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Is your friend or loved one making a serious error in judgment? Is he or she falling for or about to marry the wrong person? Christa thinks her husband, Matt, is having an emotional affair with their adopted 18-year-old daughter, Nadia. She says he even gave Nadia a private cell phone so just the two of them could talk. Matt feels that Christa is overreacting and has always been jealous. Is Matt just a doting father, or is he acting inappropriately with Nadia? Then, Jaime feels guilty for being in love with the man who killed her brother 12 years ago. The man is still in prison, but Jaime believes he's rehabilitated. Her family friend, Sue, says the affair needs to stop right now. Is Jaime's heart in the right place, or is she being conned? Share yur thoughts, join the discussion.

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September 15, 2006, 1:23 pm PDT

The woman is STUPID!

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I am fully aware of what I did...and by the way it is NOT against the law...It is against policy....a Big Difference....(If it was there would be a lot of C/O's in prison).I did know him causally on the outside..only by face, but it was enough to open the door. .It was against my better judgment...you know that feeling you get when every instinct tells you not to do it, but this person, who puts up such a front and tells you lies...you listen to that person and every thing that is presented to you as a"Model Inmate" was a farce.  BIG MISTAKE

I sincerely hope that you knew this person before he was incarcerated....and knew him well.  Like I said, I witnessed this normal everyday (inmate) behavior every day.. and like I said..you would be surprised and possibly shocked....It is like a different world inside a correctional facility, and the ones who appears to be an exception to rule are not..they are far more insidious.  Like I said if they play the officers-who are supposed to be hip to them...it is far easier to fool the general public-like these two ladies. 

I make no excuses for what I did...but that doesn't change a thing. I know what I know, and I know what I saw and I know what I experienced..  Why don't you arrange to take a tour of your nearest jail or prison to check it out.

I lost my job.not my life....It wasn't the losing of my job that bothered me..it was the experience that I went though with him that was the kicker...by the way he was in for drugs....THE WORST..and It was the shortest relationship I ever had...and most expensive.  Chalk it up to life's little experiences, but life goes on..

I hope that your loved one is just a first time offender, and not be a repeat offender....if he is then I wish you the best of luck.
 

I'am a sister of a murdered Brother and By God I would not give this IDIOT the time of day of my time.. He is conning you all the way to the commissary. Are you that STUPID? I think they should lock her up with the IDIOT!! That should be against the law. Your brother loved life..He would'nt want his sister with someone who took his life away whatsoever. Talk about forgiveness later..When you die.
 
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September 16, 2006, 11:28 am PDT

Nadia's Story

 

I think Dr. Phil was completely off the mark in his assesment of Matt.

 

Not only does he have an un natural attachment to his adopted daughter. But, I believe he has been grooming her. Lets look at his "bizarre" behavior. He would rather spend time with Nadia's friends than be with grown-ups, private cell phone, he tells her he loves her but he won't tell his wife, the lack of sex in his marriage, the tickling...I could go on. This man is grooming his child. Did anyone get a good look at the childs face? She had such a haunted look in her eye. She wants mom to protect  her. She gets nothing but hostility from her mother because her mother is jealous of her.

 

Dr Phil made this out to be about not knowing "boundaries". There is not a man out there that does not realize his "boundaries" with a female. In this case it was her dad.

I believe Nadia is afraid to tell her mom about the "relationship" with her father. I dont believe that it is just  emotional. I believe that he is having a physical relaitonship with Nadia.  

 

I say all these things because it happened to my own children. We were living with my mom and step-dad. Matt has a lot of the same behaviors that my step dad has/d

 

To those who say HOW could you LET this HAPPEN?? Gee...ya really think I wanted my children to be raped???  These things happened when I was at work and my step-father was home with my children during the day as he worked the night shift.  We thought he just cared about his grandchildren. He seemed so benevolent, He would take them to amusement parks, the zoo, to get ice cream. My husband and I thought it was great that they were close to their grandparents. We wanted that for them. WE did not have ANY idea that he was harming the kids.

My mother became a bit jealous of his doting on my oldest daughter. He made her think she was just being silly and a nagging wife. A lot like Matt made his wife feel.

