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October 21, 2005, 12:45 pm PDT

Oh Bonnie...

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Thank you both for words of wisdom. Every insight I receive is good, it is keeping me going. 

I have an appt. to talk to my h. tommorow and my oldest daughter is going to watch the other 

2 while we talk. I am praying that God would give me the right words and also work on my husbands heart that he would come out of his denial for help that he needs to change his 

behavior and neuron loop pattern. I wrote my h. a note about what rage does to a child. I am reading 

a book called "The Developing Mind" and I read that a child feels terror when a parent rages. 

I gave that info to my h. in a note telling him I know he would not purposely hurt his kids but told him 

what rage does. My 12 yr. old daughter has been in cbt therapy for ocd for over a year and she's been getting worse.  The stress makes it worse. She already has terrifying thoughts w/ her illness 

and rage from her dad makes it worse. My oldest daughter moved back home for financial reasons 

and she doesn't feel peace when her dad is home. I want a peaceful home, but it doesn't feel peaceful. My h. wrote me back saying he hates his job, is worried about money and fixing stuff. That 

he loves me and the kids and we are the only people in his life that he cares about and he is sorry. 

I pray he will go to counseling, I have been asking him for years and he always says no and does 

not have good things to say about therapists. He has never in all this time ever even met the  

therapist that his daughter sees every week.  I can also speculate why my h. is the way he is, 

mabe he didn't get his emotional needs met when he was a child. He is not a good communicator 

and hates discussing problem solving for us, he just gets ancy and can't. I see his body tighten 

his face get red, his fists tighten and I don't know what I can do to help him.  I am trying to figure out 

boundaries and am co-dependent and am working on that. My oldest daughter is bipolar and 

an addict and she has been on and off sober.  I am now going on and on. Please God help my 

h change and if he won't show me how to do what I need to one day at a time. 

I've been where you are... I desperately tried EVERYTHING to get my hubby to change. 

  

I manipulated, cajoled, begged, pleaded, controlled, played games -- one day he FINALLY agreed to go to counseling with me.  I knew that a counselor could lead him to change. 

  

I was wrong.  He backed out at the last minute.  So I ended up going alone. 

  

It was the BEST THING I ever did.  After several visits I took my counselors suggestions and acted on them.  I read books, I started going to group, I continued counseling.   

  

Only when I had reached my breaking point and I left him, did he start going to counseling.  I was still so weak and full of doubt that I let him talk me into a reconciliation.  I was already done but I was still weak.  I told him that I would only reconcile if we both went to counseling and we both worked to repair the relationship.   

  

He didn't keep his promises.  But I was different.  I KEPT MINE.  I KEPT ON working on me. 

  

I learned that not matter how hard I tried, I COULD NOT change my Ex if HE didn't want to do the work of change.  All his actions pointed to the FACT that he didn't think there was anything wrong with him or what he did.  He excused away his behavior too -- just like your hubby is doing. 

  

One day he even admitted he didn't work as hard at the relationship.  That's when I KNEW I didn't have a partner I could work with.  It was like turning off a light switch. 

  

If you do not have a partner you can work with, you have NO MARRIAGE. 

  

Until you figure that out for yourself, YOU have to do EVERYTHING in your heart to fix it (and YOU). 

  

The best thing I ever did was divorce my Ex.  Not only was it the best thing for me and my children, but it really was the best thing for my Ex.  My Ex said he cared too -- but you know, bonnie, he didn't care ENOUGH to take a good hard look in the mirror at how he contributed to the demise of our relationship, he didn't care ENOUGH to DO something about it, he didn't care ENOUGH to stop being an abuser. 

  

But I DID CARE ENOUGH. 

  

I couldn't fix him.  BUT I DID FIX ME.  I did one-day-at-a-time just like you are doing. 

  

You are doing just FINE!  Q 

 
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October 21, 2005, 12:47 pm PDT

Oh boy

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Thought it fit here...  Enjoy!  Q 

  

If a man wants you, nothing can keep him away. 

  

  

If he doesn't want you, nothing can make him stay. 

  

  

Stop making excuses for a man and his behaviour. 

  

  

Allow your intuition (or spirit) to save you from heartache. 

  

  

Stop trying to change yourself for a relationship that's not meant to be. 

  

  

Slower is better. Never live your life for a man before you find what makes you truly happy. 

  

  

If a relationship ends because the man was not treating you as you deserve then heck no, you can't "be friends". A friend wouldn't mistreat a friend. 

  

  

Don't settle. If you feel like he is stringing you along, then he probably is. 

  

  

Don't stay because you think "it will get better." You'll be mad at yourself a year later for staying when things are not better. 

