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April 7, 2008, 2:26 pm PDT

Hi Marcia... about your son...

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Dear Q and All,
My son does have a psychiatrist and group counseling at a mental health clinic that charges on a sliding scale. He tells the psych what he knows the Dr. wants to hear just so he can get his meds refilled. (He also "supplements" his Rx's with illegal purchases and with alcohol.) He is not is rehab, but I am encouraging him every day to go. He lives several hours from us and swears he is not suicidal, so he will have to admit himself.

My fears about leaving are:
1. My state doesn't have provisions for legal separation. I guess I would need to pack up all the things I want to keep and take them with me...a daunting idea (and a poor excuse I now see.)

2. I need our medical insurance coverage.

3. I need him to keep making my car payment if I have to pay rent somewhere.

4. Separation and/or divorce will alienate me from my daughter's family (the grandchildren!!!) because they believe I should stay on religious grounds and that this "marriage" is my cross-to-b ear. The pain from their viewpoint is awfully painful. The guilt from "sinning" by divorcing without the "biblical" reason of an affair is wearing on me greatly. They think that as a divorced woman, I will be a bad influence on their little family. And they have said they do not want me to move to their town to be closer to the grandchildren, unless I am still married and husband moves with me.

5. Although I have no trouble being alone, in my mind I am terrified of becoming the old woman in "that house" with 4,000 cats, who talks to herself rather than to people, and who dies all alone because she can't afford medical care. It just freaks me out!!! My imagination has gotten the best of me, hasn't it?

6. In my state, I am entitled to half if we divorce. I already feel guilty about taking half of his retirement account, but I feel perfectly okay with taking half of the equity in the house...except that he would have to buy me out and be that much more in debt and it would be "my fault" that he will have to pay all of that off on his own...boo hoo, boo hoo.

7. Hey, but what about me? I have put my heart and soul into this marriage and literally kept our family together over the years. Now that the kids are adults, I realize this is not how I should have to live the rest of my life.

I have some more work to do on myself. I am presently reading "Living with the Passive Aggressive Man". This guy describes not only my husband, but also me to a degree, and really describes my son! this is painful, but I will move forward.

Thanks so much for being here, all of you. this is so much help for me...to know that i am not crazy nor alone.

Oh man... this is bad...

 

Your son isn't serious about quitting.  This may be really hard for you to read but he is playing the system.

 

You have two choices 1) continue to buy his lies and watch him relapse, or 2) report him the authorities (i.e. the police and his psychologist and support group(s)).

 

I am glad he isn't suicidal.  But he is extremely sick.  I am so sorry for your pain and for that decision on top of so many others.

 

Q

 
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April 7, 2008, 2:49 pm PDT

Marcia... about your fears...

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Dear Q and All,
My son does have a psychiatrist and group counseling at a mental health clinic that charges on a sliding scale. He tells the psych what he knows the Dr. wants to hear just so he can get his meds refilled. (He also "supplements" his Rx's with illegal purchases and with alcohol.) He is not is rehab, but I am encouraging him every day to go. He lives several hours from us and swears he is not suicidal, so he will have to admit himself.

My fears about leaving are:
1. My state doesn't have provisions for legal separation. I guess I would need to pack up all the things I want to keep and take them with me...a daunting idea (and a poor excuse I now see.)

2. I need our medical insurance coverage.

3. I need him to keep making my car payment if I have to pay rent somewhere.

4. Separation and/or divorce will alienate me from my daughter's family (the grandchildren!!!) because they believe I should stay on religious grounds and that this "marriage" is my cross-to-b ear. The pain from their viewpoint is awfully painful. The guilt from "sinning" by divorcing without the "biblical" reason of an affair is wearing on me greatly. They think that as a divorced woman, I will be a bad influence on their little family. And they have said they do not want me to move to their town to be closer to the grandchildren, unless I am still married and husband moves with me.

5. Although I have no trouble being alone, in my mind I am terrified of becoming the old woman in "that house" with 4,000 cats, who talks to herself rather than to people, and who dies all alone because she can't afford medical care. It just freaks me out!!! My imagination has gotten the best of me, hasn't it?

6. In my state, I am entitled to half if we divorce. I already feel guilty about taking half of his retirement account, but I feel perfectly okay with taking half of the equity in the house...except that he would have to buy me out and be that much more in debt and it would be "my fault" that he will have to pay all of that off on his own...boo hoo, boo hoo.

