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October 24, 2006, 1:41 pm PDT

Rose

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I can't beleive how much better I feel after having chatted with all of you this morning. I was actually ready to just give up. Thank you all so much for your incredible support. I ordered a ton of books: The emotinally abused woman

Angry men, passive men

The emotionally abusive relationship

Living with the passive-aggressive man

Why is it always about you?

Emotional unavailability

In sheep's clothing

Controlling people

Any other suggestions. I think I will be busy reading for a while.

Love,

Rose

I am looking into

 

Why is it always about you?

Contrlling people-

 

(Thanks by the way)

 

I saw this on another site -  I am looking into this as well-

 

Toxic parents- By Susan Forward-

 

I am glad I helped you even in some small way!  SMILE!

 
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October 24, 2006, 1:43 pm PDT

thank you-my friend

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websites                          

www.youarenotcrazy.com                          

www.dririene.com                          

www.abnet.org                          

www.womenslaw.org                          

www.acadv.org                          

www.leavingabuse.com                          

www.ndvh.org                          

www.actabuse.com                          

www.verbalabuse.com                          

www.lilaclane.com                          

www.womanabuseprevention.com                          

www.stopthehurt.com                          

www.healthyplace.com                          

www.drjoecarver.com                          

www.endabuse.org                          

www.domesticviolence.org                          

www.joy2meu.com                          

www.silcom.com/paladin/madv/                          

www.hotpeachpages.net 

http://www.heart-2-heart.ca/women/hope.html

                           

books                          

"Co-dependant no more" by Melody Beattie                          

"why does he do that?  Inside the minds of angry & controlling men", "The batterer as a parent", & "When daddy hurts mommy" by Lundy Bancroft (also www.lundybancroft.com)                          

"the emotionally abusive relationship" & "Breaking the cycle"  by Beverly Engel (also www.beverlyengel.com)                          

"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward                          

"The verbally abusive realationship" & "Controlling people"  by Patrice Evans                          

"Dangerous realtionships" by Noelle Nelson, PhD                          

"It's my life now:starting over after an abusive relationship" by Meg Kennedy Dugan & Roger Hock                          

"No visible wounds" by Mary Susan Miller PhD                          

                           

The national domestic violence hotline: 1-800-799-SAFE (7233)

I know it was not easy to go back and find the list-I am copying it right now-

Thank you, E

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October 24, 2006, 3:17 pm PDT

I would like to...

 Thank you again, Q, for your 2 awesome posts.  It is so wonderful that you are finslly understanding what I have been saying all this time & why I have been saying it.  One more thing that I feel it necessary to point out, though; when you feel, as I do,  as though you are living with 2 abusers rather than just one, the only thing that naturally comes to a victim's mind is how to get it through the abusers' heads that the abuse will not be tolerated anymore.  I think that the other reason that I am stuck on the idea on my father getting help before I do ANY serious work on myself is because of another passage in "Why Does He Do That".  Lundy mentions a possible scenario in which an abuser says, after someone presses him to see what he has done,  "She has turned you against me!"  To which the person says, and I am quoting this verbatim, "I am not against you, I am against your hurtful behavior.  I am not saying that she is right about every issue between the two of you, what I AM saying is that you will never be able to work out these other issues until you first deal with your abuse problem.  As long as you keep bullying her, YOU are the number one probem"  I realize that he stresses healing not being dependant on the abuser's progress, but I can't help but wonder if even he would agree, taking the extreme denial of the other members of my family into account, that the first move has to be Dad getting into the program & showing significant change.  Remember, Q, the abuser as partner/husband and the abuser as role model are dynamics that REQUIRE different approaches to dealing with them.  This is because the abuser as a parent serves as a ROLE MODEL FOR HIS CHILDREN!, and sometimes the only way that a family can truly flourish is for the role model to make the first move.  And i'm sorry, but I still believe abuse and recovery from it to be one of those cases.
 
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October 24, 2006, 8:48 pm PDT

is this normal?

i've been married for over 25 years. i feel kinda dumb asking this after all these years- but this stuff has been escalating lately and i can't take it anymore.