  

  

The only person you can control in a relationship is you. 

  

  

Avoid men who've got a bunch of children by a bunch of different women. He didn't marry them when he got them pregnant, why would he treat you any differently? 

  

  

Always have your own set of friends separate from his. 

  

  

Maintain boundaries in how a guy treats you. If something bothers you, speak up. 

  

  

Never let a man know everything. He will use it against you later. 

  

  

You cannot change a man's behaviour. Change comes from within. 

  

  

Don't EVER make him feel he is more important than you are... even if he has more education or in a better job. Do not make him into a quasi-god. He is a man, nothing more nothing less. 

  

  

Never borrow someone else's man. If he cheated with you, he'll cheat on you. 

  

  

A man will only treat you the way you ALLOW him to treat you. 

  

  

All men are NOT dogs. 

  

  

You should not be the one doing all the bending...compromise is two way street. 

  

  

You need time to heal between relationships...there is nothing cute about baggage... deal with your issues before pursuing a new relationship. 

  

  

You should never look for someone to COMPLETE you... a relationship consists of two WHOLE individuals. Look for someone complimentary, not supplementary. 

  

  

  

I wish I had seen this 5 years ago. Everytime I think of my life I think of Dr. Phils saying  

  " WHAT WERE YOU THINKING" .  I guess I wasn't. You would think a 46 year old women would know better, well now I do. 

Thanks Q you inspire me to be who I am, not who someone else wants me to be. 

 
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October 21, 2005, 2:02 pm PDT

Oprah

  

   Did anyone see Oprah today? she had a guested on (can't remember her name), but what her H did to her, Oh my god. We all need to wakeup this could be any of us. I cryed for her and her little boys, she is so strong. Hey ladys wakeup and smell the flowers. 

                                          Dee 

 
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October 21, 2005, 5:35 pm PDT

abused husband

Dr. Phil, you have minimized the fact that husbands can be abused as brutally as wives.  I was subject to much verbal, emotional and physical abuse by an intensely jealous and perhaps bipolar wife.  So, when seeing your follow-up show about the woman who almost killed her drunk husband by kicking and beating him, I was very sad.  You made her out to be a hero for getting on with her own life now, when I believe she should be in jail.  When will she snap again?  Man, she got off easy. 
 
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October 21, 2005, 6:24 pm PDT

Thanks

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My Ex put complete strangers up to threatening me and stalking, so I KNOW that you are anticipating things that COULD happen. 

  

Leaving IS scary all by itself and leaving an abusive man, is even MORE scary.  I oughta know. 

  

I ran away BOTH times.  I figured he'd blow like a volcano and I was right. 

  

SO... what you need to do is HEED your fear.  Understand that there are TWO kinds of fear.  1) The kind of fear you do something about and 2) the kind of fear that you can't do anything about.  For the first you can help minimize the fear by getting PREPARED. 

  

That is just 1 reason why i harp about a PLAN so much on this board.  You NEED a SAFETY plan, you need to reach out for support from safe friends and family so that you have a safe haven to go to.  I've post web site regarding plans and probable even posted to them to you -- if you don't find the info let me know and I'll post it again.   

  

You need to PREPARE for your PROTECTION.  The second time I ran away I went where i KNEW hubby couldn't find me and because I had kids, I took them with me.  Only when I knew he was served and when the lawyer talked him out of leaving the house, did I return.  The day I returned I had family with me for protection, I changed the locks, installed motion detectors, got a voice machine and started becoming VERY aware of my surroundings when I came and went from my home.  Eventually I moved to an apartment complex that had a security gate, guards, panic buttons.   

  

I got pepper spray, my sister loaned me a tazer (I gave it back because I was too afraid the kids would get hurt), I talked to a friend who was a black belt.  I did ALOT to take steps so I would not get hurt.  Most of the time it worked.  The one time he did get in was when I let my guard down. 

  

I lived with worry for a LONG time, but you know what, asmerelda, I lived through it.  I survived.  I became a stronger woman because of the CRAP I went through.   

  

I decided that I wouldn't BE DAMNED if I was going to let SOME MAN keep me DOWN, keep me from being who I WAS, and keep me from living MY life the way I wanted to live it.  I was NOT going to give away that right -- the right to happiness -- to ANYONE ELSE EVER AGAIN. 

  

It wasn't easy.  There was NOTHING easy about divorcing my Ex -- NOTHING.  He wanted a fight and he got what he wanted. 

  

But what he didn't get was... he didn't WIN the WAR and he didn't get ME!! 

  

I also understand you sense of shame for "getting with him" in the first place.  Odds are you settled.   

