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May 13, 2008, 8:40 am PDT

Courage & Hugs for Anita

Dear Anita:  I haven't been able to spend much time on the board.  However, your current situation really upset me and I wanted you to know how much I respect you as a mom and a women.  You have been dealt more than lemons and you continue to make lemonade by the gallon.  Please know you are in my prayers and I'm sending you positive "energy" to support you for Friday.  Even though Z is a baby, you are showing him and modeling for him what "Mom" truly means.  He may not understand all aspects of the issue, but your behavior sends positive energy to him and makes him feel safe because you are there protecting him.  Please know how much I admire you and feel you and Z will definitely break the abuse cycle because his Mom cared enough to find the answers, courage to fight for herself and him and wisdom to accept help and support from strangers. Sending you a warm supportive hug.

 

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May 13, 2008, 8:42 am PDT

Narcissistic behavior?!?

I don't know where to begin...it's been 25 years of constant mind games. I happen to be the eternal optimist...I think that's what kept me in this marriage for this long (the hope that things will get better), besides the fact that I believe that vows are not meant to be broken! I took a vow...I'm trying to honor it, but my goodness...most "normal" women would have left years and years ago! Is there something wrong with me that I have stayed in this abuse??

Here's the problem...this abuse is extremely stealth! It is very very hard to put your finger on it because it is all mental games for control and emotional abuse. To the world outside of our home he is the charmer, the wonderful guy, would do anything for you! And, he would do anything for anyone else, but NOT for his family. But at the same time he hates everyone and they are somehow the cause for why his life is like it is.

I guess I'll explain what I mean by giving a couple of examples. Just recently we went to my nephew and neices house for a visit. Oh my...my husband was the epidemy of greatness! He helped with the dishes, even came over and helped me walk across the room (actually held me like he was my crutch). See, I recently had foot surgery and am in a walking boot with crutches right now. Anyway, then we go to leave and I'm sitting on the floor of the back section of our truck (see the cab only has jumper seats in the back, but I had to leave my foot propped up and straight out, so I was sitting on the floor). Well, after a while I realized that this was a very uncomfortable position and took up most of the room so that there wasn't much room left for my dog (a labrador retriever - 54 lbs). So, I waited til we came to a gas station and while he was pumping gas I was going to readjust myself into a better position, but I realized that I couldn't reach the door handle and would have to have my husband open the door for me and help me out. So, as soon as he opens the door I asked if he would go around and open the door to help me. He hopped in and said, let's get out of the gas station and go to the parking lot (Costco). I thought that was reasonable...so I said sure. We get to the parking lot and we just sit there, so I ask him again...will you open the door for me? At this point he won't open the door but thinks that I ought to just stay like I am...so finally I get him to open the door (from inside the vehicle) but he still won't get out and come around and help me. So I get out myself, do all the adjusting I need while he sits "pouting" in the front seat because I wouldn't stay in my uncomfortable position. Then I find out later that the reason he wouldn't help me is that I didn't share all the details of what I was trying to do with him up front. So, I'm riding in the back, still very uncomfortable and I ask him to please put the air conditioning on. It's getting hot and my hair is blowing wildly in my face. He says, it's either Starbucks or Airconditioning...it's not like he can't afford the extra $10.00 it might cost to run the ac so that his family can have some comfort...he's a Col in the AF! So, I rode for 4 hours in a very uncomfortable state...by the time we got home I was so mad, I no longer wanted Starbucks, especially not with him.

This may seem minor, but this kind of thing happens ALL THE TIME!! It's his way or the highway constantly! We don't ever have normal conversations...he is always trying to get me to see everything his way, trying to change me into his ideal version of me, or trying to teach me or the rest of the family a lesson. I feel like I'm losing my mind. Sometimes I think I'm the crazy one because he'll come into the room and totally turn our conversation into a crazy-making conversation. He comes in to talk to me and suddenly, out of the blue, starts blaming all the dysfunction in our family on the fact that I homeschooled the kids. He has been disconnected from his family for most of their lives...he works and works and works...work is his life, when he's not working, he's home working on work. He's not a mentor or a leader for the kids, rather he demands and throws subtle insults when everyone doesn't hop to and do things exactly how he wants them. The dysfunction couldn't possibly be from his being an absentee husband and father! I have been married to the man for 25 years and I have never once seen inside his heart...he has kept me at arms distance for 25 years. I am learning that this is very Narcisstic behavior and learning how to not own his behavior. So, this morning when he started trying to blame all of life on me, I immediately said, "No, you have to own some of this too....what about when you've been so disconnected from our family that you wouldn't even talk to us" (if he doesn't get his way, he punishes us all by giving us the silent-treatment for 3+ days)....blah, blah, blah. So, now he's back in his silent, pouty mode...not talking to us and doing his own thing. He just left to run errands and won't be back for the next 2 or 3 hours....or so that's what he says.