7. Hey, but what about me? I have put my heart and soul into this marriage and literally kept our family together over the years. Now that the kids are adults, I realize this is not how I should have to live the rest of my life.

I have some more work to do on myself. I am presently reading "Living with the Passive Aggressive Man". This guy describes not only my husband, but also me to a degree, and really describes my son! this is painful, but I will move forward.

Thanks so much for being here, all of you. this is so much help for me...to know that i am not crazy nor alone.

You've got one doozie of fear.

 

1.  I don't ever recommend legal separation.  Why?  Because it is like getting divorced TWICE.  You have to go through filing suit, getting a hearing, gathering evidence and having a final hearing.  Then you have to do it all over again.  When you are really ready to leave, file for divorce.  It's cheaper, it's quicker, it's more humane for everyone.

 

2.  Your husband would be legally required to continue your medical insurance until your divorce is final. 

 

3.  It is not in your husband's best interest to stop making the car payment.  But rational thinking sometimes isn't at the forefront during a divorce.  If he did stop making the payment, the car would be repossessed and both of you would lose the equity in the car.  If you filed for divorce he would also be prohibited from selling the car out from under you until a final property settlement was agreed upon and signed off on by the judge.

 

4.  This is the doozie.  They are holding a really harsh and judgmental view without having lived in your shoes.  I suppose your daughter has lived with you under the same roof, but that is entirely different from being married to your husband.  It is a sad, sad, even devastating fact, that some families are simply not supportive.  The truth is... that they are wrong for not supporting you.  They don't know what kind of influence you will be until you are divorced (hence the judgment).  And for them to withhold those beautiful grandbabies from you is extremely cruel.  But the withholding sounds eerily familiar, doesn't it?

 

5.  The reason, is the deep-down reason why many, many woman stay in their abusive relationships much longer than they should.  They are afraid of being alone.  It's kind of funny ... that my dream of being the old lady with 80 cats (and the beautiful garden) living down the street sounds really nice to me ... but I guess it's all in your perspective, right?  The reality is... that even if you divorced at 80, the odds are really great that you would find love again.  Why?  Because former victims of abuse, make wonderful, caring, loving, partners.  Usually we get scarfed up right away.  Sometimes if we haven't learned our lessons about how to stop the abuse cycle in our lives we end up right back in abusive relationships.  Other times we learn our lessons well and attract equally wonderful partners.  I know I did and I know MANY MANY others who have too.  I know a few who have stayed alone but it was because that is what THEY wanted.  I think you will be surprised when the time comes and you do decide to live YOUR LIFE the way YOU WANT, that you can choose to surround yourself with as many marvelous, healthy people as you see fit.

 

6. My Ex didn't feel guilty about taking 1/2 of my 401K.  We have those laws for a REASON.  The reasons are perfectly legitimate especially if the spouse has spent a ginormous part of their life working for NO PAY like at-home Mom's and Dad's do.  He also got 1/2 the house and 1/2 the debt.  That's the way it works.  STOP feeling guilty.  You worked for and with him for HOW MANY years?  You deserve equal compensation.

 

7.  EXACTLY RIGHT!  I knew you were a smart woman when I read your first post! 

 

Definitely NOT crazy or alone.  Keep up that counseling!! 

 

You are already on the road to recovery even if it doesn't feel like it.

 

BRAVO!  Q

 
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April 7, 2008, 2:56 pm PDT

Hey Rose...

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I am writing in response to Monday's (3/30/08) show. I have recently left an abusive marriage. I was with him for 25 years. I tried several times to leave but always came back for whatever reason, even now I sometimes have thoughts of going back . I have been gone for almost 5 months now, staying with friends, and believe that I will get better eventually. My situation was very similar to Keri's. My husband has split my head open, knocked to the ground and put the boots to me so bad that my legs were bruise from my hip to the knee, shot the driver's side window out of my car while I was trying to leave. To say nothing of the every day verbal and emotional abuse. During the past 25 years I had never reported him to police because i was afraid of what he would do to me if I did, finally the last time I did report him. He was arrested approx. 24 hrs. after the incident and was able to immediately post bail. Then the DA declined to prosecute.  Maybe if I had been hospitalized or put in the morgue things would have been different. But I was put into contact with the local women's shelter. I am now looking at moving out of my friend's home into a place of my own. I still have limited contact with my husband and am not telling about getting my own place. I have found a job and will not have to ask him for money. I am afraaid that he will come to where I am staying. He is still thinking that I am going back to him and I guess I am using that to give myself more time before he realizes that I am finally done with the abuse, i am not wiliing to live that way any more. Even now I still fear for my life when he does realize that I won't be back.

