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May 25, 2007, 10:44 pm PDT

alintime and barrelracer

I'm addressing this post to both of you  - partly because I'm short on time and partly because you both seem to have such similar circumstances.

 

Let me start by saying this board is relatively quiet on weekends and will be particularly so due to the holiday.  There will be others who will respond but it will probably be later on next week so please don't give up on us.  This is a community of wonderful caring people.   I will tell you right here and now, you are among friends. 

 

Please take this opportunity, if you haven't already, to read through as much of the posts as possible and avail  yourselves of the many resources listed.  There are some great websites such as youarenotcrazy.com and drirene, that will give you some solid information about abuse.

 

You aren't exaggerating and this is not your fault - none of it.  Your husband's are mistreating you for one very good reason - it works for them.  Their sense of justification and entitlement allow them to resort to any measures to achieve power and control over you, their kids and anyone else who gets in their way. 

 

Speaking of kids;  I have to say that abusive men, generally speaking, aren't great fathers.  The sign of a great father is how well he loves the mother of his children.  Need I say more?

 

Welcome to the board.  Please feel free to come here and vent or ask questions or just read.  Don't be discouraged by a lack of response right away, please. 

 

stay safe - stay sane

 

peace and blessings

 

Lyn

 
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May 26, 2007, 5:13 am PDT

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Hi everyone I just found this board and I am relieved to know that I am not alone, I keep thinking things have to get better, I have been married for almost 11 years and have 2 children on the outside we seem to have a perfect life we have a nice house and a lot of extras, but on the inside I am living with a monster. Over the course of our marriage I have lost who I am I am now who my husband wants me to be, I have lost most of my friends because he didnt like them and have even quite talking to a lot of family because he does not want them knowing our buisness. I keep thinking I am lucky and that I dont have it that bad because he dont hit very often however he is very menatlly abusive, he is always threatning to blow my head off if I leave or to kill me and cut me up into tiny pieces that he could feed to the animlas so that no one would ever find me. For along time I just thought it was just talk and it only was because he was mad, but now my little 5 year old is picking up on some of the things he says, the other night he wanted to know why dad was going to rip moms head off and what he would do without a mom, I know I need to leave, but how do you get away? Do I go for my sanity or do I stay for my kids he is a terrific dad and both of my children love him very much, but I dont want my son to grow up thinking that it is ok to treat women this way. I have also gained weight since we have been married and he has pointed out no one would date me, I am not sure if I want to spend my life alone. I am rambling and I am sorry I am just very confused. Anyone with good advise, maybe It is not that bad in my house.

  How do you get away?  This has many answers, as to physically away, some would say with your feet.   I am more than aware of  the many difficulties in making the shift from in love to getting away......there is lots in between.   I left my situation, but only until it got better and I was never able (or so I felt) to be gone for long..my children did not deserve to be uprooted from their things and home cause he was being an a s.  but...my husband slowly got the message that certain things wouldn't be tolerated, however my level of abuse was more indirect than yours.  Everyone has to decide for themselves "how bad" as no one can make that decision for you, only themselves.

 

  The best rule of thumb is: if you have to ask others how bad, the truth is you already know and feel it is bad to you and for your children.  You have already acknowledged it, you are just looking for a way to deny it or "wish" it away.  It will not change what is.  What is really  wanted is someone to convice us to "override" our instinctive "radar" of this is NOT acceptible.  Trouble is if you override and accept, it usually esculates over time, maybe it will never get physical, but it is the IMPLIED threat that is controlling you, and clouding you self preservation modes, to include NOT being threatened, especially in front of the children.

 

What is more, you are smarter than you give yourself credit for (been told you were dumb too many times?) You recognize the control, you internally reject it.

 

  So to me you have already found your answers and are ready to move into the "what now?" phase and that can be the most difficult process.  I would suggest reconnecting with friends and family, even if HE doesn't know.  They can help you more than you ever know.  Income is nice, but as many have said with the right support ,NOT immediately your major concern.  Many try counseling and it seems to be a love hate relationship with counselors, many find the help they need, some do not.

