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May 22, 2007, 11:04 am PDT

A REMINDER ... CHILDREN'S VIEW ON STAYING IN A HOUSEHOLD WITH ABUSE AND VIOLENCE

A reminder...Oprah's show tomorrow.

 

Tape, DVD, Tivo..WATCH...Oprah's show tomorrow, the children of the BATTERED AND ABUSED WOMAN that was featured a week or so ago on her show....remember the videos taped by one of the son's, forced by the abuser, the father to tape his abuse against their mother.....that one.

 

Well, the children will be on interviewed by I believe the ABC crew that did the original show.  Anyway, the children will be on.......watch, listen to how this affects your children......

 

As Oprah continued to say....when the first show aired about the mother's abuse inflicted on her by her husband the children's father .....as Oprah continued to say.............this is your day.........YOUR DAY TO MAKE YOUR PLAN.

 

 

YOUR plan !!!

 

 

IF YOU THINK YOU'RE STAYING FOR THE CHILDREN, watch this show.

 

 

Don't forget tomorrow, WEDNESDAY, the show with the children will air.  Check your local listings.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 
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May 22, 2007, 12:25 pm PDT

Abuse

I posted my first post yesterday.  When I checked it today there was no response.  And since it was at the very bottom I put a copy below.  But I mainly came in today to read some of the past post on other pages.  I noticed that several post had something about hotlines.  Since I never did go through counseling or therapy after my abuse some 15 years ago, it is still effecting me now with my current relationship.  Are these hotlines for anyone.  Or are they for emergiences?  Would I be able to call one for help even though my abuse took some 10-15 years ago? Even though I am still feeling the effects of it today?  Or could I just holding on to the past and need to let go?  There are days that I just feel like just.......but then I think about what would happen to my kids if I did that.  So I try to keep going so that they don't have to grow up without a mother.  I have vowed that will be something that will never ever happen to my children.  So far it hasnt happened.  Thank Goodness.   Hello, this is my first time here So I am not sure how this works.  But anyhoo.   I grew up being repeatedaly molested and raped.  Then when I went to college, I had a boyfriend who became my fiance that also mentally raped (that is if that is possible).  And now I am divorcered but my ex and I are back together but he seems to be sexually driven.  It's like his mind is revollving around sex.  Even just a few minutes ago, a program about sex came on in the other room and so he comes into the bedroom, changes the channel to the one he is watching about sex and tells me "You might learn something".  And this is after he tells be a bunch of sex jokes.  I am now 30 years old.  Does this stuff ever STOP bothering you?  I  have never gone through therapy.  Want to but dont have health insurance and I cant afford it.  What else is there to do? 
 

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May 22, 2007, 1:22 pm PDT

Welcome

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I posted my first post yesterday.  When I checked it today there was no response.  And since it was at the very bottom I put a copy below.  But I mainly came in today to read some of the past post on other pages.  I noticed that several post had something about hotlines.  Since I never did go through counseling or therapy after my abuse some 15 years ago, it is still effecting me now with my current relationship.  Are these hotlines for anyone.  Or are they for emergiences?  Would I be able to call one for help even though my abuse took some 10-15 years ago? Even though I am still feeling the effects of it today?  Or could I just holding on to the past and need to let go?  There are days that I just feel like just.......but then I think about what would happen to my kids if I did that.  So I try to keep going so that they don't have to grow up without a mother.  I have vowed that will be something that will never ever happen to my children.  So far it hasnt happened.  Thank Goodness.   Hello, this is my first time here So I am not sure how this works.  But anyhoo.   I grew up being repeatedaly molested and raped.  Then when I went to college, I had a boyfriend who became my fiance that also mentally raped (that is if that is possible).  And now I am divorcered but my ex and I are back together but he seems to be sexually driven.  It's like his mind is revollving around sex.  Even just a few minutes ago, a program about sex came on in the other room and so he comes into the bedroom, changes the channel to the one he is watching about sex and tells me "You might learn something".  And this is after he tells be a bunch of sex jokes.  I am now 30 years old.  Does this stuff ever STOP bothering you?  I  have never gone through therapy.  Want to but dont have health insurance and I cant afford it.  What else is there to do? 