Wow!  What a story of strength and courage!

 

You know, I still have nightmares about my Ex tricking me into getting remarried again.  STILL and it's been about 10 years since my divorce. 

 

I can say thought that things DO GET BETTER but it takes time -- lots of time.

 

All I can say about going back is.... it never gets any better. 

 

If you have nothing tying you to the area, I'd suggest you leave the state.

 

If you do have things tying you to the area and choose not to leave, you need to have a safety plan and you need to set up your living environment so that you are as protected as possible.

 

Hang in there.  Q

 
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April 7, 2008, 3:01 pm PDT

There are some excellent books on the subject too...

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I found a couple of interesting web sites tonight :

http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2007/october/20.26.html

and

http://divorceremarriage.blogspot.com/2007/10/john-piper-corrects-misconceptions.html

I feel more hopeful.

No Place for Abuse: Biblical & Practical Resources to Counteract Domestic Violence by Catharine Kroeger and Nancy Nason-Clark

 

The Battered Wife: How Christians Confront Family Violence by Nancy Nason-Clark

 

Keeping the Faith : Guidance for Christian Women Facing Abuse by Marie Fortune

 

 

 

Couple of others...

It's My Life Now : Starting Over After an Abusive Relationship or Domestic Violence By Meg Dugan

 

Encouragements for the Emotionally Abused Woman: Wisdom and Hope for Women At Any Stage of Emotional Abuse Recovery by Beverly Engel

 

Emotional Unavailability : Recognizing It, Understanding It, and Avoiding Its Trap by Bryn Collins

 

Passive-Aggression: A Guide for the Therapist, the Patient and the Victim by Martin Kantor

 

Your Perfect Right by Robert Alberti and Michael Emmons (Assertiveness and Equality in your Life and Relationships)

 

 

Happy reading!

 

Education is KEY to stopping abuse in YOUR LIFE!  KEY! KEY! KEY!

 

Q

 
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April 7, 2008, 3:02 pm PDT

PS...

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I found a couple of interesting web sites tonight :

http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2007/october/20.26.html

and

http://divorceremarriage.blogspot.com/2007/10/john-piper-corrects-misconceptions.html

I feel more hopeful.

Thanks for the sites... I'll check them out.

 

Add them to my list of resources.

 

Q

 
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April 7, 2008, 3:14 pm PDT

My dear dear sjscared...

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I hope someone that reads this may be able to help me.  I have been married for approx. 2 1/2 yrs to a very controlling husband.  He is a self made millionaire, although now I am not so sure how he did make his money after some of the things I've seen.  We got engaged in 2005, he lived in a home on the beach but rented it out for the summers.  He moved in with me for the next year, rent, food, bill free.  During that time I quit my job because I did not want to be forced to fire people I felt were good workers.  He's reaction to that should have been a sign of what was to come.  He ranted and raved and told me I was thinking of no one but myself.  He then proceeded to tell me our engagement party was not going to happen.  Skip ahead and yes, we did have the party in September, it was beautiful!  In December my 10 year old son accidently spilled a pot of hot water on me...After the initial shock of it, I made a foolish mistake of taking the pants off, which in turn pulled all the skin off my leg.  I quickly put ice and I had burn cream from when I worked in a medical unit.  Clearly, I needed to go to the hospital, I had third degree burns, I was shaking and needed antibiotic and a possible tetnus shot.  My soon to be husband would not take me.  (He said everything will be ok)  my daughter who at the time just got a learners permit drove in a snow storm to get me sterile gauze and tape to wrap it.  He then had the nerve to yell at me for letting her go out after dark on a permit license.  Here again another red light I choose to ignore.

 

February rolls around the 14th and we are in barbadoes getting married, my husband loves confrontation and had an argument with the photographer becuase he wanted more more pictures but didn't want to pay for them.  The bigger part of that situation is he felt I sided with the man and not him.  He left that evening on our honeymoon, and didn't come back until the following day when we were leaving telling me when we got home we were going to get a divorce.

 

Hope you have this so far.  We purchase a beautiful home together and I eventually sell my other home.  When we made settlement, I had left 140,000.00  I quickly paid off my car, my daughters car (a loan from the husband), and put the rest in the bank.  He would not stop tormenting me about that money, telling me do you think you are going to live scott free?  I replied--I paid for every piece of furniture in our home, was paying for all the grocery's cleaning products, and all the needs of my children. (two are in college and one is now 12).