  

Do you know what I say to that??  SO WHAT?!?!  You know BETTER NOW.  So you can DO BETTER!! 

  

BRAVO on your reading!!  It really helped me!  I also did ALOT of other things that helped.  Face-to-face support groups, MORE books, counseling, good lawyers, wonderful friends and family... 

  

in the end, it was ME, MYSELF and I who did ALL the hard stuff! 

  

So it's okay to feel SOME shame, but USE IT to motivate you to GET OUT, then TOSS IT AWAY and when you look back you WILL have a sense of PRIDE for how far you've come! 

  

Your freedom is WORTH getting out -- I PROMISE YOU, it is WORTH IT!   

  

  

  

  

   Thanks Q your a big help.    I am going to see my doctor the beginning of next week.  I will be asking her alot of questions.  I am starting my first stress councilling the beginning of Nov.   I want to go to a face to face support group.  I read all the replies you wrote again and again.  It helps me.  Gotta go I worked a long day and need to rest.  I will keep updating my progress.  I agree my freedom is well worth it.
 
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October 21, 2005, 10:07 pm PDT

Abuse

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I think I'll stop by the health food store and pick some up for hubby -- he has a tough time staying asleep. 

  

Thanks for the tip!  Q 

 I'm having serious problmes this week. I have come to the decision to drop out of school, for the second time this year. I had to drop out this last springbecaise of my depression and thoughts about killing myself and now I'm going to have to this fall as my grades are so bad I won't be able to raise them up even to a min level to pass. I feel so bad as I have moved back home with my mom and she has been so supportive of me and bending over backwards to help me finish school and I can't seem to do my work, do quality work or get anything done. I feel like I have partly some blame as I so scared to get on with my life and be on my own again I have done this on purpose to demolish my future but then on the other hand I can't even think straight for two seconds or even read a paragraph of my reading with out reading it 5 times because my mind trails off. My mom is so going to kill me and be so mad and dissapointed. I just wish I had the money to live on my own and just be a dissapointment to myself. I keep thinking of pills which is wrong but I don't want to scare my mom but I can't even get into the doc to talk about new meds till the 14th. How crazy do you have to be or feel to put yourself in the hospital? Its the last place I want to go but ...I just don't know.   I just don't know what the point is anymore if I can't even do the simple things in life like get my assignments in....


 

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October 22, 2005, 10:20 am PDT

Religion and Domestic Abuse

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Everyone needs help when in a marriage because "in a marriage there will be tribulations."  

There is a true beauty in a united, happy family.  Family life today, however, has come under severe pressures.  In some countries persons even ask, "Can the family survive?"  There is a free book called, "The Secret of Family Happiness" that I would like to give to interested ones.  This book is published to show that we have every reason for confidence in the success of the family arrangement.  It will point you to the finest source of counsel and guidance for solving family problems.  I sincerely hope it will contribute to the happiness of your family.  There are only two keys to a lasting and happy marriage; love and respect for one another.  Two imperfect people are coming together to live under the same roof to try to make a marriage "perfect".  Please remember that when times get tough, "in a marriage there will be tribulations."     

   

What ever the situation is in your marriage, do not be distressed.  For what is happening in your marriage is likely the same in others.  So don' t be discouraged.  There are ways to make the marriage work, even after 1 year or 30 years (or more)!  First know that domestice violence begins in the heart and mind; the way one acts begins with how one thinks.  (James 1:14, 15).  To stop the violence, whether pysical, emotional, or sexual, the abuser needs to transform his way of thinking.  Is that possible, you ask?  Yes.  God's Word has the power to change people.  It can uproot even "strongly entrenched" destructive views.  (2 Corinthians 10:4).  Accurate knowledge of the Bible principles for married couples can help produce so complete a change in people that they are said to put on a new personality.  "Husbands ought to be loving their wives as their own bodies.  He who loves his wife loves himself."  (Ephesians 5:28).  The bible also says that a husband should assign his wife "honour as to a weaker vessel."  Wives are admonished "to love their husbands" and to have "deep respect" for them.  Surely no God-fearing husband can truthfully argue that he really honours his wife if he assaults her physically, verbally, or sexually.  And no wife who screams at her husband, addresses him sarcastically, or constantly scolds him can say that she truly loves and respects him.   The bible condems "enmities, strife,...fits of anger".  Therefore, anyone claiming to be a Christian who repeatedly and unrepentantly gives in to violent fits of anger, perhaps including physical abuse of spouse or children, will not go without being punished.  If you need assistance in your marriage, then chapter 12 of this free book addresses the concern of overcoming damaging problems in a marriage. 