 

  This site is a good place for validation, information, and other support to help navigate "murky" waters of the "what now" . Stick around PS, the examples you gave have implications beyond what you can now realize.........don't minimize them.........this is not mentally healthy for you or your kids, but then you already know that.

 
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May 26, 2007, 5:23 am PDT

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I just wanted to say I know just how you feel I have been married for almost 11 years and also have two children, my husband has only hit a couple of times but he is constantly putting me down and threatning to put a gun to my head and kill me. I used to know who I was and what I wanted to be and now I dont even know who I am anymore I have lost most of my friends because he didnt like them and my I am too embarassed to let my family know that I cant stand up for myself.

 So what you are embarrassed. It is he that should be, don't accept his blame. Would you be embarrassed if it was happening to someone else or angry?  It is hard not to feel "shamed" as they are good at making it "our fault" and we are good at making it "our fault". 

 

 Fault is relative. Reality is what has to be dealt with.  Your reality is this is making you fearfull, doubt yourself, and wanting away.  Deal with reality

 

.  Let your family be there for you, if they can.  Surely they too have "embarrassing" stuff, they dealt with? When you finding yourself giving up what is a part of you, it is time to realize they (our spouses) are "overstepping" and it only isolates us further. 

 

 This is classical, we women are overendowed with the wanting to please "gene",  if someone makes you do something, then you have forfieted control of self, I know, without self, you don't exist.  That is why so many of us feel "lost".  Find yourself, and you will find strength you didn't know you  had.  Abusive men are like krypton to superman.  Get away from the krypton, MENTALLY, and superwoman will begin to emerge. 

 
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May 26, 2007, 5:42 am PDT

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   With the belief that knowledge and education are not a luxury, but a necessity, I share with you the folloing:

 

  From - "A letter from Ann Bradley to all who have been abused....It is painful to be deceived and in chaos from their manipulations.  Waiting for them to get better is futile......"

 

   My personal "light bulb" moment:

 

 "Characteristic of the Narcissist and others with personality disorders.

1.  Self-centred - his needs are paramount

2.  No remorse for mistakes or misdeeds

3.  Unreliable, undependable

4.  Does not care about the consequences of his actions

5.  Projects his faults on to others.  High blaming behaviour, never his fault.

6.  Little if any conscience.

7.  Insensitive to needs and feelings of others.

8.  Has a good front (persona) to impress and exploit others.

9.  Low stress tolerance.  Easy to anger and reage.

10.People are to be manipulated for his needs.

11.Rationalizeds easily.  Twists conversation to his gain at other's expense.  If trapped, keeps talking, changes the subject, or gets angry.

12Pathological liar.

13.Tremendous need to control situations, conversations, other.

14.No real values.  Mostly situational

15.Often perceived as caring and understanding and uses this to manipulate.

16.Angry, mercurial moods.

17.Uses sex to control.

18.Does not share ideas, feelings, emotions

19.Conversation controller.  Must have the first and last word.

20.Is very slow to forgive others.  Hangs onto resentment

21.Secret life.  Hides money, friends, activities.

22.Likes annoying others.  Like to create chaos

23.Moody  - swtches from nice guy to anger without much provocation.

25.Seldom expresses remorse.

26.Grandiose - convinced he knows more than others and is correct in all he does.

27.Lacks ability to see how he comes across to others.  Defensive when confronted with his behaviour.  Never his fault

28.Can get emotional, tearful.  This is about show or frustration rather than sorrow.

29.he breaks women's spirits to keep them dependent.

30.Needs threats, intimidations to keep others close to him.

31.Sabotages partner.  Wants her to be happy only through him and to have few or no outside interests and acquaintances.

32.Highly contradictory.

33.Convincing.  Must convince people to side with him.

34.Hides his real self.  Always "on".

35.Kind only if he's getting from you what he wants.