 

I finally realized unless I gave him this money, I would have no peace.  We discussed at length what we should do with the money, pay down the mortage or invest it as he has a lot of his money.  He is very smart when it comes to making those kind of decisions.  The only trade off that I asked for was to be able to stay home with my son.  I have always worked 50 hours a week as a single parent, made sure my children went to the best colleges, and did everything I could for them.

 

He agreed I could stay home.  I did, I have OCD so I don't have to tell you how clean our home is.  it's 4 bedroom 3 1/2 baths 2 story.  My husband also has a son who is 23 years old that lives with us.  He stays in his room 24 hours a day.  Has never had a job, and collects permantely disability and probably will never work in his life.  I tried exposing him to college by making him take a course.  I thought maybe he would at least make one friend.  THen I signed him up for the YMCA spinning class.  He went with my husband, but never but anything into it, and never went back.

 

Oh, before I forget, I told you in the beginning my husband is very controlling, and as long as I stay within his guidelines of what he feels I should be doing everything is ok. 

 

My husband and I routinely argue, and at the time (last year), after we would have a fight, he would leave for days to god knows where (he's retired), and I would have a glass of wine to calm down, or maybe that was ten glasses of wine.  I ended up putting myself in Alcohol Annonomyous!  I love it.  Although I never was arrested or had to go to rehab like so many of my friends there, it gives me a real appreciation for what people have gone through to get to this point.

 

As our marriage continued to crumble, especially since I no longer drink, (my husband has an extensive wine collection here, plus a lot of hard liquor), things became more clear and I didn't want to go to his fancy friends parties andymore and pretend. 

 

We started marriage counceling after Christmas as my husband told me this was it, if this doesn't work we are getting a divorce.  He is always threatening me.  Counceling was difficult because my husband had a hard time telling the truth about most everything.  I explained to the councelor that my husband has Hepitits C from sharing a dirty needle with his friends when he was in his twenty;s and some how never mention this to me before we got married.  The Doctor  nor my husband seemed very concerned.  We went over the next few months with little to no results.  Our marriage is very cyclical.  We go two to three good days and then he turns into someone else.  He even get's this look in his eyes that's almost evil.  It's like someone through a switch.

 

We now come to the present.  His son is away in Pennsylvania for two weeks, so I decided to clean his filthy room and do his seven loads of laundry.  I found in his room two mason jars of Everclear alcohol, and a bag containing pills, a pipe, syringe, the bands that you tie off around your arm, alcohol 2x2's and a lighter.  I confronted my husband and his response was I am f***ng sick of you.  My son doesn't do drugs, they are not real. and he was using them for his movie about drugs.  I know for a fact that the pills are real, and my Mother is taking one of the little baggies of what looks to be dope to a police friend who is going to run a test on it.  I do not believe my husband, but he was like a raving loonatic!  This morning before he left, he's a porsche instructor, he threw a hairbrush I guess to scare me, and told me that the laptop I purchased is going back and the root canal my daughter just had, he wants to be paid back.  He no longer wants to pay for their cell phones, or car insurance.  He also has taken away my joint credit card-I use this to purchase food, or items for the beach rental home.  I never use it to buy myself clothes, to go shopping or on anything for myself.

 

When he is in these states, he degrades me, until I no longer can take it and he wins and I start to cry because it hurts so bad.  I have an anxiety disorder that I have had for years.  He plays on that saying you have a mental disorder your f***ng nuts and everyone knows it.  Sometimes after he yells and screams for so long, I start to feel guilty and almost beg him to please don't divorce me.

 

I am in a situation where all my money is locked up in this home, I have no real accessible money to put my hands on and I am scared he will throw me and my twelve year old out.  My twleve year old only lives with me every other week.  We have shared custody.

 

So...If there is anyone with advice for this ugly life I'm in, I would greatly appreciate it.  I am brand new to writing here, so please do not yell or scream at me I am already sinking fast.

 

With respect!C

Welcome to the board!

 

I have read some of your story very briefly.  Unfortunately I am out of time for today.

 

But I do have some things I want to tell you.

 

#1)  You are NOT NUTS!   (My hubby told me I was too.  He was wrong too.)  But I totally understand how you might feel like you are.  Your life is a train wreck, is it not? 

#2)  You are not alone.  There are so many other women out there and here on this board who live just like you do -- in total and complete misery. 

