hurt you or let you down?  On this board we are similar to a little family & will help you all we can, love & support you.  I hope to hear from you soon...my email address is teenangel@otelco.net.  You can message me here or email me, which ever you are more comfy with.  If you email me, in the subject line let me know you are from the DP board so I'll be sure & open your message. 

  

Denise 

  

  

 
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November 6, 2005, 11:49 pm PST

thanks denise :-)

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You are not being annoying or anything like that.  The death of a beloved pet can be the final straw on the camels back.  I read your previous message & you said you couldn't get in your parents way.  What did you mean by that?  Your parents MAY be the very place you need to turn for help.  If you don't think you can turn to your parents, what about a school guidance counselor or some other trusted adult?  I'll be happy to listen to you here & help all I can, but this may not be enough.   

  

Can you tell me a little more about yourself?  You are a senior in high school & that's all I know.  What are your plans after graduation?  What are your current interest?  Most important of all, what has made you so sad?  I know the years you are living through now are full of unknowns & that scares everyone, but has someone hurt you or let you down?  On this board we are similar to a little family & will help you all we can, love & support you.  I hope to hear from you soon...my email address is teenangel@otelco.net.  You can message me here or email me, which ever you are more comfy with.  If you email me, in the subject line let me know you are from the DP board so I'll be sure & open your message. 

  

Denise 

  

  

God, it's almost 2:00am, but I've been crying so hard, and I don't want to go to school tomorrow... My parents will yell at me, say that I'm being stupid that that I have to go to school... But I just feel too weak and vulnerable to make it through the day. I will tell you alittle about myself... After graduation, I plan on going to the local community college, then transferring to Columbia College in Chicago to get my 4-year degree. My interests at the moment are mostly in music and taking care of animals. My depression has been around for awhile.. You see, after 8th grade, my dog, grandma, and great grandma all died within the same week. I had to go to lots of funerals, and I never learned how to greive. Plus, my first year of high school was right around the corner and my parents wanted me to not be sad. Then, during my freshmen year, I was put into a situation during a week-long field trip to NYC that made me really uncomfortable.. At 3am, after everyone on the bus was asleep, a boy that I barely knew basically got me into a corner of the bus and felt me up and did some other things. I didn't talk about that for two years to anybody. then I got involved with ritalin and vicodin abuse, and I also cut myself. It was either cutting or drugs; I've just been in a constant pain, and I do those things to make it go away. I just want to wake up and have somebody tell me that I was just in a nightmare, and it's all over.
 
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November 8, 2005, 8:13 am PST

My husband lost his grandmother last month

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Hi Kimmie - I can totally undestand how you feel.  My dad passed away 4 months ago and I can't imagine the upcoming holidays without him.  He was 67 and had been sick for a few months and at the end of May we found out he had some rare form of cancer, which was supposed to be treatable with this miracle drug, but the cancer was too far advanced for the medicine and he passed away June 15, just a few weeks after starting the medications.  I know I have lost a HUGE part of me and my best friend.  I have a hard time going to my parent's home now and just see everything thru different eyes since my dad passed away.  I had always been closer to my dad than my mother,  I was a "daddy's girl."   Everyone around me,  including my husband , is also suffering,  as my father was like a real father that he never had.  I cry at the slightest thing and anything that reminds me of my dad.    I am 40 years and also a diabetic, which was a gift I shared with my father.  I feel like I was robbed,  at times I'm mad at him for dying and at the same time I'm mad at myself for letting him die.  I feel like I missed something with his illness, that I should have insisted on a second opinion or I should have saw something and made him get treatment sooner.  I ask myself everyday, what could I have done.  My dad watched his mother suffer thru breast cancer and was adament that he did not want to be a bother to anyone and did not want to have to go thru chemo and all of that if there was no hope.  He did not want to be a vegetable or just a shell of a man that used to be.  He went fast and with dignity, the way he wanted to and thats the only thing that gives me strength is just knowing that he didn't suffer needlessly and endlessly.  I have an aunt that's in her mid 50's and has battled cancer for 5 years and she is now paralyzed and bedridden and that was exactly what my father did not want.  I have tried everyday to ask myself, what would daddy do if he was here - would he go there or do this or do that.  I talk to him everyday as I like to believe that he can hear me.  I pick up the phone to call him and realize that he's not going to answer.  I have 2 young children and I have to keep going for them and for my dad, if not for myself, then for them.  Unfortunately, I have learned in the last few months I can't stop living cause he's not here.  I go on, day by day, trying to honor and carry on his memory cause thats what he wanted for me and for his grandchildren.  I know nothing will ever fill this hole in my life or the hole in my heart, nothing will help the pain. 