36.He has to be right.  he has to win.  He has to look good.

37.He announces, not discusses.  He tells, not asks.

38. Does not discuss openly, has a hidden agenda.

39.Controls money of others, but spends freeely on himself.

40.Unilateral condition of "I'm OK and justified so I don't need to hear your position or ideas.'

41.Always feels misunderstood.

42.You feel miserable with this person.  He drains you.

43.Does not listen because he does not care.

44.His feelings are discussed, not the partner's.

45.Is not interested in problem solving.

46.Very good at reading people, so he can manipulate them."

           -www.narcissisticabuse.com

   Apparently they also have "the emotional maturity of an advanced 6-year old."

 

   Run!!!  For your very life.

 

    May you discover peace.

 

 

 Thanks Indigo, I have been to every site on the web on this "personality type" which in reality is a total lack of true human like,  personality, but rather like living a drama onstage 24/7 with yourself not even in a "supporting role" you will have no limelight, not dialog, and be unable to act with any emotion. 

 

  This breakdown of traits is by far the best I have ever seen, to fully describe the "quirks" and manipulative tactics of a narcissistic person. 

 

  If and when I do show such to my husband (don't even bother now, and I could add they wear blinders to others feedback unless ALWAYS positive and they  must be "acknowledged  and praised constantly only in the most glowing  affirmative, he basically says, "I know you are but what am I", and projects ALL his to the tenth degree "faults" back as being yours not his.

 

  I would also add they have the capacity to deny anything and everything negative and are much like teflon, nothing sticks, but slides right off.   They will use any information you share and process it like a computer to manipulate or hurt YOU. 

 

They are universally impossible to communicate with on any level, unless it is all positive about them, but in true hypocrisy,  they constantly find the negative and fault in you and  others. They view the world from the high of a god almighty, and scorn the "little people" down below.  You will NEVER find yourself an equal with a narcissistic person. Not even close, and they use and lose people as a rule.  They are truly EMOTIONAL dracula's. You are needed for your humanity, affirmation, and supply of blood ONLY.

 

Thanks, don't EVEN get me started here on the "upside down, polar opposites" of narcissistic people.   RUN RUN RUN  oh year don't forget arrogant, and postulating and always "on stage".

 
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May 26, 2007, 12:21 pm PDT

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 You  begin, and have already, by asking YOURSELF the hard questions.  Take heart clearly you are the the first woman to have "suprises" along the lines of "who is this mean man, where did the man I married go, and what do I do now", hit her. With abusive men, this play out of Jeckly hyde is VERY common.  The con till married, then the real comes out.

 

  To me, the differences between men and women are.  When a woman falls in love or marries she gives herself completely to that love and to maintaining it "at all costs".  It is what we are raised and trained to do. (at least in my generation or the first half of it.)  A man, not so true, as society and probably their fathers, long ago "evolved" backwards out of giving entirely of self.  We are so far from the "original" purpose of a man and woman joining together as life partners, and "equals" and one time only love, that many men feel "lost and controlled" to give themselves completely in love.  They equate love with getting sex. (ok, not ALL men) but a good deal do, and they stop there.

 

Because you gave, I suspect ,completely, the idea of backtracking out of a bad situation, seem s"foreign", not right, wimping out, not committed enough.  It goes against "training" and YOUR expectations once you "gave completely".  This is hard to overcome.   All our lives, yes even in modern times, this is what we "commit" to do.  We also feel such a committment cannot be broken "lightly" so we ruminate to ourselves  what does till death do we part mean?

 

We spend so much time worrying over breaking the committment OURSELVES, that we fail to see the way our spouses are treating us, CLEARLY shows they "broke the vow"  promise or committment, so in reality we are trying to fix or committ to something already beyond repair.  Broken vows..........broken committment.  What I did was rehash the "vows" and the words and slowly I realized, it was HE not keeping his end of the emotional or  legal bargin, we agreed to.  Just coming home everynight is just that coming home everynight. It is not "keeping the vow" or promise. You have to get over what you want or expect and see what IS, you are beginning to do that, don't feel GUILTY. You are not responsible for what is, only to see that it is not what YOU agreed to. What choices do you  have, now that you see you have two people NOT even on the same page......going nowwhere. 