I'm glad you're posting again.  I try to write to everyone, but sometimes the kids take over my life for a few days at a time and I fall behind.  So, now I will try to catch up.

 

I'm not sure about the hotlines, but I think they're for more urgent conversations.  Maybe someone else will know the answer to that.  It's common for abuse to affect you forever, so it's never too late to seek help.  With help, things will start looking better and you will heal and find it easier to move on to a happier life.  You can do some of it on your own, and people here will post their lists and ideas on where to start.  For me, message boards helped a lot.  I tried counseling years ago and never got into the abuse issues.  After talking to the people here for a couple of years, I decided to return to counseling.  It's been very helpful.  I recommend that you do it as soon as you find a way. 

 

Some agencies that deal with abuse will have support groups.  I think they're free, but I'm not sure.  You might want to call all of them in the phone book and see if you can get into one.  If it doesn't fit your situation, try another.  I prefer the message board to a group, but we're all different.  Do what works for you.  Oh, another idea--churches.  I know that there are churches that offer counseling for victims of abuse, and some specialize in sexual abuse (even in the past).  That might be a great place to look.

 

Your partner sounds preoccupied with sex.  I've known a few guys like that and I found it really annoying and UNattractive.  I love sex, but what they do has nothing to do with love or respect, in my opinion.  Have you done any reading on sex addiction?  There might be some websites listed at the top of the abuse message board page. 

 

Your partner is very insensitive and cruel.  Does he know about your past abuse?  He has a problem and he is using your past to make you look like you're the one with a problem with sex.  The problem isn't that you need to "learn something."  You know what?  His behavior and comments should bother you.  Your feelings are telling you something.  Pay attention to them.

 

Is there any way your partner will go to counseling?  Can he afford it?  Is there any way he will pay for you to go on your own?

 

That's all I can think of for now.  Let us know how it's going.  Take care.

 
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May 22, 2007, 1:38 pm PDT

Abuse

 

   Peace and solace in your most inner-being. To all who are in a place of uncertainty - all the questions that continue spinning through your thoughts- should I leave?; should I stay?; will it get better?; is this my fault?' will he change?; etc. etc.  We spend many of our waking moments still tryng to make the "right" decisions, for our children our families, and even our abusers, that sometimes the moments are lost and gone when we should have been seeking to heal our own souls.  Don't let those moments escape you today.  This day is for YOU.

 

 

     Then the time came when the risk it took

      To remain tight in a bud was more painful

       Than the risk it took to blossom.

       

                     -Anais Nin

 

     Soul-read for the day -

 

    "Call the soul what you like-one's marriage to the wild, one's hope for the future, one's fluming energy, one's creative passion, my way, what I do, the Beloved, the wild groom, the"feather on the breath of God." whatever words or images you may have for this process in your life, it is that which has become captured.  That is why the creative spirit of the psyche becomes so bereft.

     Too much domestication is like forbidding the vital essence to dance.  In its proper and healthy state, the wild self is not docile or vacuous. It is alert and responsive to any given movement or moment.  It is not locked into an absolute and repetetive pattern for any and all circumstances.  It has creative choice. The instinct-injured woman has no choice.  She just stays stuck.

     There are many ways to be stuck. The instinct-injured woman usually gives herself away because she has a difficult time asking for help, recognizing her own needs.  Her natural instincts to fight or flee are drastically slowed or extincted.  Recongnition of the sensations of satiation, off-taste, suspicion, caution, and the drive to love fully and freely are inhibited or exaggerated.