 

Oh yeah the cell phone thing. That hit a nerve. My husband and I were getting back on our feet after some serious financial troubles. We each had a cell phone, but couldn't get one for my oldest daughter. We had to wait a year according to our cell phone plan. So my step dad bought her a phone for Christmas after my husband  told him that he would prefer him not to do that. So now he had a direct line to my daughter w/o our knowledge. How could we refuse??it was done out in the open and it was a gift. He pitted us against each other constantly so that we would be too busy fighting amongst ourselves to even look at what he was doing. He manipulated the situation perfectly.

 

We saw bizarre behavior and  but nothing that really made us think anything was off kilter.

As we began preparations to move out of the house, his behavior escalated to a point  of serious concern. The last straw for me was when he went to my daughters HS and told her then boyfriend that if he continued to see her he would kick his ass.

 

We had been out of the house for almost 2 years. My relationship with my mother and step  non-existent. After we moved out of the house they sold the house that they lived in and moved to another state. Their home state...born and raised.

 

In 2006 my youngest daughter hit us with the news that she had been raped repeatedly by this man. She also knew that my oldest daughter had been raped as well. Then there was even more. My son told us that he had been molested (fondled) by this man. My world crashed.  We went to the police and told the detective what happened he interviewed each of us and we were there for about 8 hours.  That next morning my step-dad was arrested. He was extradicted to the state where he committed his crimes. He was indicted on 19 seperate counts. 11 were first degree felony counts.

He has since plead guilty to 3 of those counts. The plea deal will give him 20 years in prison.

We are currently waiting for the sentencing hearing.

 

This guy Matt is a pedophile!! I see all the signs now. Some will think I am projecting, Watching that show was like watching what happened in my life. A guy, in good standing with the community. Church-going, clean cut, a "family guy". This is an illusion!!!

Nadia needs help and she needs it NOW!!!

 
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September 16, 2006, 7:04 pm PDT

Update

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There are all "babies" if your daughter is 30?!!! Now I come in peace to you with no kjudgement although your situation brings me to feeling very intensely that there is a huge lackk of love coming from far away somewhere in the family. Your daughter who throws herself, probably desperately or in "it just needs to happen of i'll die" type of thinking, or clicking, with a lot of passion into the arms of men who will make love to her... I grasp the state and would likek to tell you more. Ohhh my God, the other daughter, I think would be, you are right to not want to become the same as her mother... Better off sending out, with your loving support, and friendship, to a creative educational place or a resource group or etc. that she would love to evolve within for awhile... Now, your daughter, 30, 4 little lives, one other that comes from the ex infidelity, the one in her, god, she needs an ultimatum answer towards you. My suggestion and you are free to accept or not: Either she cuts this guy loose, give his mistresses baby back to him and get rid of his stuff, to start of project with your support, of building her self esteem back up and creating a very large resource group involving, researching for therapists, teachers, psychologists, sport trainers, voice coach, a teacher in canada, me haha, etc. to not have it all on the mothers' shoulders. The mother needs maybe to be there with limits though, that is what my intuition tells me. So it is either this project starts, like that and have the four kids in one structure no matter where they came from or Good bye and make it on your own, I am keeping your oldest daughter ( I presume here ) for education, re education. And maybe you too would benefit from some help psychologically to go through this and understand all your self and more at a deeper level. Please accept my sincere sympathy and infinite compassion. Synthia Borilekic from Montreal
Thanks for all your comments and advice. Someone asked what I was thinking. I was thinking I love my children and grandchildren. I was thinking that I could make their lives nicer. I was thinking I could afford to build them a house and so I did. However, I own it. She lives in it as a tenant. I don't support my daughter financially; I built a house for her and her kids. My granddaughter (the one who is living with me now) hasn't had any episodes of cutting or such since she moved in, but she completely, utterly and sincerely hates her mother. She is in counseling. I suspect that at some point it will come out that this guy my daughter had been associating with at some point sexually assaulted my granddaughter and that is where the hate is coming from. My daughter has never done anything like drugs or alcohol. She works and is attractive. I suppose there are many people in her age group who have casual sexual relationships but she gets pregnant and has babies as a result. And she chooses the worst possible partners. I pointed out to her today that the saddest part of all of this is that this poor little child-in-the-making is going to have an ex-con for a dad, and she will have to let that child go with him for weekends and summers, and she will have to watch that child suffer for her selfishness for the rest of life. You can't commit someone for making poor choices. You can't force an adult to go to counseling. In my fantasy world, the pregnancy would cease to exist, the man would disappear and my daughter would eagerly ask for and accept help in understanding her behavior. I can't make any of those things happen. Those are things SHE has to make happen - or not, as the case may be. The things I need support with are things that are within my power. I like Synthia's advice about a creative educational place or resource group for my granddaughter. We live in a very rural place so that might be a challenge but I think it's a great idea. Thanks again to all.
 