 

At this point, with only one going in the "right" direction you have an at odds tug of war, not a committment for two to be one.  So, already the marriage has "failed", promises vows broken, by no fault of your own as you still intend or wish to honor your HALF of the agreement, and probably are.

 

This "contract broken" aspect, helped me to see more clear as to what IS, not what I wanted or expected. YOu have to deal with what is at some point in time. It also helped me to see, marriage is designed to take two, you both agreed to work to the same goals by taking the same"vows" and he dishonored them. It is like he thinks he can slip in an "exception or exempt" clause in that ONLY benefits him. NOT.

 

  When that happens(and goes uncorrected)  it  (the marriage) is techinically already over, if not legally. (deal breaker as Dr. Phil says)  NO need to guilt yourself.  The betrayal and disappointment you feel is your brains way of telling you HE IS NOT HONORING THE CONTRACT.  Yet, you still feel obligated, you took it seriously and gave completely.  This is hard to undo, MENTALLY.  Some relationship "experts" even tell us, the women, one person can "fix" a relationship, Dr. Phil is one of them, but personally I do not believe only one can fix what was by design requiring the effort of two.  If you take ALL responsibility, you will be conducting a "marriage" of one.  This is a "misunderstanding" as the very word marriage means a joining of two (or more). Marriage is not a singular term.

 

The only way or at least the beginning for me, was to realize the REALITIES and MY limitations to correct them.  I could not honor HIS half of the agreement FOR him.  Only he could do that, and apparently he "wasn't interested" in keeping the contract and by that, he released me from "guilt" or retaining "false" expectations.  It helped get "perspective".  When nothing works, it is because someone doesn't REALLY want it to. 

Thank you ....Thank You....Thank You....After reading your reply it was the first time I felt like I was not alone...that someone else  "got" what I am going through.  I am struggling with the fact that I am married and I married him planning to be together forever. This was commitment not made lightly on my part, I was happy and I wanted to make that commitment to him...I wanted to be the best wife I could be...I thought he wanted the same.. I am still keeping up my end of the contract and he has failed it so many times. I struggle with "till death do us part" "for sickness and in health"... I made this commitment... after his attempt of suicide and admittance to the hospital, I thought "I can't do this anymore" "I can't support this man's emotional problems" "I am too young for this" but the other side is telling me that I married this man.. I promised to love him..I promised to be there for him in good times and bad times.. and this was definitely bad times.. As I continue with counseling I am trying to figure out what I want, what I can accept and for the first time since I got married 2 yrs ago ..I need to seriously look at "what is" not what I expected or what I desire...what is really happening in my marriage and at what point do I say enough is enough and walk away guilt free...

 

My whole life my parents controlled me with guilt ...not that my parents weren't great parents they just used guilt a lot as a way set us on the right path in life... they love me very much but to this day  I feel guilty when I think my parent's are not approving of my actions or if I am unable to fulfill a request for them. My husband as also learned that guilt can go a long way....even know 90% of the time I have absolutely no reason to feel guilty...yet I do... so again thank you maybe looking at in the sense he has failed his vows to me...he broke the contract... maybe there is no real marriage here..just the idea of it...

 

I am glad I came here as this is the first time i think i am ready to deal with "what is"..... i don't know how I ever let myself get to this point but regardless I don't think i can get out alone anymore....not as strong of a women as i thought i was...

 
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May 26, 2007, 12:48 pm PDT

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Quote From: wildwood

  I wanted to add to your situation, a thought.  I worry about stating it so, but here goes. Many times a suicide attempt is a last ditch effort (manipulative) attempt to CONTROL you into giving him the ok, to be controlling and manipulative.  It can also indicate a "mental breakdown" or the inability to "stay in denial" and being forced to look at the REAL him, and HIS problems. 