This last month has been incredibly hard on my husband's family because the matriarch of his family passed away after a very short battle with cancer.  I am very worried for his mother and his uncle (her only children) because they are taking this so hard.  My mother-in-law told me that she hasn't allowed herself to feel anything because she doesn't want to feel anything for fear that she won't be able to handle her feelings.  The only good thing that came out of her death is that my mother-in-law was able to forgive her mom and get close to her mom before she died.  I am at a loss on how to help this family get through this because no one wants to talk about it.  If you could give me some advice I would appreciate it. 

 
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November 8, 2005, 2:12 pm PST

Loss of my only child

Hello Everyone, I'm new to this , don't get to get on very much. Thought I would share with you my blessing from GOD.We loved him so, shared our lives together & enjoyed him for 18 yrs, 3 months & 14 days. On Oct. 14, 2002 , Our son had passed away in the blink of an eye in a car accident, just like that. I am convinced these are special people whom our Lord calls home so that He can enjoy their presence.This has brought indescribable pain, that doesn't get better All of our dreams as well as the dreams we had for our son had vanished! We will never receive another mother's or father's day card. We would never be proud parents of the groom. We will never enjoy the honor of being grandparents. We was so close, I have made it this far by God's grace. Who ever said, In time it will get beter never buried their only child.
 
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November 8, 2005, 3:55 pm PST

Maybe you could...

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hello everyone, 

i have been a  fan of dr. phil for a long time but i am new to the site and already, i have found this to be a very healing place.my story is not one i wish on anyone to have to post but it may help others to know that their are others out there dealing with grief as well.On june 19 fathers day 2005 (this past june) i lost my 15 year old son and my 13 year old nephew due to an accidental drowning in a city park that is across a field from my back yard.my nephews had come over to see if my boys wanted to go there fishing on that day.this city park has small ponds that all of the community kids go to  to play and fish.so this was not an uncommon thing for the boys to go over there,anyways,about 2 hours later a knock on the door and it was one police officer dressed in uniform and one plain clothed officer.they had said a call had come in that two boys were in the water but thats all it was they didnt know what was going on.well to make a long agonizing day end as this was around 4:00 in the afternoon at 12:20 a.m. they found my son in the bottom of this pond.needless to say,my life has been a blur every since that day.my whole world has been turned upside down and i feel as if i have been on a roller coaster going nowhere for a little over 4 months now.my living children are now being diagnosed and assessed for pdsd (post traumatic stress disorder) my 9 year old which was with the boys on that day and went to run for help has not dealt with this loss at all.he misses his brother  and cousin so much but will not express that at all.my 13 year old daughter misses them as well my son was the only family she has on that side of her family.(my 15 year old son and her have the same dad) but he hasnt been in their lives at all.in fact at my sons funeral her dad didnt recgonize her although he wanted to, in his words"get to know her" so  supervised by his mom i gave him permission to take her to where he lives two hours away to hopefully give this little girl a piece of that side of her family back,he had her their a week and that was that ,he has walked away from her life again.it breaks my heart to see the pain and heartache in my children and i just want them to be ok,,,,,anyone have suggestions of stuff i can do?? they are going to counseling.i know they say the first year is the hardest after a loss,,and i can say this may be true but  speaking truthfully,i have also lost another child unfortunately,in 1991 just one day before the date of my 15 year olds death on june 18th  to a stillborn baby boy. the pain is always there and never goes away it does get easier with time ,but i guess i just dont understand how you put the fear out of your mind of asking ok i have had 4 children two of them have been taken from me,is my other children going to be taken too?i dont want to coddle my living kids but i surely dont want to see anything happen to them anyone have any suggestions?? i know i sound as if i am all over the place with my story and i am truely sorry i have so many questions and so few answers i just want to make sure we are all going to be ok.......how do you deal with your own grief and make sure your kids deal with it as well?i thank you for any help some of you may have and again,if u have a similar story,i just want to say how truely sorry i am for your loss it feels as if it is a nightmare that is very hard to wake up from.in advance,thank you so much for replies received. 