     One of the most insidious attacks on the wild self is to be directed to perform properly, implying a reward will follow(if ever.) This method will never, never work in a vital woman's life.  While consistency, follow-through, and organization are all essential to implementing creative life, the woman's injunction to "be proper" kills off any opportunity to expand.

     It is play, not properness, that is the central artery, the core, the brain stem of creative life.  The impulse to play is an instinct.  No play, no creative life.  Be good, no creative life. Sit still, no creative life. Speak, think, act only demurely, little creative juice.  Any group, society, institution, or organization that encourages women to revile the eccentric; to be suspicious of the new and unusual; to avoid the fervent, the vital, the innovative; to impersonalize the personal, is asking for a culture of dead women.

    Injury to instinct cannot be underestimated as the root of the issue when women are acting mad, are possessed by obsession, or when they are stuck in less malignant but nevertheless destructive patterns.  The repair of injured instinct begins with acknowledging that a capture has taken place, that soul-famine has followed, that usual boundaries of insight and protection have been disturbed.  The process that caused a woman's capture and the ensuing famine has to be reversed. But first, there are stages to go through."

    

    

            

 

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May 22, 2007, 1:52 pm PDT

Welcome back Bertha!

Quote From: bertha7

really gave me some food for thought.  I was planning on checking in here and posting a quick update anyway. 

 

 This weekend (on advice from my counselor) I wrote a letter to my husband to try and address some of our issues.  Mainly, his instances of forcing me to have sex (which I can now call it what it is....rape).  It was a difficult letter for me to write and even harder to actually give it to him....but I did.  I also addressed how he treated the boys and how he treated me.  I told him I couldn't take it anymore and said drastic changes would have to be made, including him going to counseling himself.  I knew it was alot for him to take in, especially about the sex thing.  It took almost a day for him to talk to me about the letter, and I could not believe his response.  The first thing out of his mouth was, "Well, it looks like I'm never going to get laid again!"  I was shell shocked...THAT is what he got out of the letter I poured my heart and feelings into...begging for him to understand my feelings and how we needed to talk about things and get professional help.  He asked if this was about me wanting to go f*** someone else.  He has no remorse, no acknowledgement let alone an apology....nothing.  And then in the same conversation he wants to say how much he loves me and can't lose me.  He says he must just be such a bad guy and a horrible person that he should just drive his van off the side of the road...that I'd probably like that and it would be easier for me.  ARRRRRGGGGHHHHHH

 

The man seems so depressed to me.....he really needs help, but right now he just isn't willing to get it.  We have three weeks until school lets out for the summer.  Three weeks for me to see if he is genuinely ready to step up and be the husband/father he needs to be or look for another place to live. 

 

Is it normal for guys to revolve their world around sex?  I mean seriously, I know guys and girls have different sex drives....but his response to me seems so abnormal.  And is it fair of me to pretty much give him the ultimatum on going to a counselor?  We tried couples counseling in the beginning of the year, it didn't go very well....and mostly because he was only going to please ME, he never thought HE NEEDED it.  So forcing him to go doesn't make much sense, he has to WANT to go I think.  Anyone want to weigh in on this one?
Thanks

Hi Bertha.  I don't know if you remember me, but I remember you from a while ago.  I'm glad you came to check in.  It's great that you're in counseling; so am I. 

 

Even though the letter you wrote to your H didn't get the response you were hoping for, I think it was a good idea.  You searched your soul and tried to be as honest and open as you could be.  You gave your H every chance to respond appropriately.  It took courage.  His response only shows how self-centered he is.  His penis is the focus, isn't it?  He feels entitled to sex, so he made the comment about "never going to get laid again" to put the burden on you, and to make you feel guilty.  He must be thinking, "How dare you think that you have any rights when I want sex?"  He really doesn't get it.  His asking you if it's because you want someone else is just a way to take the responsibility off himself and put it onto you--like it's all your fault because you just want someone else and you're too scared to tell him that.  He's counting on you using up your energy defending youself instead of looking at his sick behavior.  OK, I can't read his mind, but this is what I imagine he is thinking. 