 

The best thing you can do, is "set up help" or help him get help, then walk away and let HIM and the professionals do the work. I know this seems cruel and you worry about him going over the edge, but if you let this "threat" work, you will be dealing with it all your life.  When "called out" my huband had a "breakdown" of sorts (control, projection called what it was) and he still "avoids" full responsibility for HIS actions, as it is too painful to really "deal with himself".  It is a daily battle as he tried to put his blame onto me.  If people have used poor coping skills (anger manipulations, lies) all their lives to cake and eat it too, or as a defense.......they often "lose it" mentally if called or caught.  To put it simply they have no way to cope if they can cope "dysfunctionally".  He needs professional help to unravel his self.  You cannot do this, nor be an easy target to take his blame or do his work for him.  This won't help anyone.

I do get that this suicide attempt may have been an attempt to control our marriage or other aspects of his life.  As hard as it is for me I have committed this time to letting him deal with "his" problems. They are not my problems.. Not that I don't have problems but "I" am dealing with them with my counselor.  It is hard for sure but he has at this point followed through with anger management, has just went to a session of counseling and states he is committed to bi-weekly appts. He is going to first psychiatrist appt. next week due to waiting lists beyond his control. This time I am not going to offer my suggestions ...I will be here to support him for a little while but I do expect change... He has been set up with the best professional help I could find (as I have social work background) and it will now be up to him what he chooses to do with these resources ...whether he is ready to deal with his life...If I had not gone to a counselor I believe I would have let this suicide attempt give him the OK to be controlling and manipulative...I can see how it can happen.. it was an extremely emotional time dealing with your "husband" trying to kill himself and there is nothing you can do... it is up to him to make his life decisions..yet still emotional hard to put all these words into action...
 

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Some re-runs ...

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Funny thing  about  this abuse the men perpetrate on the women and their children.

 

The tactics are the same...the games are the same...they are not original.

 

Turn and twist things to suit their needs.  Its called "crazy making" and some of them resort to drastic tactics like "gas-lighting."  Scary and EVIL .

 

Turned and twisted and blamed on the victim.   Thats the name of the game.

 

THEY NEVER MISS THE POINT....BUT THEY PRETEND AND ACT AS IF THEY DO.

 

It leaves the doubt...the heart ache...the unresolved issues always hanging and part of the on going continual abuse that hangs over all your thoughts whether they are in the room or not.

 

You all are effective communicators.....and you are getting heard....but they intensionally will not allow you to know that....they continue with more abuse tactics to hurt and discourage you...to break you down....inch by inch in any way they can....the hurt, pain, frustration, the un acknowledgment the non validation keeps you  broken over and over again.   

 

They walk off with the upper hand.

 

They walk off satisfied that you are not on top.

 

They walk away feeling they succeeded.

 

They turn and twisted things to keep you off balance and in control....under his dysfunction.  Its intensional and they enjoy the game.

 

 

Thought I'd post some re-runs.

 

Some resources and informational posts.

 

 

This for the weekend.

 

 

 

 

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May 26, 2007, 6:46 pm PDT

reading material...a resource

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http://www.heart-2-heart.ca/women/page3.html

 

"Emotional abuse is a devastating, debilitating heart and soul mutilation.
The deepest lasting wound with any abuse is the emotional wound."  - Robert Burney
Abusers brainwash their intimate partners using methods similar to those of prison guards who recognize that physical control is never easily accomplished without the cooperation of the prisoner. The most effective way to gain that cooperation is through subversive manipulation of the mind and feelings of the victim, who then becomes a psychological, as well as a physical, prisoner. These methods form the core of abuse.

 

NO, this does not mean your partner is a supremely intelligent individual. It means they are a dysfunctional abusive person. Those highly effective techniques for manipulation are a natural part of who they are. As you will read under Inside the Mind of An Abuser, these people are all pretty much the same type of character... sharing a great many thinking patterns and behaviors.