  

The mental and emotional makeup and the upbringing of each partner are different.  Couples often disagree and it takes time to address such matters, but take heart!  "God is near to those that are broken at heart; and those who are crushed in spirit he saves."  Most married couples are able to face such problems and work out mutually acceptable solutions.  This shows that the coming together will actually become a complement of one another, highlighting one anothers strengths.  So it is not the time to give up, you've worked so hard to get to where you are now.  It is just time to improve.  If you feel broken at heart or need help to cope with the anxieties of your marriage, there is hope.  "God is near."  He understands how difficult your family situation is.  (1 Peter 5:6, 7).  The communication in a marriage is the most vital thing, yet the most hardest.   If you would like further assistance for your marriage, don't hesitate to inquire about the free book.  It will help you to recognize the problems and how to apply the solutions.  It will give great insight into your marriage and help mend it to make it even more than better.  Please let me know if this is of interest to you.   

Sadly, sacred writings have been misused and put women and children in danger at the hands of men.  

  

  

Religion and some teachings have been part of the institutional abuse of women and children. 

  

  

Women and children have been taught to be subservient to men and most given a" less than status."     

  

  

Regarding Divorce, Deal Breakers, Broken Marriages ............. 

  

  

A battered women who leaves is not the one breaking any marriage vows.  Rather, the marriage was already broken by the man who ignored his vows to love and cherish.  Hasn't he put asunder what God brought together? 

  

  

  

Women deserve better...............God wants more for you, too.............get out and leave for a whole, happy and healthy life. 

  

  

  

 
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October 22, 2005, 10:49 am PDT

Just needing to vent my anger

     

  I can't believe it. I've been with my sons father for almost 5years ( he's not my husband and as of last week he's not my boyfriend, I moved out of his bedroom ) . He's always had a temper, every other word is f*** this and f*** that, nothing I do is right, I don't think, I could go on. Well, my point is I'm normaly a quite person, I don't rock the boat, as of last week I stood-up for my son and me. He is driving me nuts, he hasn't been sick in 2 years ( did I mention last year he told me he was dieing, that he didn't have long to live, this was in January 2004 ). Well all of a sudden he's dieing again, that if I leave he's going to lose everything, why am I doing this to him, what did he do or not due. 

We haven't gone out on a date since my son was born and hes 4 now, he doesn't like to go out because he can't smoke at a restaurantnt anymore. I guess today I just blu my top and told him its over, that I'll find away for my son and me, and he just won't listen, what can he do to change my mind, I said nothing, but he won't listen. If I could leave today I would, but I can't, like he said how am I going to get money. Sorry for going onlike this , but I needed to vent. 

                  

 

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October 22, 2005, 10:59 am PDT

Has He?

Has he ever raised a fist or hand? 

  

  

Thrown things? 

  

  

Destroyed your property? 

  

  

Ripped phones out of the wall? 

  

  

Punched walls/doors? 

  

  

Intimidated  you with or exposed a weapon in your presence? 

  

  

  

  

  

  

 

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October 22, 2005, 11:17 am PDT

Some thoughts

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  I can't believe it. I've been with my sons father for almost 5years ( he's not my husband and as of last week he's not my boyfriend, I moved out of his bedroom ) . He's always had a temper, every other word is f*** this and f*** that, nothing I do is right, I don't think, I could go on. Well, my point is I'm normaly a quite person, I don't rock the boat, as of last week I stood-up for my son and me. He is driving me nuts, he hasn't been sick in 2 years ( did I mention last year he told me he was dieing, that he didn't have long to live, this was in January 2004 ). Well all of a sudden he's dieing again, that if I leave he's going to lose everything, why am I doing this to him, what did he do or not due. 

We haven't gone out on a date since my son was born and hes 4 now, he doesn't like to go out because he can't smoke at a restaurantnt anymore. I guess today I just blu my top and told him its over, that I'll find away for my son and me, and he just won't listen, what can he do to change my mind, I said nothing, but he won't listen. If I could leave today I would, but I can't, like he said how am I going to get money. Sorry for going onlike this , but I needed to vent. 

                  

Normally you don't rock the boat.......you go along to get along.........does it work?    

  

  

Are things better? 

  

  

Appealing to your sympathy.........has it worked in the past?  

  

  

He's playing games. 

  

  

No dates since son was born...........he is isolating you from friends  and a social life.    It has nothing to do with cigarettes and smoking. 

  

  

Call a DV shelter for some advise.......they can help you talk this thing thru.........you don't have to be in residence in order to use their resources and advise,be careful with the phone....be sure to un- do redial so he won't know you called for a listening hear or to have resources put at your finger tips.     You can remain anonymous when you place the calls, if you so wish. 

  

Take care. 

  

  

  

 
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