 

Oh, the comment about driving the van off the road is supposed to make you feel guilty, too.  In his eyes, you are taking HIS sex away.  I think he knows that you are not saying he is a "horrible person," but that you shared your heart.  He's just playing games, pretending to be hurt by your accusation.  Because of his fake hurt, he will scare you and pretend to contemplate suicide, just to make you suffer a bit more.  He's waiting for you to give in and say you want him in your life, just the way he is.

 

I don't think it's depression, but that's just my first impression.  He's abusive, but you already know that.  I've been doing some reading on these things lately.  Some men are diagnosed with depression, or their partners think they're depressed, when they're apathetic, maybe even sociopathic.  I do agree that your H needs help, and maybe he is depressed, but I know that depression is no excuse for him to treat you the way he does. 

 

Are you giving him three weeks to make a change?  I think that's plenty of time.  He is the one making the choices.  He can quit being a jerk anytime.

 

No, I don't think it's "normal for guys to revolve their world around sex."  Some guys do, and lots of guys like sex, but what your H does is far from normal and very far from healthy.  I am female and I have a very high sex drive and I have never come close to forcing anyone to have sex with me.  It's because I'm not an abuser.  I am not addicted to sex.  I have respect for people and I would never hurt anyone that way.  So, I don't think your husband's behavior has anything to do with sex drive.  Well, on the surface, it does, but deep down it's something else.

 

You're right--his response is ABNORMAL.  Yes, I think it's fair to tell him to go to a counselor or get out.  You've given him your heart and plenty of time.  What he is doing is wrong.  So many guys go to counseling only to please their partners.  There are some great guys who go because they really want to improve the relationships/lives, so I want to give them credit.  Good job!  If your H doesn't think he needs counseling and doesn't want to go, you may as well give up now.  That's just my opinion.  If he ever changes his mind and goes through all it takes to change his attitude and behaviors, then maybe he will be lucky enough to have a chance to talk to you again...if you're willing to take another chance.  I have done the joint counseling with an uncooperative, unwilling partner and it was extremely frustrating and non-productive.  You could go in once, so the counselor can see what you're dealing with, though, and then just go by  yourself so you can decide what to do.

 

I hope I'm not being too judgmental or harsh.  I am not feeling very patient with abusers, today in particular.  You do what is right for you.  It sounds like you have your head on straight and you're making some good decisions.  Let me know if you want to talk about any of this.

 

Good luck and take care,

Figuritout

 

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May 22, 2007, 2:11 pm PDT

Hi Indigo

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   Peace and solace in your most inner-being. To all who are in a place of uncertainty - all the questions that continue spinning through your thoughts- should I leave?; should I stay?; will it get better?; is this my fault?' will he change?; etc. etc.  We spend many of our waking moments still tryng to make the "right" decisions, for our children our families, and even our abusers, that sometimes the moments are lost and gone when we should have been seeking to heal our own souls.  Don't let those moments escape you today.  This day is for YOU.

 

 

     Then the time came when the risk it took

      To remain tight in a bud was more painful

       Than the risk it took to blossom.

       

                     -Anais Nin

 

     Soul-read for the day -

 

    "Call the soul what you like-one's marriage to the wild, one's hope for the future, one's fluming energy, one's creative passion, my way, what I do, the Beloved, the wild groom, the"feather on the breath of God." whatever words or images you may have for this process in your life, it is that which has become captured.  That is why the creative spirit of the psyche becomes so bereft.

     Too much domestication is like forbidding the vital essence to dance.  In its proper and healthy state, the wild self is not docile or vacuous. It is alert and responsive to any given movement or moment.  It is not locked into an absolute and repetetive pattern for any and all circumstances.  It has creative choice. The instinct-injured woman has no choice.  She just stays stuck.

