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February 7, 2006, 3:30 pm PST

Hi Kiwi...

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Hi, i,m a guy, and seems like most of the abuse board is directed at guys.I,d agree it does seem to be that men resort to abuse more than women. From my perspective there are many diferent forms of abuse, from physical, to vebal, to action abuse of a relationship. Pesonally, in my last long term realationsip i relalised that i could control my reactions to her actions. I was pretty verbal about her lies and deceit.It did improve for a while. No matter what though, i finnally realised that no matter what i did there was very little i could do to change someone else. It does take a person to look at themselves before anything else, right down to the self knowledge of "who am i being to be in this relationship". Yes i know its difficult, very difficult, and its a never ending process of hard work and self discovery but the results are worth it. My avice,, first you have to stand up for yourself, and be resolute in how you will or wont be treated and make it clear. Your young , have a whole life ahead of you and life should be fun and inspiring.  Second find some support from somewhere, not someone who will listen to your blaming him , but people who will support you in what you want from life. Next, read listen and lean, and dont get trapped in being the victim, its not others that make us a victim,i ts ourselves. The truth i tink about people who abuse, not matter what form the abuse takes, is that they invaiably have low esteem... Seems to me like the answer for you is to get out of this relationsip. How you do that is t find a safe and supportive place, mix with friends that you like and will support you too. Also is there anywhere you can go to find some support, such as a womens group where there is some fun. Whatever, if he ever hits you, get out and never whatever the emotional pull go back, ever.  Remember that tried and true saying often have a good reason for them being tried and true. One that springs to mind is, lepoards dont change their spots, so get someone or some group or arganisation on your side, where yopu can find some positive support.

You'd be surprised... although we have had mostly women here... we've had quite a few guys. 

  

You've given great advice... hope you stick around!  Q 

 
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February 7, 2006, 3:34 pm PST

It's kind of funny...

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Thank you very much for your kind words.  

Until you wrote that about self-confidence, I never thought of it that way. I always thought of myself as someone with no self-confidence and no self-esteem.  

Thank you for correcting me on this!! 

I guess it did take and does take confidence to rebuild your life. 

Thank you so much Wade!!!!! 

well, maybe not, but I remember my Mom telling me, "You have more power than you know." 

  

Trouble was... I had given it ALL away... to the point where I wasn't ME anymore. 

  

I figured out how to get my power back and I succeeded. 

  

And I also figured out how I contributed to the problems in my abusive relationship.  It DOES TAKE TWO to ruin a relationship. 

  

I learned the lessons life was trying to teach me and it made a LOT of difference. 

  

It took time, effort and lots of practice. 

  

Self-respect start WITHIN.  So does self-confidence (even when you're scared).  

  

Then it naturally gravitates outward.  Q  

 
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February 7, 2006, 3:37 pm PST

Excellent book!

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Hi Q Have you read Why Does He Do That? by Lundy Bancroft? That book helped me so much! What book did the most for you? 

Sorry, I'm a big reader! lol 

Very accurate and illuminating.   

  

The only thing that caused me some dismay... was how the author seemingly insisted that abusers can not change or be "rehabilitated". 

  

For me, I figured out my abuser did not have the ability or the willingness to do the work of change. 

  

But I can not say that all abusers are that way.   

  

If a victim can change, so can an abuser... but the self-entitlement makes it alot harder - I think. 

  

Yes, EXCELLENT BOOK! 

 
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February 7, 2006, 3:40 pm PST

Yes, alcohol...

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HI I HAVE  BEEN IN AN ABUSIVE RELATIONSHIP WITH MY HUSBAND FOR SEVERAL YEARS BEFORE HE TOOK HIS OWN LIFE IN 2000.....I PUT HIM IN JAIL MANY TIMES FOR ABUSE  AND I LEFT HIM  MANY TIMES  BUT I KEPT GOING BACK TO HIM AGAIN AND AGAIN....I TOLD MYSELF IT WAS FOR THE KIDS BUT REALLY I LOVED HIM   VERY MUCH....I AM THANK FUL EVERY DAY THAT HE DIDNT DECIDE TO TAKE ME WITH HIM THAT DAY HE PULLED THE TRIGGER  ....MY KIDS WOULD OF BEEN ORPHANS IF HE HAD OF....I USE TO SAY IT WAS THE COWARDS WAY OUT  BUT I THINK NOW THAT HE WAS BEING VERY LOVING TOWARDS  HIS FAMILY WHEN HE TOOK HIS OWN LIFE....HE HAD ALOT OF PROBLEMS  AND  I KNOW EVENTUALLY HE WOULD OF HURT ME OR HIS KIDS...I KNOW HE LOVED ME IN HIS OWN WAY ...HE WAS THE BEST WHEN HE WAS SOBER IT ONLY HAPPENED WHEN HE WAS DRINKING BOOZE.   THANKS AND GOD BLESS ALL WOMEN AND MEN OF ABUSE....FROM CANADA  CHERYL

is like a bucket of gasoline on the fire that is abuse. 

  

I am sorry for your loss.  Q 

 
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February 7, 2006, 3:40 pm PST

Thanks for your input!

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I relocated to another state to be with my family! So it's possible to do. 