 

my husband drinks almost every nite- at least 5 beers, sometimes wine- by the water glass. he's been drinking every nite for about 16 years but his drinking has gotten particularly worse/heavier in the past 3 years. he used to be what he refered to as a "happy drunk". he still thinks he is and doesn't think he has a problem with the amount he drinks. i've found that he is far from happy- a lot of times he's down right mean. he likes to slap my backside with the tips of his fingers-so it stings, everytime i'm near him. he also swats my hair when he walks behind me. he also grabs my breasts and squeeses till i yell. sometimes he grabs my arm or leg so hard it leaves a small bruise. when i tell him not to do these things, he gets defensive and tells me i'm a whiny baby and a big mouth.

 

we rarely have sex because i'm so mad at him i can't stand to be touched. he's always gripping about that too. i can't seem to get it across to him that i'm not a switch that can be turned on at will. i need nice attention, to be treated like a valuable intelligent worthwhile human.

 

i don't have anyone to turn to about this- no family, few friends (he gets jealous if i spend any time with anyone- including talking on the phone). i've lost my perspective on reality. he keeps telling me that i'm the abusive one and that my temper is out of control. years ago he said if i tried to leave him, he would destroy me and take our kids from me. he tells me the kids are afraid of me and my temper. yet its him they don't talk to, they come to me with thier joys, worries and sorrows. they don't like his drinking either and stay away when they can tell he's been drinking.

 

i wish i could leave but i don't have a full time job and can't afford to support myself or my kids. i'm also really confused because sometimes i believe the things he tells me- that i have problems and he puts up with so much from me.

 

am i imagining that he has a drinking problem or is it normal to drink so much. he says i'm a drama queen. and is there something wrong with me that i don't appreciate him and hte way he acts toward me?

 
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October 25, 2006, 4:48 am PDT

Abuse

"Controllers fear being wrong and being inferior.  Hence they need to be right and to win."~~Controlling People by Patrica evans
 

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October 25, 2006, 6:08 am PDT

some websites and books

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i've been married for over 25 years. i feel kinda dumb asking this after all these years- but this stuff has been escalating lately and i can't take it anymore.

 

my husband drinks almost every nite- at least 5 beers, sometimes wine- by the water glass. he's been drinking every nite for about 16 years but his drinking has gotten particularly worse/heavier in the past 3 years. he used to be what he refered to as a "happy drunk". he still thinks he is and doesn't think he has a problem with the amount he drinks. i've found that he is far from happy- a lot of times he's down right mean. he likes to slap my backside with the tips of his fingers-so it stings, everytime i'm near him. he also swats my hair when he walks behind me. he also grabs my breasts and squeeses till i yell. sometimes he grabs my arm or leg so hard it leaves a small bruise. when i tell him not to do these things, he gets defensive and tells me i'm a whiny baby and a big mouth.

 

we rarely have sex because i'm so mad at him i can't stand to be touched. he's always gripping about that too. i can't seem to get it across to him that i'm not a switch that can be turned on at will. i need nice attention, to be treated like a valuable intelligent worthwhile human.

 

i don't have anyone to turn to about this- no family, few friends (he gets jealous if i spend any time with anyone- including talking on the phone). i've lost my perspective on reality. he keeps telling me that i'm the abusive one and that my temper is out of control. years ago he said if i tried to leave him, he would destroy me and take our kids from me. he tells me the kids are afraid of me and my temper. yet its him they don't talk to, they come to me with thier joys, worries and sorrows. they don't like his drinking either and stay away when they can tell he's been drinking.

 

i wish i could leave but i don't have a full time job and can't afford to support myself or my kids. i'm also really confused because sometimes i believe the things he tells me- that i have problems and he puts up with so much from me.