The abuser keeps the victim unaware of what is going on and what changes are taking place. Your partner might control your finances, make plans for you, or even talk or gossip about you to others behind your back in order to isolate you from them.

The abuser controls the victim's time and physical environment, and works to suppress much of the victim's old behavior. Your partner might have insisted that you stop certain social, hobby, or work activities. He may have moved you to a new location, farther away from your family and other supportive contacts.

The abuser instills in the victim a sense of powerlessness, fear, and dependency. Verbal and emotional abuse amplifies these emotions, and they become stronger and stronger over time. Your partner puts forth a closed system of logic, and allows no real input or criticism. In other words... What he says, goes.


  Abusive Breakdown Tactics - the tools of abuse

Here are some of the tactics abuser's use to hurt you... to take you down and keep you there. How many do you recognize?

 Verbal Assaults: Berating, belittling, criticizing, name calling, screaming, threatening, excessive blaming, and using sarcasm and humiliation. Blowing flaws out of proportion and making fun of you in front of others. Over time, this type of abuse erodes your sense of self confidence and self-worth.

 Domination: The abuser wants to control your every action. They have to have their own way, and will resort to threats to get it. When you allow someone else to dominate you, you can lose respect for yourself.

 Emotional Blackmail: The abuser plays on your fear, guilt, compassion, values, or other "hot buttons" to get what they want. This could include threats to end the relationship, the "cold shoulder," or use other controlling fear tactics.

 Gaslighting: The other person may deny that certain events occurred or that certain things were said. You know differently. The other person may deny your perceptions, memory and very sanity. It is this act of abuse which makes you begin to think you are crazy or losing your mind.

 Unpredictable Responses: Drastic mood changes or sudden emotional outbursts. Whenever someone in your life reacts very differently at different times to the same behavior from you, tells you one thing one day and the opposite the next, or likes something you do one day and hates it the next, you are being abused with unpredictable responses.

This behavior is damaging because it puts you always on edge. You're always waiting for the other shoe to drop, and you can never know what's expected of you. You must remain hypervigilant, waiting for the other person's next outburst or change of mood.

An alcoholic or drug abuser is likely to act this way. Living with someone like this is tremendously demanding and anxiety provoking, causing the abused person to feel constantly frightened, unsettled and off balance.

 Abusive Expectations: The other person places unreasonable demands on you and wants you to put everything else aside to tend to their needs. It could be a demand for constant attention, frequent sex, or a requirement that you spend all your free time with the person. But no matter how much you give, it's never enough. You are subjected to constant criticism, and you are constantly berated because you don't fulfill all this person's needs.

 Constant Chaos: The other person may deliberately start arguments and be in constant conflict with others. The person may be "addicted to drama" since it creates excitement.

 

 

 

How can we help you?

 

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May 26, 2007, 6:54 pm PDT

Verbal abuse

Quote From: cocoamomma

Patricia Evans:

 

"When the victim of verbal abuse realizes that she was not loved, only controlled, she grieves the lack of love because she knows that she is lovable."

 

   

 

 

"The verbally abusive realtionship" by Patrica Evans
     "You cannont change anymore.  If your mate is abusive and does not choose to change, you may have to confront the reality that you cannot live a healthy life in an unhealthy environment.  You were not meant to live your life being on guard, ever prepared to respond to abuse.  Furthermore, the absence of abuse does not necessarily guarantee a warm, caring, happy relationship."

 

 

 

The national domestic violence hotline: 1-800-799-SAFE (7233).                          

 

 

 

Patricia Evans

 

 

www.verbalabuse.com

 

 

 

 

 

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May 26, 2007, 6:59 pm PDT

New comers this will help with some questions

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Power & control wheel

The Duluth Model Power and Control Wheel

This will help with some explanations and questions.

 

Any questions,

 

or need help with application.

 

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