HELP!! I want out, I really don't think I can handle this anymore!!

I have recently ordered the book "Malignant Self-Love" which is all about Narcissm. I really think that this is what he suffers from and I am trying to learn as much as I can about it so that I know how to cope with him. But, I almost think it's too late, I don't know if this can be mended. I'm afraid that if I stay with him that I will end up in an insane assylum. It almost seems like this is his intent to drive me crazy!! It's almost like he has no capacity for emotions or for compassion for people. He either missed that gene or was stunted in the growth of emotions and compassion.

Can you offer any insight into this. Does this behavior ring any bells for you? I probably gave you a very poor example...there are plenty of worse ones, I'm just sooo tired of dealing with it that I can't really think right now. 
 
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May 13, 2008, 9:41 am PDT

Support For Wildwood

Wildwood:  I have followed your story for some time and quite frankly I don't know how you stood the dysfunctional behavior as long as you have.  Your husband is a very sick man and you had the misfortune of getting hooked up with him.  Your trump card will be living a healthy life in spite of him.

 

I want to send some validation your way.  You must have more faith in yourself and your girls.  The apple does not fall too far from the tree.  You have been an excellent example for them in the sense you have supported them, cared for them and been emotionally available for them for many years.  It may appear your husband has lured them into his camp but I believe he has a false sense of security.  Once he starts his controlling behavior with them - they will have their own light bulb moment and reflect on all the incidents they witnessed with him controlling you.  Take a huge breath of air and sit back and watch him do himself in - because he will.  He has so much practice and I doubt he knows anything different.

 

Its time for you to get some serenity back into your life and your youngest daughter.  Life is too short!  You may not have had a great mother's day this year but you will in the future.  You and your girls can put all of this negative behavior behind you.  Start planning next year's mother's day - make a reservation - plan it ahead and then you can get out of Dodge before Mr. Wonderful can ruin it.  Make a plan!!!

 

You are a great mom and you deserve so much more.  Keep coming to the board and get the support you need.  Do not go to an empty well for water - meaning don't look for support where there is none.  We care and we do understand what you are going through.

 

Peace,

 

Very Irish

 
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May 13, 2008, 9:49 am PDT

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May 13, 2008, 10:06 am PDT

Jungle Fighter Mentality...

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 Pleasance and all who "prayed" and understood.   Thank you Bless you, and know you are my inspiration.   I did have a "fall on your knees" moment when he came to get HIS (?) furniture out of the barn. What he took was the furniture we had when first married (his) and when he opened the barn (which he was too lazy to help me deal with 30 accumulated stuff and memories but durn hotfooted to help HIMSELF), I saw all the childrens toys, stuff no longer in use, Halloween decorations (big time of year for me and girls) and well I ran to  the back of a  tree (he didn't know) and cried and cried and cried with the heartbreak of reality, I cried so much I thought for sure I would just melt into the pool of my tears and "disappear" in the puddle at my feet (here I am hiding behind a tree having my "private" cry while he is oblivious to anything but "his" mindset of taking care of him. )

 

  I "died" that day, or rather something inside me died (my childhood thoughts of forever after, and or being cared for and truly loved for me. )  I hit the ground on my knees and (sorry for the religious references, but for me it worked) and asked God to take away this unbearable pain.   I said "HELP!" and honestly I got STRENGTH from letting go of those years of built up tears.  It was "cleansing" and awakening.   I got my help and my answer............."Did I really want to live with someone who could cause me such pain, and be TOTALLY OBLIVIOUS to it (and only see "his" needs)?  NO!!!!  Did I want to take complete charge (mentally and emotionally) of getting away from such pain?  Resounding YES!!!!  At that point I knew, there was REALLY no turning back, and frankly I really didn't want to.   I let go of my "dreams" and the man I hoped for and "saw" like I never had before, that ME had to take care of ME.   And, gosh, that was what I was supposed to have KNOWN all along, and it was going to be OK. Not over, but ok to look out for number one and  number two (my youngest).  I had really been the one to WIN! A victory over adversity, and anamosity.

 

  Now, pain and age and my own emotional and physical sickness, outrage and anger, and fears all came together to "force" me to find the fortitude and strength to "free" myself emotionally and physically (matter of survival?) to walk the LONG walk to emotional happiness. 