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September 17, 2006, 7:29 pm PDT

I fear you are right

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I think Dr. Phil was completely off the mark in his assesment of Matt.

 

Not only does he have an un natural attachment to his adopted daughter. But, I believe he has been grooming her. Lets look at his "bizarre" behavior. He would rather spend time with Nadia's friends than be with grown-ups, private cell phone, he tells her he loves her but he won't tell his wife, the lack of sex in his marriage, the tickling...I could go on. This man is grooming his child. Did anyone get a good look at the childs face? She had such a haunted look in her eye. She wants mom to protect  her. She gets nothing but hostility from her mother because her mother is jealous of her.

 

Dr Phil made this out to be about not knowing "boundaries". There is not a man out there that does not realize his "boundaries" with a female. In this case it was her dad.

I believe Nadia is afraid to tell her mom about the "relationship" with her father. I dont believe that it is just  emotional. I believe that he is having a physical relaitonship with Nadia.  

 

I say all these things because it happened to my own children. We were living with my mom and step-dad. Matt has a lot of the same behaviors that my step dad has/d

 

To those who say HOW could you LET this HAPPEN?? Gee...ya really think I wanted my children to be raped???  These things happened when I was at work and my step-father was home with my children during the day as he worked the night shift.  We thought he just cared about his grandchildren. He seemed so benevolent, He would take them to amusement parks, the zoo, to get ice cream. My husband and I thought it was great that they were close to their grandparents. We wanted that for them. WE did not have ANY idea that he was harming the kids.

My mother became a bit jealous of his doting on my oldest daughter. He made her think she was just being silly and a nagging wife. A lot like Matt made his wife feel.

 

Oh yeah the cell phone thing. That hit a nerve. My husband and I were getting back on our feet after some serious financial troubles. We each had a cell phone, but couldn't get one for my oldest daughter. We had to wait a year according to our cell phone plan. So my step dad bought her a phone for Christmas after my husband  told him that he would prefer him not to do that. So now he had a direct line to my daughter w/o our knowledge. How could we refuse??it was done out in the open and it was a gift. He pitted us against each other constantly so that we would be too busy fighting amongst ourselves to even look at what he was doing. He manipulated the situation perfectly.

 

We saw bizarre behavior and  but nothing that really made us think anything was off kilter.

As we began preparations to move out of the house, his behavior escalated to a point  of serious concern. The last straw for me was when he went to my daughters HS and told her then boyfriend that if he continued to see her he would kick his ass.

 

We had been out of the house for almost 2 years. My relationship with my mother and step  non-existent. After we moved out of the house they sold the house that they lived in and moved to another state. Their home state...born and raised.

 

In 2006 my youngest daughter hit us with the news that she had been raped repeatedly by this man. She also knew that my oldest daughter had been raped as well. Then there was even more. My son told us that he had been molested (fondled) by this man. My world crashed.  We went to the police and told the detective what happened he interviewed each of us and we were there for about 8 hours.  That next morning my step-dad was arrested. He was extradicted to the state where he committed his crimes. He was indicted on 19 seperate counts. 11 were first degree felony counts.

He has since plead guilty to 3 of those counts. The plea deal will give him 20 years in prison.

We are currently waiting for the sentencing hearing.

 

This guy Matt is a pedophile!! I see all the signs now. Some will think I am projecting, Watching that show was like watching what happened in my life. A guy, in good standing with the community. Church-going, clean cut, a "family guy". This is an illusion!!!