#3)  This is a safe place.  Sometimes we are blunt -- I will always try to tell it like it is  -- just ask anybody here.  But we are also very caring, like most victims and former victims of abuse, we really do care.  We know what you are going through because we've been through it ourselves. 

 

I will try to write something more for you tomorrow.

Q

 

 
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April 7, 2008, 3:22 pm PDT

To Mama_cat...

On my desk is a book about Inner Peace. 

 

When I read that you were so down, I opened it up and it turned almost by itself to the page called:

 

Day One

 

The secret of Inner Peace

 

is self-control; not scattering your energies, but holding them in check and directing them usefully.

 

 

Know that I care. Q

 
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April 7, 2008, 4:58 pm PDT

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Welcome to the board!

 

I have read some of your story very briefly.  Unfortunately I am out of time for today.

 

But I do have some things I want to tell you.

 

#1)  You are NOT NUTS!   (My hubby told me I was too.  He was wrong too.)  But I totally understand how you might feel like you are.  Your life is a train wreck, is it not? 

#2)  You are not alone.  There are so many other women out there and here on this board who live just like you do -- in total and complete misery. 

#3)  This is a safe place.  Sometimes we are blunt -- I will always try to tell it like it is  -- just ask anybody here.  But we are also very caring, like most victims and former victims of abuse, we really do care.  We know what you are going through because we've been through it ourselves. 

 

I will try to write something more for you tomorrow.

Q

 

I just wanted to say "thank you" for taking the time to respond.  You are right; at times I feel as though everything he says is correct.  My Mother & sister always try to tell me he is sick, but I end up feeling they love me and are required to to make me feel better.

 

I will in the coming weeks be motivated to to listen to people who have gone through similar situations and learn everything I can.  I have bought myself a book titled "Why Does He Do That"  I have to say it is very scary to read some of the things I am living on a daily basis.

 

Again, I thank you and look forward to hearing from you again.

 

 

 
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April 8, 2008, 1:46 am PDT

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I found a couple of interesting web sites tonight :

http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2007/october/20.26.html

and

http://divorceremarriage.blogspot.com/2007/10/john-piper-corrects-misconceptions.html

I feel more hopeful.
 I found a- site where you can read the whole book online.

http://www.tyndale.cam.ac.uk/Brewer/PPages/DRC/

Facinating reading. Thank you.
 
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April 8, 2008, 7:02 am PDT

Emotional Abuse

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I know how you feel.  I went to counseling after listening for years that I was the one with the problem.  I began to believe it, thinking I was losing it.  I went to counseling and learned it was verbal abuse, that it wasn't me.  I read your letter and I completely understand where you are coming from.  I was really concerned about how the verbal abuse would affect my two daughters.  My husband did attend a few sessions, just to quit in the middle of our therapy.  But the therapy did help me realize that is is not me.  She did recommend some books for me to read which helped me immensely.  They are both by Patricia Evans.  She first wrote the book 'The Verbally Abusive Relationship'.  She received many letters in response, and compiled them in a second book, 'Verbal Abuse Survivors Speak Out'.  I did find both of them at Barnes and Noble.  They are $11 each, but worth it's weight in gold!!!  For years I did not talk about what I was experiencing, because I truly believed it was me.  I lost all identity and felt that when I was home I could not be myself.  Then I started to read Relationship Rescue, when it dawned on me.  This is not how couples treat each other, and you need to demand more for yourself, you deserve better!!!!  The verbal abuse books spell it all out, it's like I wrote them myself!!!  Good Luck and my prayers are with you!
This is my first time posting to this board and I guess I'm reaching for someone to help me understand my situation.  I got married to a wonderful man just a short time ago, like 5 months.  The first few months were wonderful, but these last two months have been torture.  We are both in the military so it complicates the situation....we are stationed in two different parts of the world.  But, in the beginning we spoke everyday and seemed to be doing very well.  Two months ago, my husband just stopped talking to me.  He doesn't return any phone calls, doesn't respond to emails, and has pretty much fallen off the face of the earth.  Last month I was hospitalized for severe chest pain, my husband was contacted but he didn't come to the hospital nor did he send a message saying that he couldn't.  He was actually on the same post with me conducting training five miles from the hospital.  This broke my heart and doubled with the fact that he also has not spoken to his daughter who is 4 months pregnant with our grandchild.  I almost wish we would have had a wicked fight, at least then I could understand.  I'm loosing sight of who I am and asking myself daily what I did to deserve this....any advice.
 
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