 

am i imagining that he has a drinking problem or is it normal to drink so much. he says i'm a drama queen. and is there something wrong with me that i don't appreciate him and hte way he acts toward me?

websites                          

www.youarenotcrazy.com                          

www.dririene.com                          

www.abnet.org                          

www.womenslaw.org                          

www.acadv.org                          

www.leavingabuse.com                          

www.ndvh.org                          

www.actabuse.com                          

www.verbalabuse.com                          

www.lilaclane.com                          

www.womanabuseprevention.com                          

www.stopthehurt.com                          

www.healthyplace.com                          

www.drjoecarver.com                          

www.endabuse.org                          

www.domesticviolence.org                          

www.joy2meu.com                          

www.silcom.com/paladin/madv/                          

www.hotpeachpages.net 

http://www.heart-2-heart.ca/women/hope.html

                           

books                          

"Co-dependant no more" by Melody Beattie                          

"why does he do that?  Inside the minds of angry & controlling men", "The batterer as a parent", & "When daddy hurts mommy" by Lundy Bancroft (also www.lundybancroft.com)                          

"the emotionally abusive relationship" & "Breaking the cycle"  by Beverly Engel (also www.beverlyengel.com)                          

"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward                          

"The verbally abusive realationship" & "Controlling people"  by Patrice Evans                          

"Dangerous realtionships" by Noelle Nelson, PhD                          

"It's my life now:starting over after an abusive relationship" by Meg Kennedy Dugan & Roger Hock                          

"No visible wounds" by Mary Susan Miller PhD                          

                           

The national domestic violence hotline: 1-800-799-SAFE (7233)

 

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October 25, 2006, 6:10 am PDT

no it is not normal

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i've been married for over 25 years. i feel kinda dumb asking this after all these years- but this stuff has been escalating lately and i can't take it anymore.

 

my husband drinks almost every nite- at least 5 beers, sometimes wine- by the water glass. he's been drinking every nite for about 16 years but his drinking has gotten particularly worse/heavier in the past 3 years. he used to be what he refered to as a "happy drunk". he still thinks he is and doesn't think he has a problem with the amount he drinks. i've found that he is far from happy- a lot of times he's down right mean. he likes to slap my backside with the tips of his fingers-so it stings, everytime i'm near him. he also swats my hair when he walks behind me. he also grabs my breasts and squeeses till i yell. sometimes he grabs my arm or leg so hard it leaves a small bruise. when i tell him not to do these things, he gets defensive and tells me i'm a whiny baby and a big mouth.

 

we rarely have sex because i'm so mad at him i can't stand to be touched. he's always gripping about that too. i can't seem to get it across to him that i'm not a switch that can be turned on at will. i need nice attention, to be treated like a valuable intelligent worthwhile human.

 

i don't have anyone to turn to about this- no family, few friends (he gets jealous if i spend any time with anyone- including talking on the phone). i've lost my perspective on reality. he keeps telling me that i'm the abusive one and that my temper is out of control. years ago he said if i tried to leave him, he would destroy me and take our kids from me. he tells me the kids are afraid of me and my temper. yet its him they don't talk to, they come to me with thier joys, worries and sorrows. they don't like his drinking either and stay away when they can tell he's been drinking.

 

i wish i could leave but i don't have a full time job and can't afford to support myself or my kids. i'm also really confused because sometimes i believe the things he tells me- that i have problems and he puts up with so much from me.

 

am i imagining that he has a drinking problem or is it normal to drink so much. he says i'm a drama queen. and is there something wrong with me that i don't appreciate him and hte way he acts toward me?

It is not normal.  It does sound like he does have a drinking problem.  You need to start educating yourself on alcohol abuse and start to learn you do have options.  The more you learn the stonger you will get.  There is alot of caring people on this board here to help.

 

Welcome to the Board!!!

 

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October 25, 2006, 6:13 am PDT

Some MYTHS about ABUSERS, BATTERERS

Here are some myths about batterers, abusers.

 

THEY ARE OUT OF CONTROL...NOT ! 

 

The abuser is actually in control.  The abuser decided who to abuse. When to abuse, and where.....the parts of the body to abuse and batter, the length and severity of the episode.  The batterer may remove rings, or a belt as a signal or threaten that he is going to do something and when.

 

A MYTH ...POOR ANGER CONTROL

 

This feeds into the wrong belief of a crime of passion.  In fact, many batterers and abusers calmly plan violent incidents,  Most abusers are able to control themselves with their emotions on the job, with friends, in court and when dealing with the police.