     There are many ways to be stuck. The instinct-injured woman usually gives herself away because she has a difficult time asking for help, recognizing her own needs.  Her natural instincts to fight or flee are drastically slowed or extincted.  Recongnition of the sensations of satiation, off-taste, suspicion, caution, and the drive to love fully and freely are inhibited or exaggerated.

     One of the most insidious attacks on the wild self is to be directed to perform properly, implying a reward will follow(if ever.) This method will never, never work in a vital woman's life.  While consistency, follow-through, and organization are all essential to implementing creative life, the woman's injunction to "be proper" kills off any opportunity to expand.

     It is play, not properness, that is the central artery, the core, the brain stem of creative life.  The impulse to play is an instinct.  No play, no creative life.  Be good, no creative life. Sit still, no creative life. Speak, think, act only demurely, little creative juice.  Any group, society, institution, or organization that encourages women to revile the eccentric; to be suspicious of the new and unusual; to avoid the fervent, the vital, the innovative; to impersonalize the personal, is asking for a culture of dead women.

    Injury to instinct cannot be underestimated as the root of the issue when women are acting mad, are possessed by obsession, or when they are stuck in less malignant but nevertheless destructive patterns.  The repair of injured instinct begins with acknowledging that a capture has taken place, that soul-famine has followed, that usual boundaries of insight and protection have been disturbed.  The process that caused a woman's capture and the ensuing famine has to be reversed. But first, there are stages to go through."

    

    

            

Indigo, your timing is great.  I always learn something from your comments and quotes.  Is this one from the women-wolves book?  (I can't remember the title.) 

 

There is one part that jumped out at me:  "One of the most insidious attacks on the wild self is to be directed to perform properly, implying a reward will follow(if ever.) This method will never, never work in a vital woman's life."  Isn't that what so many of us have done in our relationships with abusers?  So many of us spend a very long time waiting for our partners (parents, co-workers, etc.) to start treating us well.  After all, we have done everything we're supposed to, right?  We are loving, patient, and tolerant.  The results we get from the abusers are not logical.  It makes no sense, so we often try harder, reluctant to give up.  I think that this is a big part of why many of us put up with mistreatment for so long.  Well, those are my thoughts for today, anyway.  Depressing, isn't it?  At the same time, seeing our behaviors in a new light might be what motivates us to make the changes that need to be made. 

 

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May 22, 2007, 2:18 pm PDT

Koa

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 I've been thinking about many of the things i've been reading lately and i've come to realize that i need to stop "giving in"  to his suggestions about how i should be, i need to stop letting him define who i am. i realize that this is the reason i have such a hard time making choices and decisions (it even takes me such a looong time to choose which bag of chips to eat!)i need to show him who i really am, even if it doesn't make him happy...because making me unhappy to make him happy just doesn't make much sense now...

 i have cheated on him, and i think i was putting up with so much from him because i was trying to make up for hurting him in the past. I still need to work on forgiving myself. i want to get stronger so i can teach my girls not to end up in this kind relationship(or anything similar)

Well, Koa, I think you have some good insight there.  I agree that you need to start being yourself, whether he likes it or not.  God put you here to be yourself.  I am not judging, though; I used to do the same thing.  I finally got tired of it. 

 

Feeling guilty can make us put up with all kinds of things.  It's OK to feel badly about something you did if you think it was wrong, but it does not mean that you need to punish yourself by letting someone abuse you or mistreat you in any way.  What you're saying makes sense.

 

Keep up the good work.  Your thoughts are helping me today.

 
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May 22, 2007, 2:42 pm PDT

Please make it stop.

I am so in over my head I don't know what to do!  I just got my ex's answer from the application to the courts for full custody and no access.

 

I.  Have.  Never.  Been.  So.  Angry.

 

He outright lied in his answer saying that there was never any abuse between us of any kind and that I am bi-polar.  He is saying that I was the abusive one and that he is a battered husband!!