 

  I realized I had started on this journey YEARS ago, but hoped I didn't have to pick which fork in the road to follow, in short I "hoped" he would be the man I needed and I wouldn't be faced with the decision of protecting self (from emotional abuses). 

 

  I WAS A COWARD, had lost my own "free will" capabilities and had given my power away.  All those years of "hope" suddenly DIED their final death.   I grieved, and gained strength from "letting go" of childish "dreams" of happily ever after.

 

   Like a lightbulb, I saw years of selling self out,  (done in specks of acquiessence hardly noticible at the time) and how it left me  begging for a crumb of empathy  and compassion from the person who STOLE my self esteem. IRONIC?.  VERY humbling.  I saw all the things that hadn't earlier "really made any sense" and most of all, I saw my "enemies" REAL weaknesses.   For to me anyone that can ONLY think of self, and manipulates others to do the same, is the one with the REAL handicap.   To be real and exist they have to FORCE others to bow to them...........how sad, what an existance for a human being.   To be this way was against EVERYTHING I had been taught, learned and believed in.   Oh my, what strength I got from these "God sent" (again sorry for the preach) revelations.  My mom calls these "front porch moments", which I still don't understand where that comes from, but hey, it was a whopper of a light bulb ME IS GOING TO BE OK, IF NOT BETTER IN THE LONG RUN MOMENT.

 

  I realized being unable to "let go" had REALLY been what kept me prisioner all along. The sellout of me, left me with no "inner strength"...........but  I really was fighting all along for ME to exist.

 

  Ok, so here is what I have learned from experience.

 

  The most important element of "breaking the bonds of abuse" is to have the mentality of the abuser, temporiarly, a "know your enemy" or rather your souls enemy.

 

  IN short, they do what they do because they are UNABLE to really relate, empathize and think of others and their needs and feelings.  USE this, back on them.  Stop caring about them, the manipulations and the pain.  Get in Jungle fighter mentality.  This was pretty easy for me, having been a "tomboy", and well equipped with "former life" self esteem.   I called on my "survival" of the boys, instincts.

 

  Think back to your childhood experiences, where boys were "yuck" ,full of themselves, and braggarts more than "do its".  Remember how the school yard boys always laughed at and put down the girls as inferior? Or the jerk that was mean to you cause you didn't want to "go steady" with such an arrogant and mean turd? Remember how "small" they seemed to make you feel if you "rejected" their bunglings at "love", which , according to these immature morons, was supposed to be gotten by force, manipulation and intimidation?  It made you hurt, angry, disgusted, and fearful?  Well, DUH! To me being "that" kind of  a girl, all batty eyed and dumb was an INSULT. Ok so realize, your abuser, never matured past the school yard bully stage of emotional maturity, where you ASK, not take by force, you earn, not steal someones love.

 

  Once you realize who REALLY is the emotionally, and mentally "stunted" individual here, the rest kinda just comes. Get over the need to protect them, and the embarrassement that you are actually MARRIED to an emotionally stunted man.  We all make mistakes, to keep repeating them is the shame.

 

  Self preservation, in spite of horrendous manipulations for you to "be taken by force" into the nether land of emotional and physical abuse, is prime.  It IS up to you to free you, and there is just NO getting around it. 

 

 Sometimes that means (usually does) you have to adopt the mentality of the bully, to beat the bully at his game. Get MEAN, i and unfeeling (for othersO inside.  Do not let them know you have "changed".  It is essential to hold your "ace in the hole" the NEW you close to your chest.   Disarm, but act wiser with YOU, not the two of you, in mind.  Be warned, good acting skills in order, as they CAN sense the change, you have to work on being "secretive" not open as is your usual nature.

 

  Jungle mentality.  In the jungle NO one helps you survive.  Your wits, and your inner strength is ALL you have to call on, and for gosh sakes DO NOT TELL THE "ENEMY" you game plans or thoughts or actions in your own behalf.  This is THE single most important rule of the jungle and how you can get out.   STOP TALKING!!!!!  STOP TALKING!!!!!!!!!!!!  STOP TALKING.

 

  Start DOING.  IF you talk, or try and talk it into better, all you do is ALERT the "enemy" how to "outfox" you.  Loose lips will sink your ship.   I know it is hard to see someone you loved, as the enemy, but take heart, you did not make them the enemy, they made themselves your enemy by their choice to "steal" away your right to choose for yourself, what treatment you will expect and deserve.