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                                                                   K_LEA 

p.s. also,after the boys's drowning we have found out that they are not the only ones that have parished in this parks ponds,a 17year old 11 years ago and a 12 year old 5 years ago and many many stories in the community out there that there have been others.what can we do to assure this wont happen again?? we have sought legal help but they say it will take thousands of dollars to hire water analysts ,divers ,investigators and such and we dont have the finances to hire.we have talked to the parks people but they  wont say much.frustrating to know  that it is money that will save these kids lives and if you dont have it nothing will ever be done and it is only a matter of time before it happens again. 

Hello, Maybe you could write a poem or journal? Or you and your children could make a scrapbook with his photos? Sometimes that helps, I made one of some of the photos I had.  I'm a mother of 4 Daughters. My 19.5 year old lost her 1st real boyfriend in a car accident. It totally changed our lives...I'll NEVER forget that day (June 27, 2001), I got the call from a friend but I thought there's no way that could be Jonathon, was I wrong. 

My daughter Valerie had just turned 15 in March, they went to his Senior Prom in April (I was scared to death to allow her to go for her oldest sister hadn't even gone to a Prom yet) but I did & I wouldn't let them go out and eat so bless his heart Jonathon made her dinner and brought it to the house to eat and there they sat in the kitchen with her 3 year old sister right on her lap eating their Prom Dinner! They went to his Prom (Which I don't think I would of let her go if his mother wasn't working @ the After Prom) Then she went with him 2 week before his death to get his Senior photos taken, well let me tell you I had no idea that would be the last time I ever saw him!!! They without telling me went to his Men’s Softball game (His mother was with them), well they got home about 9 that evening and I was scared to death for I had no idea where they was @. I told him when he brought her to the door she would have to be punished. He said I know and that he would call the next day to find out what it was. Well when he called I told him they couldn't see or call each other for 2 weeks!  Those 2 weeks was up the day after he passed away!  

I never told them they couldn't write...So that is what they did every day. Well, that night before he passed away she had stayed all night @ her Aunts and by the Grace of God she (Val) called Jonathon to ask him when he was coming over. Well that very morning of his passing she had talked to his brother just before coming home. 

Well before she got there I had gotten that call, and I went outside to keep my other oldest daughter (Heather, now 21.5 & Jonathon’s best friend) from getting the phone calls. Well Val came home, and I told them to all (Heather, then 17, Val, 15, D'Artagnan 5 & Jestik 3) come into the living room I had something to tell them...I did tell them, I NEVER in my years of life had to do something so very hard. He was part of us, @ our house all the time, followed me to tuck the babies in bed and helped me to do it, never was mouthy, never hateful, never seen this child do ANY wrong! She (Val) screamed NO I just talked to Michel, there’s no way he’s gone! I felt so bad for I had grounded them and we NONE of us got to see him before he passed away. I was bawling and ask Val I'm sorry what about me grounding you, she said NO Mom, you did the right thing, altho I felt like I hadn't. She (Val) screamed NO I just talked to Michel, there’s no way he’s gone! 

How he passed away was...he was on his way to Summer School, and he slumped over the steering wheel and ran into the path of a semi trailer filled with logs to take to a sawmill, the semi trailer driver seen him coming and tried to swerve to miss him but hit a embankment and Jonathon’s pick up truck ran right into the axel of the semi trailer and it killed him instantly, they had a closed casket (By the was this was all of our 1st closed casket funeral), it was so bad. We (Me and my 2 oldest daughters and my oldest daughter’s best friend) had to pass the crash site on the way and back from his funeral showing. They say Jonathon passed out or fell asleep, but I think it was because he had high blood pressure, (He had heart trouble & had passed out before & hit a mailbox with his brother Michael in the truck with him, this came out after his passing.) but falling asleep I couldn’t even understand for he was so use to getting up early for he worked on his families farm getting in the fruits. (They sold watermelons and melons to the local grocery stores.)    