 

A MYTH...STRESS

 

Abusers and Batterers do NOT experience more stress than non-abusers do.  They CHOOSE to deal with the stress abusively or violently.  Abusers and Batterers believe that they have the right to CONTROL and GET THEIR WAY.

 

ANOTHER POSSIBLE MYTH...LOW SELF-ESTEEM

 

Many Batterers do NOT differ from non-abusers in their level of self esteem.  The difference lies in the abusers belief system regarding Women and Children. It is the permission they give themselves to hurt and control other people.

 

A MYTH...SUBSTANCE ABUSE CAUSES ABUSE

 

Getting sober and getting into a program does NOT stop the abuse or violence. In addition being a recovering addict or alcoholic may be used to sidestep responsibility for the abusive behavior.  Substance abuse is another way for an abuser not to be held accountable.  Getting sober is just the first step in dealing with the underlying issues of power and control.

 

A MYTH...POOR COMMUNICATION SKILLS

 

This myth is grounded in the fact that the abuser wouldn't abuse if their  needs were being met. This is a form of victim blaming. Abusers demand that their needs be met before the needs of all others.  For their safety, the victims learn to read subtle non-verbal communications well.  Even when the victims meet the needs of the abuser, the abusers continue to abuse.

 

A MYTH...BATTERING OR ABUSE IS PROVOKED OR ENJOYED BY THE VICTIMS

 

Battering and other abuses are degrading and humiliating.  No behavior on the part of the victim ever justifies abuse or battering. No behavior of the victim can change or alter the batterers or abusers decision to abuse or batter.

 

A MYTH...BATTERERS NEED TO LEARN NON-VIOLENCE

 

Batterers KNOW non-violence.  Their problem is not their ability to resolve conflict non-violently.....but their unwillingness to do so.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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October 25, 2006, 6:14 am PDT

search engine

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i've been married for over 25 years. i feel kinda dumb asking this after all these years- but this stuff has been escalating lately and i can't take it anymore.

 

my husband drinks almost every nite- at least 5 beers, sometimes wine- by the water glass. he's been drinking every nite for about 16 years but his drinking has gotten particularly worse/heavier in the past 3 years. he used to be what he refered to as a "happy drunk". he still thinks he is and doesn't think he has a problem with the amount he drinks. i've found that he is far from happy- a lot of times he's down right mean. he likes to slap my backside with the tips of his fingers-so it stings, everytime i'm near him. he also swats my hair when he walks behind me. he also grabs my breasts and squeeses till i yell. sometimes he grabs my arm or leg so hard it leaves a small bruise. when i tell him not to do these things, he gets defensive and tells me i'm a whiny baby and a big mouth.

 

we rarely have sex because i'm so mad at him i can't stand to be touched. he's always gripping about that too. i can't seem to get it across to him that i'm not a switch that can be turned on at will. i need nice attention, to be treated like a valuable intelligent worthwhile human.

 

i don't have anyone to turn to about this- no family, few friends (he gets jealous if i spend any time with anyone- including talking on the phone). i've lost my perspective on reality. he keeps telling me that i'm the abusive one and that my temper is out of control. years ago he said if i tried to leave him, he would destroy me and take our kids from me. he tells me the kids are afraid of me and my temper. yet its him they don't talk to, they come to me with thier joys, worries and sorrows. they don't like his drinking either and stay away when they can tell he's been drinking.

 

i wish i could leave but i don't have a full time job and can't afford to support myself or my kids. i'm also really confused because sometimes i believe the things he tells me- that i have problems and he puts up with so much from me.

 

am i imagining that he has a drinking problem or is it normal to drink so much. he says i'm a drama queen. and is there something wrong with me that i don't appreciate him and hte way he acts toward me?

If you type alcohol abuse in your search on your computer it gives you different websites as well.  One I found that looks good is this one  

 

http://familydoctor.org/755.xml

 

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October 25, 2006, 6:39 am PDT

This is NOT normal ....some major deal breakers here

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i've been married for over 25 years. i feel kinda dumb asking this after all these years- but this stuff has been escalating lately and i can't take it anymore.