  

But, regardless of that you need counseling. You need to start seeing someone, someone who can explain to you why he's doing what he is and how you can get away from it. When I was at the women's shelter I read a book by Lundy Bancroft called Why Does He Do That? I can't even tell you how much that book helped me to realize that everything going on was not my fault. I described so much of what he did to me and explained the thinking of an abusive man. 

Like it's been said earlier on the board. It's all about HIM, and only HIM! 

I have tried counselling earlier in my life and I never got anything out of it. I started going again this year and I think I must be going to the wrong ones because I never feel that I get anything out of it. It only feels good to go and vent but I can do that with a friend. Sometimes she would say things that I didn't agree on. Like when I told her about something. She adviced me to "maybe go and get a lover"?? What?! That's not me and that's not what I expected to hear. You have to be careful where you get your advice from and I feel like know the answers more than she does sometimes. I also feel like it's a waste of money and time. I never get anywhere because I have so much to talk about. You only go once a week and for one hour. I'll never get anywhere......It feels so useless..... 

But thanks for telling me that it's not about me. I doubt myself all the time....... 

 
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February 7, 2006, 3:43 pm PST

Wade,

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Here is a workable strategy that you may want to consider: 

  

Your husband evidently felt victimized (embarassed by what he viewed as defiant behavior from you that caused him to be embarrassed in front of his friends), and given his perception, his reaction seems somewhat reasonable. 

  

However, if I understand you correctly, his perception is incorrect, and perhaps even irrational. 

  

This being the case, then rather than reacting in kind (feeling victimized yourself), try correcting the misperceptions that are driving his behavior. Kindly help him to understand that you love and support him (as evident by your prep of the food) and would not wish to defy or embarrass him in front of his friends or anywhere else. You may also wish to talk openly and dispassionately about why he might think you would do such a thing. 

  

Otherwise, if you react in kind, this will simply escallate the mutual feelings of victimization and chance excallating or maintianing the hurt and hostility. 

  

What do you think?  -Wade-  

Threats of violence are NOT reasonable is ANY form. 

  

How you deal with those threats, as you have suggested, by not reacting is a healthy thing to do. 

  

And trying to deal with him in a rational way is also healthy... but as you well know, people are not always rational.  Sometimes they up "crazymaking".   

  

They way to not buy into that is to "let go" of it.  Q 

 
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February 7, 2006, 3:44 pm PST

Got to go...

My it's been busy in here today. 

  

I will try to get on and finish posts/responses tomorrow. 

  

Be gentle!  Q 

 

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February 7, 2006, 3:49 pm PST

Abuse

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 I grew up very poor, and I witnessed my mom being abused by my alcoholic stepdad.  That use to be my alarm clock to get me up for school--to hear my mom scream for mercy.  Also, I grew up abused by my grandfather--sexually abused.  Also, I grew up emoitionally abused--always trying to fit in, and I never felt like I fit in with my family.  I have battled many bouts of depresion, and I have been suicidal many times when I was in my early adulthood.  Honestly, the best therapy I have ever had is the book of love poetry that I wrote.  That is why  it is so important to me.  Well, if you have any questions, or if you want to talk, you can always email me...or call me...

Thank you
Christopher Hank Bohannon

I think your self-designed "therapy" is very instructive. We humans have certain needs that we strive for in order to have a healthy and productive life. Two of the most significant of these needs, as I see it, is the need to love and be loved, and the need to feel worthwhile to ourselves and to others. When a person is abused, they may well be robbed of these needs, and too often those who are abused tend to dwell on righting the wrong of abuse (seldom successfully) rather than finding ways to re-satisfy those basic human needs, and thus are not only left damaged, but empty and unsatisfied. By writing poetry about love, your mind becomes focused on the enriching power of love, and away from the debilitating and emptying forces of abuse, and you inadvertantly satisfy one of your basic human needs by being loving and loved. It is also a worthwhile pursuit, which helps satisfy the other basic human need.. No wonder it worked. It is pure genious. Very nice! Thanks for sharing this with us. 

  

-Wade- 

 
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February 7, 2006, 3:49 pm PST

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I have tried counselling earlier in my life and I never got anything out of it. I started going again this year and I think I must be going to the wrong ones because I never feel that I get anything out of it. It only feels good to go and vent but I can do that with a friend. Sometimes she would say things that I didn't agree on. Like when I told her about something. She adviced me to "maybe go and get a lover"?? What?! That's not me and that's not what I expected to hear. You have to be careful where you get your advice from and I feel like know the answers more than she does sometimes. I also feel like it's a waste of money and time. I never get anywhere because I have so much to talk about. You only go once a week and for one hour. I'll never get anywhere......It feels so useless..... 

But thanks for telling me that it's not about me. I doubt myself all the time....... 

It sounds like you really do have the wrong counselor!! 

Maybe you can contact a women's organization, they should be able to let you know someonewho can help you. Maybe even a group type of program. That way you can meet some women at the same time.  

I know that for me the isolation was almost unbearable. 

 
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February 7, 2006, 3:50 pm PST

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My it's been busy in here today. 

  

I will try to get on and finish posts/responses tomorrow. 

  

Be gentle!  Q 

Have a wonderful night and thank you for all your help!
 
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