Nadia needs help and she needs it NOW!!!

I fear you are right but hope you are wrong.  I thought the same thing that the man was a little bit too obsessed with his adopted daughter. He probably feels that since they are not connected by DNA it is alright to do it with Nadia.  Kind of like a Woody Allen type of thing.
 
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September 18, 2006, 7:44 am PDT

He's so transparent

Christa,

I think it's time to get up and go.  I believe you have known this for a long time.  The love does not appear to be there anymore, Matt may say so but his actions DO NOT back up his statements.  His parenting techniques are quite creepy, I would guess most dads out there do not exhibit the behavior Matt does.  Matt is insulting our intelligence if he thinks the public is going to believe his load of poop.  Christa, your children are yours to protect.  Get Nadia some couseling.  How many children out there are furious with one of their parents for not protecting them against a predator (who appear to be a loving family member). 

 

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September 20, 2006, 7:38 pm PDT

I think It is a slap in your families face

When I first meet my boy-friend he was the best. Was hard working , loving, took good care of me, was my everything I thought where has he been all my life. Well he is still all those things. I found out much later that he had been afraid to tell me about his past life for fear that I would leave him. Well he had been in prison and has a record. BUT I did not ever know that side of him and could not even believe that he did those things. He did not kill anyone. So having said that. Dr. Phil is sooooooo right (but he knew that hehhe) You dont know this guy and he probably is just doing a con job on you. What a slap in your mom's face to even think about being in love with this guy. Guys tell women enough lies when they are in the free world that when they are lockedup they will say and do anything to get out. He is having the last laugh on you and your family. Forgive him yes (I guess) BUT want a relationship with him NO!!! Your brother is probably turning over in his grave.

 

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September 22, 2006, 6:07 am PDT

Jaime must be nuts

Jaime is obviously lacking in something.in her self esteem.  She must feel that she cannot find anyone to love.  Here is this murderer in jail and he can't go anywhere so why not con her.  If he could murder once he could do it again.  I would be afraid to be anywhere near this guy when and if he is released. 
 
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September 23, 2006, 3:52 pm PDT

We Must Protect Ourselves

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I am the gradmother of two small children who's father was murdered by his 15 year old son, the half brother to my two little charges.  Yes, he says he has gotten religion like all cons, but in the next breath he says he wants a relationship with his half brother and sister, and when he gets out in December (now he is 21) he is coming to have that relationship.  I am very nervous, and scared, but my husband feels he will not come.  For the past five years that he has been in jail he has constantly dragged us into court (which costs us money for attorneys while he does this for no cost)_ for various reasons such as visitation to the children, charged us with sexual abuse of the children,  wants his fathers estate, which there was none of because of all the debt, and numerous other charges, all of which he has lost.  These people on your show who's son and brother was killed, really ought to think twice.  I would give anything not to have to worry about this character getting out of jail.  It seems he has all the rights, we have none.  My husband and I are 65 and 60 respectively, the children are 8 and 10.  We have had them for seven years, which is not an easy feat at our ages.  There should be something people could do to get relief from these jailhouse lawyers.  Even though we have restraint orders, they are just paper and he has already told us it dosen't matter to him, he is coming, and I believe him.  I don't know what he has turned into from a 15 year old kid to a 21 year old man -- really I don't want to find out.  Dr. Phil -- take up the cause to protect people from inmates like this.

 

Carol

Carol,

I hear you loud and clear. My name is Kathy, I understand your fears of this person and would like to add that if he killed his own father, I would not even trust the wind that blow in with his sint. The only thing I can possibly tell you is to protect your household as best you can and ask for a police watch order once he is released. Sounds like he could be some demon or something. If he's telling you he will come to your house without asking your permission and, constantly taking you to court for anything bogus that he can think of then I say you and your husband get in contact with a young police officer and explain to him your situation. Young, but a veteran on the police force as you would want everything to go in your favor. Do all you can to protect yourselves and those children. Who knows, He may want to hurt them! If you have any letters that he has sent you from the jail with any threats, give a copy of that to the police department in you local area. Don't you or your husband try to stand up to this person, He's young and probably has a whole lot of strength. Just do yourselves a favor, stay 5 steps ahead of his actions and even if he comes and the police does not make it to your house in time, they have all the evidence that this man had negative intentions toward you and your husband and your grandchildren. And Dont Forget to Pray Carol, You and Your Husband it will work out for the best! God Bless All of You!