 

  When someone abuses, they made the declaration that they are not to be trusted, fair game for what ever consequences they must themselves face. They will fight with all the resources, and strength they have to not give up "status quo", they become obsessed with "winning" and everything in your life is a "life preserver" to their quest to over power your inner soul.  FIGHT your fight, your quiet fight to save yourself.

 

  Sometimes you have to "reverse" mentality your way out of this, it will require you to "change who you really are" long enough to survive.  By this I mean you have to shift your normal, think of others, empathy and good qualities to those of "survival" mode, do the opposite of what you NORMALLY would do the "get along with others"..........but play the game by their (the abusers rules).

 

  This is what I did, but CAUTION, the threat of violence or if such exists, is REAL.  Do not mess with that in any form.  However if your abuser is really a coward, and primarily into emotional abuses or "mind games" LEARN THE RULES THEY PLAY BY,  find their 'weaknesses".   Buy into their 'self talk" of looking out for number one, while purporting to look out for others.  Use this on them.

 

  In other words with faced with the financial stalls, an abusive spouse uses to abuse financially and also to cut off any means to relief, play it like this.  Keep promoting how this "change" of scene will be to THEIR advantage.  If they smell rejection, they will cling to you.  Don't reject, sell the advantages to THEM. FLATTER their egos, and get them disarmed. I know it is hard to "play act" and to us it seems so "unnatural" and devious.  Remember however, that is EXACTLY what they do. Say one thing and do another.  Promise devotion, love and change while really upping the ante. They USE peoples weak points to manipulate.............use their overthetop ego needs, and need to power over to get them off track of what you are REALLY doing to save you. 

 

  Promote how being "single" or moving out is best for them, tell them you know you are hard to live with (lie) and that  they deserve some peace, (while you work on your issues (lie)  make it appear temporiary, a "time out" from the demands you know you have unfairly made (lie).  Flatter, sell and  use all you "acting abilities" to flatter their  ego and self interest they have.   They will use finances, as an excuse not to affect change.  You may have to get REAL creative and learn to "lie" to them about that too. This was the hardest for me as I am so very adamant about "truth" in all my relationships.  Becoming a practiced "liar" to protect self was probably the hardest thing for me. But it is essential for your survival.

 

  If they think you are all about THEM and what they need, and sell it as "their" just rewards for being so stressed by you (another lie) and how the deserve time to themselves away from you and the kids, and you are beginning to realize what a whacko (lie) you have been and how you think this time away no matter what it costs (lie) is what they really deserve for putting up with you (lie) and that you think it might save the marriage (lie) and well you get the idea.   Reverse phychology, sometimes works wonders.

 

   The hardest thing to do is to "make, force, or otherwise tell a bully what to do.  Worse to tell them what YOU are going to do. 

    Some cannot be overpowered with force, and it is dangerous to try.

     In my case I "took charge" and just did it.  However in many cases that will get you DEAD. Only you know how to manipulate your abusers away from you. In the meantime look out for YOU.  Try and stop being emotional, this angers them as they really do not understand EMOTIONS. 

 

  Oh, I had a wonderful Mothers Day with my mom, and youngest and other family members.  I also did manage to get my riding mower (essential for me to keep up the place, SNAKES) and did get gifts from the older girls, (they are beginning to realize how Daddy's had led them into a horrible place to be) and to miss mom.  However ANY reconcilliation with anyone at this point will only validate it is ok to treat me that way, and poof! all back to normal. NOT.

 

  I have become "cold" to the emotional pull to make nice, even when others don't.  Besides they really do need to be independant of me, and this is a good way to effect that.

 

  Take care all, and thank you thank you thank you, and Pleasance your name says it all. How very Pleasant to have your patience, care and concern, and quiet strength to support and guide us all in this journey to emotional freedom. 

 

 

   

 

Oh my....I think this is exactly where I'm at. We are still together....I came back to him after 3 years seperation so that the kids could find healing. Ironically, they are finding healing in realizing that they don't need their father to make it in life. I am now trying to find myself again.

The thing I'm struggling with in all of this is that it feels sooo dishonest to me and then I end up confused because I feel like I'm becoming him by not telling him things, by not sharing, by withholding information concerning my emotions. Actually, I've become rather cold....ironically, it doesn't even seem to bother him. Weird!!

Thank you for this....I'm going to print it and read it again!
Kiarababe

(Sorry...I'm new here and I don't know how to reply with just a portion of your post quoted...)
 
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May 13, 2008, 10:19 am PDT

no message??