 

What am I supposed to do?  His family signed affadvits supporting his answer.  I did not expect this because I was under the impression that it was against the law to lie in court documents.  They are well-off and have the money for a good lawyer and I have nothing- I have had to file and write all the documents myself.

 

I can't even write what their lies were I am so angry.  I just want to cry and have everything go away.  I have no clue where I can find the strength to get through this ordeal.  I have never been so angry, frustrated and scared.  I have never had anything so important at stake before. 

 

The fear of him being able to take my son from me feels more than I can stand.  I just don't think I can do this anymore. 

 

 I feel like I'm drowning.

 
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May 22, 2007, 2:54 pm PDT

confused as always

So it's been a little over 2 yrs now and here I am again...feeling completely overwhelmed.  Let's see it's been a hell of a road.. marriage..separation..back to together..emotional abuse..threats of suicide.. attempts of suicide and most recently admittance to hospital.. there's my marriage in a nut shell.. i'm 28 yrs old.. what am I doing.. I am in over my head.. I thought I was strong .. why do I put myself through this.. We have no children.. I have given up my dreams of a family.. I will in no way have children with this man.. he is angry..he is manipulative.. he was abused as a child however has not learned how to get over it and live his life.. don't get me wrong I know it is not as easy as just get over it.. trust me I know.. but at some point don't you have to stop letting them -the abuser- control your life and allow yourself to be happy.. I feel like the worst wife in the world.. I never stop thinking things like "I did not sign up for this" I didn't know he was going to be such an angry person.. I didn't know he was going to turn that anger towards me.. I didn't know he would control my every move yet do it such a way to make me doubt whether it is wrong or not.. of course it is wrong.. he can't control me yet I let him.. I hide from him.. I hide from me.. who I am ...who I desire to be.. I struggle to make sense of this all.. how did I ever get myself into a situation like this.. why I am still here.. I was brought up better.. I know what he is doing is wrong.. I know he needs to take responsibility.. So he started anger management.. will that really help.. he seen a counselor once since being released from the hospital after a suicide attempt.. this is so much for me to take.. I am seeing a counselor but struggling to take care of myself right now.. I am trying but it is so tiring... ................
 

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May 22, 2007, 3:21 pm PDT

Anita

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I am so in over my head I don't know what to do!  I just got my ex's answer from the application to the courts for full custody and no access.

 

I.  Have.  Never.  Been.  So.  Angry.

 

He outright lied in his answer saying that there was never any abuse between us of any kind and that I am bi-polar.  He is saying that I was the abusive one and that he is a battered husband!!

 

What am I supposed to do?  His family signed affadvits supporting his answer.  I did not expect this because I was under the impression that it was against the law to lie in court documents.  They are well-off and have the money for a good lawyer and I have nothing- I have had to file and write all the documents myself.

 

I can't even write what their lies were I am so angry.  I just want to cry and have everything go away.  I have no clue where I can find the strength to get through this ordeal.  I have never been so angry, frustrated and scared.  I have never had anything so important at stake before. 

 

The fear of him being able to take my son from me feels more than I can stand.  I just don't think I can do this anymore. 

 

 I feel like I'm drowning.

Anita, I wish I knew what to say.  I hate it when people lie like that.  I do remember you saying that he was arrested in the past for abusing your son.  That will show up in court, right?  Your ex's response is probably one that the courts are used to seeing--denial.  Hopefully, they will look at the facts.  What your ex said in the papers is just a defense, right?  Having his family support him doesn't make it any better, but (again) hopefully, the court will see through it.

 

Have you had a chance to call around to see if there is any free legal help?  I'm not sure where to start, but there are legal aid offices and if nothing else, call attorneys and ask for referrals to people who will do it for free.  Do you qualify for any public assistance?  If so, maybe it qualifies you for some type of legal advice.  Do you have a job with benefits?  If you do, ask the human resources office if there are any referrals to attorneys--ones with a free consultation, at least.

 

I'm sure the fear is gut-wrenching.  Try to stay strong. 

 

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