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May 28, 2007, 9:29 am PDT

Abuse

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Your husband sounds just like mine- it's eery.  I'd be VERY careful if I were you.  It gets worse-much worse after the baby comes.  Trust me on this.
 Really? How did it get worse for you?? How do they sound the same??
 

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May 28, 2007, 10:17 am PDT

Do you recognize any of this ?

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Emotional Blackmail.  

   

Punishers  let you know exactly what they want--and the consequences you face if you don't give it to them.  

   

Self-Punishers turn the threats inward, telling you what they'll do themselves if you don't give in.  

   

Sufferers are talented blamers and guilt-peddlers who make us figure out what they want and then conclude that it is up to us to ensure they get it.  

   

Tantalizers put us through a series of tests and hold out a promise of something wonderful if we'll just give them their way.  

   

   

 
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May 28, 2007, 10:20 am PDT

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 No post today.  I just wanted to wish you all a happy, healthy & above all, SAFE Memorial Day.  I'll be back online tommorow.  Figuritout, I have not forgotten about you, I just don't consider it safe to post at length this weekend as Dad has the weekend and Memorial Day off.  Catch you all tomorrow.
 

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May 28, 2007, 10:20 am PDT

Fear, what lies beyond ?

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Fear of change.  

   

   

Firm in a decision to leave, but dreaded what lay ahead for her.  

   

I'm afraid , Susan.  I'm afraid to be a divorced woman out in the world again.  I'm afraid of the pain and the grief.  I'm afraid of the uncertainty.  I'm afraid of starting over.  

   

I'm afraid I won't know how to make my kids feel safe and secure when its just me and them.  

   

I'm afraid of what people will say...will think.....that it was my failure, that I had everything and I blew it.  

   

There's such a temptation to call the divorce off and go back to my familiar unhappiness--at least I know how to do that.  

   

Cutting through the FOG.  

   

   

   

   

Emotional Blackmail   Dr. Susan Forward, PH.D with Donna Frazier  

 

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May 28, 2007, 10:26 am PDT

Misconceptions about abusers and substance abuse

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Misconceptions about batterers and substance abuse.

 

 Substance Abuse

 

The Batterer as Parent --- The Battering Problem

 

 

We believe that the available research on batterers and substance abuse indicates that the overlap between the two is NOT as great as many people have assumed.

 

Most incidents of Domestic Violence take place without the use of alcohol by the batterer and roughly 80 %  of alcohol abusing men do not beat or batterer their partners (Kaufman Kantor & Straus, 1990)

 

Alcohol and most drugs do NOT have physiological effects that cause violence in those who believe that it will do so (Gelles, 1993)  A large portion of our clients, including some who are highly physically violent show no signs of substance abuse (see also Zubretsky & Digirolamo, 1996) and those clients who do have addiction problems commit serious acts of abuse even when sober.

 

In cases where a battered partner reports that the man is violent ONLY when drinking, upon further questioning usually reveals that lower-level violence such as pushing and threatening has happened at other times...without substance.

 

Moreover any increases in violence associated with substance abuse should still be understood as a matter of choice:  Our clients admit to us that they give themselves more permission to be violent when intoxicated (see also Edleson & Tolman, 1992) and reveal similar attitudes and decision-making processes regarding their violence whether or not  they are under the influence.

 

Similar observations have also been made regarding lesbian batterers. Thus the particular constellation of attitudes and behaviors that typically accompanies battering cannot reasonably be attributed to an alcohol problem. (for similar conclusions, see Zubretsky & Digirolamo, 1996)

 

The impact on battering behavior of recovery from addiction is mixed. A fairly small but significant number of our clients become more dangerous and dictatorial when they stop abusing the substance, apparently because of their increased ability to closely monitor their partners behavior and their increased irritability. 

 

We have observed another group of abusers who exhibit a period of substantial reduction in violence during roughly their first 4-12 months of sobriety, but as the batterer reaches a point of feeling more secure in his recovery and therefore less consumed by it, his abusive behavior tends to reemerge.

 

Indeed certain concepts that batterers learn in 12 step programs sometimes BECOME NEW WEAPONS integrated into their systems of verbal abuse..such as accusing their partner of "being in denial" about her own problems or labeling her "CODEPENDENT."

 

Clients in a final group, again FAIRLY SMALL, do appear to make lasting changes in battering behavior following recovery from addiction.  However it is important to note that these are men who have been participating simultaneously in a specialized batterer program with a minimum duration of 11 months.

 

Reports of long-term improvements in overall abusiveness coming from addiction recovery alone are RARE  (Bennett, 1995) and professionals should avoid suggesting to the family members of a batterer or to the batterer himself that his recovery will increase physical or psychological safety in the home.

 

Although substance abuse is not CAUSAL in Domestic Violence, it can contribute to a batterers frequency and severity of violence (Bennett 1995) and the most dangerous batterers have elevated rates of heavy substance abuse.  (Websdale 1999; Campbell 1995)  Substance abuse history is thus one important factor in risk assessment.