 
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September 29, 2006, 2:40 am PDT

09/11 Biggest Love Mistakes

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WOW!!  Watching your show about the husband having an emotional affair with the adopted daughter.  My husband recently confessed to me that he had a sexual affair with our 19 year old adopted daughter that lasted for a year.  The adoption finaled one week before she turned 18.  He says it was just sex.  He left our bed to have her and for 10 months of that affair, he didn't touch me.  No hug, no hand holding, no hand on the shoulder.  He did all he could to avoid us even bumping into each other.  She lived here and still would as that was what he wanted.  But, 5 weeks after he told me, he told her to leave.  I think she thought he would have me leave and not her.  He wouldn't allow me to tell her that I knew.  He gave her the password to all our bank accounts.  I didn't have that.  She knew more about our business than I did.  He would never let us talk in private.  She always had to be in the room, no matter how many times I asked him to keep our business just between us.

I talked to my Mother-in-Law and my Aunt and Uncle.  All three say that we need to stay together for the sake of the children.  We have 4 other adopted children that we adopted at birth.  Ages 8,8,6, and 4.  We have been married 27 years.  I am 56 and he just turned 50.  I love the Lord and husband now says that he turned his back on God but, has repented.  He says he confessed all but, I caught him in a lie a few days ago.  He says he has confessed so now we need to get on with life.  He says he wants me now.  That's new.  He didn't want me even on the honeymoon.  Three days we spent at the mall and even entertained his cousin at our motel room.  He says he had a sexual addiction but, is now delivered.

I think my life is over.  My husband and I are CC and 2 of our children are AA and two are mixed.  Husband says I deserve better than him.  So do my friends.  If we didn't have the children....If is a big word.  Have any suggestions?  It would be nice to know someone loved me before I died but, I am not very hopeful on that score. 

I don't agree that you "need to stay together for the sake of the children".  In fact, staying in a marriage that isn't healthy may be detrimental to your children.  Also, there are many other forms of love that don't need to come from a man . . . the one you need to be searching for is the love for yourself.  Just because these things happened in your life does not mean that you are not lovable or worthy of love.  Don't let this relationship define who you are.
 
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September 30, 2006, 10:09 am PDT

Let's not be so quick to judge

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I know this family and both need help.

I know this family too.  Lori and I go way back, out friendship began in junior high.

 

I know all the circumstances about Jamie and Abidon, and I don't think a  half hour segment on the Dr. Phil show did them any favors. It got them a lot of criticism, that they don't deserve.

 

Lori hasn't exactly been dealt a great hand in life and if they could have let her explain a little more I think everyone would understand what's going on.

 

Hey, we all need help in some part of our lives....Everyone one of us has to deal with something that seems "crazy".

 

Unfortunately, Loris only son was murdered in cold blood.  Imagine that phone call.  Mikey was a beautiful child, and a good young man. He may have gotten caught up in something that we all dread for our children, but Lori stood behind him, as she stands behind Jamie. What mother wants to lose her last remaining child???

 

If she had been given the chance, you would have heard her say she DOESN'T want Jamie to end up with Abidon, but that  didn't happen. 

 

I know that Lori is a good person.  She did her best in raising her children, they were always her first concern.  What our children do as adults is totally out of our hands. All we can do is pray that they make the right decision and try to lead them that way.

 

Jamie has made a huge turn around in her life, leave her alone. She's got her head together. I give Lori a lot of credit, she's a strong woman.  She faced Abidon and forgave  him, I don't know if i could have done it.

 

And as far as Lori and Jamie convincing the parole Board to let him out?? He's eligible for parole in December and if the parole board thinks he's ready to go, he's gonna be paroled no matter how many letters they get, against it or for it.

 

Dr. Phil, I really think that this would be a candidate for an update .

 

 
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