 

my husband drinks almost every nite- at least 5 beers, sometimes wine- by the water glass. he's been drinking every nite for about 16 years but his drinking has gotten particularly worse/heavier in the past 3 years. he used to be what he refered to as a "happy drunk". he still thinks he is and doesn't think he has a problem with the amount he drinks. i've found that he is far from happy- a lot of times he's down right mean. he likes to slap my backside with the tips of his fingers-so it stings, everytime i'm near him. he also swats my hair when he walks behind me. he also grabs my breasts and squeeses till i yell. sometimes he grabs my arm or leg so hard it leaves a small bruise. when i tell him not to do these things, he gets defensive and tells me i'm a whiny baby and a big mouth.

 

we rarely have sex because i'm so mad at him i can't stand to be touched. he's always gripping about that too. i can't seem to get it across to him that i'm not a switch that can be turned on at will. i need nice attention, to be treated like a valuable intelligent worthwhile human.

 

i don't have anyone to turn to about this- no family, few friends (he gets jealous if i spend any time with anyone- including talking on the phone). i've lost my perspective on reality. he keeps telling me that i'm the abusive one and that my temper is out of control. years ago he said if i tried to leave him, he would destroy me and take our kids from me. he tells me the kids are afraid of me and my temper. yet its him they don't talk to, they come to me with thier joys, worries and sorrows. they don't like his drinking either and stay away when they can tell he's been drinking.

 

i wish i could leave but i don't have a full time job and can't afford to support myself or my kids. i'm also really confused because sometimes i believe the things he tells me- that i have problems and he puts up with so much from me.

 

am i imagining that he has a drinking problem or is it normal to drink so much. he says i'm a drama queen. and is there something wrong with me that i don't appreciate him and hte way he acts toward me?

First off, welcome to the board.

 

You will find good support and great help from caring women here.

 

Welcome.

 

From what you have written here of your life.....there are some major deal breakers happening.

 

Are you ready for the blunt version?

 

If so......here goes.

 

YOUR HUSBAND IS AN ALCOHOLIC.    And he has been for years.   There is NO such thing as a "happy drunk."

 

HE DOESN'T SEE THAT HE IS AN ALCOHOLIC, THUS THE DENIAL OF HIS REAL PROBLEM WITH ALCOHOL.

 

ALCOHOL IS A DEPRESSANT.

 

YOUR HUSBAND IS ALSO ABUSIVE.    HE IS PHYSICALLY ABUSING YOU WITH THE SLAPS, THE SWATS, THE GRABBING OF YOUR BREASTS, AND THE SQUEEZES OF YOUR BREASTS.  The grabbing of your arms and legs is also abuse....physical abuse.

 

YOUR HUSBAND IS ALSO EMOTIONALLY ABUSING YOU.

 

HIS CONTROL OVER YOUR PHONE CALLS, AND WHO YOU SPEND TIME WITH IS ABUSE AND A WAY THAT HE ISOLATES YOU FROM OTHER PEOPLE.    Thus removing your support system or your reality checks with the "outside" world.

 

HE HAS THREATENED TO DESTROY YOU............and HE HAS THREATENED TO TAKE THE KIDS FROM YOU........ABUSE, USING THE KIDS TO ABUSE YOU , TOO.

 

Your husband is projecting his problems on to you......and you are believing him......he is lying to you......attempting to brainwash you.

 

Your children are living with an alcoholic  and an abusive father.    A very bad role model for them.

 

Has your husband succeeded in brainwashing you.......are you really believing him and his lies and abusive statements and labels?

 

None of this is NORMAL.............you are NOT imagining any of this........you are an intelligent women and YOU ARE NOT TO QUESTION YOURSELF.....YOUR INSTINCTS AND INTUITION.

 

Your children rely on YOU, they are depending on YOU.   

 

You are NOT a drama queen.............your husband is denying, minimizing and justifying his choices and behavior and he is WRONG.

 

Well, brief and blunt......I can elaborate further if you would like.

 

Are you reading the other informational posts that have occurred in the last few days?   How much of the board have you read?

 

Come back and discuss this some more......others will have plenty to say.

 

Take care.

 

 

 

 

 
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