 

LUNDY BANCROFT

JAY G. SILVERMAN

 

THE BATTERER as PARENT ----- Addressing the Impact of Domestic Violence on Family Dynamics

 

With a Foreword by Peter Jaffe, Ph.D.

 

 

 

 

 

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May 28, 2007, 10:29 am PDT

From the good doc

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Quote from Dr. Phil

 

In relationships there are just some things that are just drop-dead deal-breakers. They're just deal breakers. Drug addiction. Alcoholism. Mental, physical, verbal abuse. Those are deal-breakers. You don't stay in a relationship in that situation. And you don't return to a relationship in that situation unless and until an independent, objective, trained professional tells you it is safe to do so. That you can predict that this is going to be different than it was before.

 

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May 28, 2007, 10:36 am PDT

an old post in response to mandalyn

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all alcoholics say "they can stop anytime"  not so.   

   

as proof, he stopped for 3 months......BUT and thats a big BUT .....he went back to it.....the alcohol.    

   

Signs of an alcoholic.....I GUESS HE'S CAUGHT UP IN THE STEREOTYPICAL MYTHS AND IDEAS.   

   

Here are some signs......they drink alcohol......they deny they have  problem.......they create problems for other people, yet don't see it or admit to it.....they drink to ______ ......(place what ever excuse you want in there)  They have a high tolerance to alcohol.....before they actually feels its effects......must I go on......HE HAS ALL OF THESE SIGNS AND THEN SOME.   

   

He's  thinking of the unemployed, lazy, drunk.   

   

Well alcoholics come in more than one suit......and from all walks of life.  From professionals down to the local minister......or day laborer.   

   

And the same is true for Batterers and Abusers....they come from all backgrounds, all economic status....and all professions........including professional athletes.  

   

He is making yet more excuses for his alcoholism, and his abusive behavior.....and its perpetuating his problems further.   

   

   

 
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May 28, 2007, 10:39 am PDT

worse

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 Really? How did it get worse for you?? How do they sound the same??

For some, men the physical violence gets worse, for some the verbal and emotional gets worse. 

 

My ex frequently used my son to manipulate me.  He would hold  me away from my infant son while he cried for me, until I gave in to his wishes.  He would wake my son from his naps as "punishment" for not agreeing to his wants and needs. 

 

It is also just an issue of practicality.  It is easier to find a place and get all the things that are required with moving done without a beautiful baby to care for.  They demand a lot of time.  One of the reasons I stayed as long as I did was it was difficult to manage leaving with my son's needs.

 

You can read my diary (it's public) to give you an idea of what my ex is like.  Bringing a baby ito the picture gives so many opportunities for a manipulitive and abusive man to control and demean you.

 

Best wishes,

Anita

 

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May 28, 2007, 10:39 am PDT

and.....

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Many families that have "shameful secrets" ...secrets of child abuse, alcoholism, emotional illness and suicide agree to keep the facts hidden and never discuss them. 

  

When one person changes their mind and pull away from the family's dynamics of denial it challenges the system and its perpetrators. 

  

Its not uncommon for family folks to label the person doing the pulling away as "crazy", heartless or trying to wreck the family. 

  

  

While the person getting healthier finds the need to talk to the family about these things, members of the family fight hard to keep the secrets. 

  

  

And so it goes ....
 

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May 28, 2007, 10:41 am PDT

not easy to look at

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When she becomes financially dependent upon him, money will become a real and overwhelming issue  

  

in her life.  Because no matter what he earns, he will see to it that she never has enough $$$ to  

  

make ends meet. 

  

  

Even the rich are battered, and even very wealthy women are kept penniless. 

  

  

The batterer will take out as much $$ as he wants, or needs...then make a great issue of turning the remainder of his paycheck over to his victim. 

  

This will NOT often be sufficient to cover everyday household expenses....to pay regular bills, or to provide her with pocket money.  

  

He will demand to know exactly where every penny was spent and why.   Will become furious when she can't manage to provide for the normal household expenses or pay the regular bills with what $$$ he has given her. 

  

He will prevent her from having transportation. He may sabotage her car or convince her that as a couple or family they only need one vehicle. 

  

He may remove her distributor cap or spark plugs when she needs to drive.  Or he may simply have her car towed away. 

  

At this stage, the woman will find that she is spending little or none of the $$$ on herself.   

  

She never buys new clothes. 

  

She has begun to look bedraggled. 

  

Her clothes appear shabby or even dirty looking because she can not afford dry cleaning. 

  

A previously fastidious woman will begin to wear torn pantyhose and rundown shoes.   She may cut her own hair instead of a trip to the beauty shop.   Possibly she no longer wears expensive makeup. 

  

Whatever the particulars, she looks different, and sometimes worse. 

  

  

The Battered Woman's Survival Guide....breaking the cycle. 

  

Jan Berliner Statman  

  

  

  

  

 
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