But we went and made it through it all, then I didn’t think any of us would, I couldn’t even begin to imagine going through what you’ve been through loosing a child. (She his Mother (Tina) is my hero and I tell this to her all the time.)  Heather is my oldest daughter and her birthday is July 7th and they (Heather, Val & Jonathon) had plans to go to Kings Island for her birthday (The last day I spent time with him was on my birthday May 27th and he helped us put a swing together they all had gotten me for it.) Well needless to say those plans was canceled 

I know it was hard for me to help my daughters but we all talked about him and never let him leave us. He still today is such a big part of us. I felt a lot of guilt for she didn’t get to see him before he passed away because I grounded her. Now 4 years after his passing we are still connected to him and his family, his Mother comes to all my girls’ birthdays and we spend X-Mas together also, we have all struggled to understand this, But God picks the best! Angels!!! Now Valerie is going to be a Mother in Feb. (& yes his Mother will come to her shower!) and I wonder how and what they would have had together? (They we’re talking about getting married, but 1st going through school.) Heather writes poems of Jonathon all the time; yes he’s still a huge part of our lives still! My little ones still remember him and have some of his stuffed animals they sleep with nightly (Thanks to his Mother bringing some to them!) and they as well as I have his photos still up. So time does have a way of healing. November is a hard month tho for his 18 birthday was to be the 27th of Nov the year he passed.   

If you EVER day or night need anyone please feel free to contact me @ mammajoeshandmadegifts@yahoo.com! If you email me I will give you my home phone # and if you’d like we could talk. I know sometimes it seems as tho the world is out to get you and no one understands, in a way I do understand, in a way I don’t. I will keep you in my prayers and you are in my thoughts. I hope in someway I’ve helped you. Many Hugs, Mamma Joe 

 
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November 8, 2005, 4:08 pm PST

Tell Dr. Phil!!

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This is my first time writting on a message board but i think i've come to the point of just not knowing what to do anymore! My mother was murdered by her husband(my step-father) 14 yrs ago, but her body has never been found! She was a victim of domestic violence for years and her life was threatened on many occasions (in my and my 4 yr old sister's precense). She had an order of protection against him and was already in the process of leaving. The night she "disappeared" - Feb 23, 1991 - she had just come back from an interview for a second job. He started an arguement with her and she put us to bed - that was the last time I saw her! For years our small town police dept thought she "just left her rocky marriage" - despite all the domestic violence reports and 911 calls. I was 12 at the time  - to young to really understand, but old enough to know my mom would NOT leave my sister and I! Over the years I left IL - I had to get away from all of it - but now I'm back and my mom's case has never been "closed", it pisses me off that it's taken so long to arrest this ass. Since my mom, he's been married twice - his second wife "mysteriously" died, and his third wife (who is now in contact with the IL State Police) left him for "being to violent". He now has another girlfriend! How many women does he have to kill before anything is done! 

If anyone is curious - my mom's name is Vikki Vukelich! There's a few articles on line from when it hit the news in Feb ( I did interviews with the news channels on the anniversary of her disappearance, so people don't forget about her).  

Thanks for any advice or support - I need it! 

Why don't you contact Dr. Phil! Maybe he could tell you how to go about getting something done! It sounds as it didn't stop with your Mother. Have you talked to the police any lately? Have the any ideas or thoughts? Did they have any evedince on her murder? Did they come to your house after she was murdered? I watch Forensic Files all the time on the Court T.V. Channel and I bet if someone got nosey enough then they could find clues for her disappearence! I wouldn't give up! I'd call anyone and everyone! I mean it! He sounds as tho he's gonna do it again. What about Unsolved Mysteries. Maybe you could go on the show and tell your story and someone somewhere might know something! It's worth a try! I hope you get something done!  

 
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November 10, 2005, 8:42 am PST

been there done that.......time and time again

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Why don't you contact Dr. Phil! Maybe he could tell you how to go about getting something done! It sounds as it didn't stop with your Mother. Have you talked to the police any lately? Have the any ideas or thoughts? Did they have any evedince on her murder? Did they come to your house after she was murdered? I watch Forensic Files all the time on the Court T.V. Channel and I bet if someone got nosey enough then they could find clues for her disappearence! I wouldn't give up! I'd call anyone and everyone! I mean it! He sounds as tho he's gonna do it again. What about Unsolved Mysteries. Maybe you could go on the show and tell your story and someone somewhere might know something! It's worth a try! I hope you get something done!  

I watch all those shows too, and i think "why is my mom's case any different?" - and it's not. This whole case was screwed up for 5 yrs by the glenwwod police department. when the IL State Police finally took it over (and that took ALOT to get people to listen) - it was discovered that almost all the evidence had been "lost"!! Not only from my mom's case, but 5 other cases too. It took the IL State police 12 YEARS to finally search our home that she disappeared from! I personally think that the law inforcement is scared to death to solve this case - they have a BIG lawsuit on there hands - mis-handling of case evidence, shotty police work - you name it, they've screwed it up!! 

We've been on Oprah (long time ago), contacted unsolved mysteries, cold case files - nothing! I've contacted Dr.Phil and I guess I'm just waiting for a reply - I sent an email, maybe there's a number I could find - who know's!! 

I'll never give up - ever!! I just gotta try and find another avenue!! 

  

 
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November 10, 2005, 10:00 am PST

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My sister's husband of 33 years died on August 26 of this year after a 3 year battle with cancer.  The next week, the youngest 2 of her six children left for college, leaving her with empty nest as well, although they are home on weekends.  She and her husband were VERY  close.  Last week, she announced to her entire family that she has been seeing a widower for two weeks, and is planning on marrying within 1-3 months.  This man basically has been pursuing her since the day of her husband's funeral.  He came to the funeral, not knowing our family.  His daughter was acquainted with us.  He started calling and sending cards within days, asking her to go out.  She finally agreed, and it led to this.  Her children are devastated.  They haven't had time to deal with their own grief.  Neither has she.  We are all very worried that she is becoming quite depressed, and sees this as how to cope.  When our mother died, she had a difficult time coming to terms with it.  It took her 2-3 years to become herself again.  How can we talk to her, and get her to see she may need some counseling?  She has basically closed herself off to us in the last month or so.  We're all very concerned.  Help!  
 
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November 10, 2005, 8:28 pm PST

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Hi, 

My husband died 6 years ago this past June 11th. He had fought with cancer twice, and was only 44 years of age when he died.  

I am still grieving! And time does not help. I don't think i can ever get over it, it was just sooooo sooooo sad. And i am still depressed over it. We were married for 19 years. And i loved it. I just don't understand why i can't move on, or get over it???? 

and suggestions? 

  

 

 
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November 11, 2005, 12:21 pm PST

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My sister's husband of 33 years died on August 26 of this year after a 3 year battle with cancer.  The next week, the youngest 2 of her six children left for college, leaving her with empty nest as well, although they are home on weekends.  She and her husband were VERY  close.  Last week, she announced to her entire family that she has been seeing a widower for two weeks, and is planning on marrying within 1-3 months.  This man basically has been pursuing her since the day of her husband's funeral.  He came to the funeral, not knowing our family.  His daughter was acquainted with us.  He started calling and sending cards within days, asking her to go out.  She finally agreed, and it led to this.  Her children are devastated.  They haven't had time to deal with their own grief.  Neither has she.  We are all very worried that she is becoming quite depressed, and sees this as how to cope.  When our mother died, she had a difficult time coming to terms with it.  It took her 2-3 years to become herself again.  How can we talk to her, and get her to see she may need some counseling?  She has basically closed herself off to us in the last month or so.  We're all very concerned.  Help!  
My brother died in a car accident on May 1st of this year. He had only been married for 10 days to Jennifer before he died , but they were together 4 years and had 2 kids together. The NIGHT OF HIS FUNERAL, she was hanging all over our cousin(who's married). Rumor has it that they went further. She imediatly got several other boyfriends. When he died she wore his wedding ring on a chain around her neck. It hadn't even been two weeks after his death when she took it off because her new boyfriend didn't like it !!! She was moved in with the guy less than a month after the wreck. I don't care what anybody says, there's no excuse to act like that. They were newly weds. They had been together over 4 years. They had 2 kids together, plus she already had 2 that considered my brother their dad. They didn't have major problems . He never beat on her or anything like that. She was absolutly devistated when he died, for a few days that is. I could understand this if it was an abusive relationship, but this wasn't. When I read your post, my first thought was'I know what you mean'. But I sure don't know what to tell you. I don't get it either. Good luck to you on this.
 
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