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There was no message in this post....should there have been??
 
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May 13, 2008, 10:42 am PDT

Validation for Kirababeo3

Reading your message brought back so many horrible painful memories.  My abuser was my father and he did everything you mentioned and more.  He too had a dual personality - his public image "Mr. Wonderful" and his home image - devil in disguise.  He could give the "silent treatment" which is a definite form of mental and emotional abuse for days, even weeks.  He tortured the entire family and we never really knew what triggered it or what would end "the mood."  

 

He could "gaslight" my mom when everything seemed to be going OK.  He might ask her if she would like to go out to dinner and where she would like to go.  She would say it didn't matter - he would insist she pick a restaurant.  They would get in the car and of course my mother thought they were headed for the restaurant she picked out but he would drive right past it.  When she would ask why they didn't stop or "where are we going" - he would go off on her because she was so ungrateful.  No win situation!  Insanity! Abuse, big time.

 

You have taken the first step to changing your life - because once you educate yourself about abuse - it's impossible to remain in the same mindset.  Your inner voice is telling you (no screaming) that you are not in a safe or healthy place and now you must give it the attention it needs.  Your inner voice is your safety valve to keep you from harms way.  Do not second guess yourself - you know what he is doing is wrong and it is not about you.  Abuse is about control and power.

 

The best thing you can do for yourself is to get yourself a counselor - someone who is experienced with domestic abuse.  Learning to take back your power and be the person he would not allow you to be is a challenge but so worth it.  Once you understand the process, you can begin to clear your head and make whatever plans necessary to keep yourself healthy and safe.

 

Please keep posting because this message board has a large community of supporters who know exactly what you are living and how you feel.  You can sort out your feelings in a safe and supportive environment. 

 

We care,

Very Irish

 
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Thank you, irishvery

It is the first step for me (which actually started about 7 years ago / with a 3 year separation--which at first I still covered for him that our separation was due to a military move). It is embarassing that it took me so long to recognize it as abuse.

The thing your father did to your mother (with her choosing the restaurant) just recently happened to me. My husband took me up to the mountains to a little restaurant for breakfast recently. While we were in the truck (about a 45 min. drive), he told me I could pick the music. I like Contemporary Christian music and Switchfoot (a contemporary Christian band) was on the radio, so I said "I like this, can we listen to this?" He proceeded to harp on me for the next 1/2 hour about why couldn't I just pick something from his cd case, why did I always have to be judgemental towards him....was his music not good enough? The more I tried to explain that I just simply liked the song that was playing on the radio the worse it got. Finally, after about 1/2 hr. I opened his CD case and put on Basia (who I like, but I just didn't feel like listening to at the moment). He was happy. He never really was giving me a choice...

This is such typical behavior....I learned early on that I needed to make sure that he thought what we were doing was his idea, if not we wouldn't be able to do it. But anymore, I don't want to play that game. I lost myself in this man's eerie world somewhere and I am determined to find myself again and not submit to this crazy-making game.

I am becoming enlightened....however, at the same time it is soooo sad to me. I want to reach out to him, but everytime I do, he destroys me emotionally and mentally. He is giving me no choice but to be cold, uncaring, secretive and unattached right back at him. It seems to be the only way he likes to be dealt with! Did you hear that....he actually likes to be dealt with this way....there is no winning.

I feel like he's a vampire sucking all the life out of me. It's almost like he feeds on my emotions and "how he can spin my world out of control". It's sick!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thank you for your response. I will be around for a while....I know this is going to be a hard road and I know that I'll need people to lean on who have already been through it.
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If you keep your focus on yourself and make a plan - you will not get caught up in the mire of "what he thinks, what he wants, what he doesn't want, etc. etc."

 

You may not know what your plan is today, but you should have a short term and a long term plan.  It's vitally important you put your ducks in a row.  You have no way of knowing what the future holds.  You may not be considering a divorce or separation but it may end up that way.  You need copies of all pertinent financial papers, i.e. tax returns, bank accounts, investments, social security numbers (both his and yours), retirement accounts, passports, credit cards.  If you gather this information when he is not suspicious, you have a far better chance to obtain all the information you need and then you give it to someone you trust to hold for you.  Sometimes things get real ugly when you least expect it - you don't want to be cheated out of whatever financial support you are legally entitled to.

 

Some women get hung up with staying in an abusive marriage because of their wedding vows.  However, the marriage vows you took had nothing to do with abuse.  Your husband promised to love and cherish you.  If abuse had been part of the vows, I guarantee you would not have signed up for cruise.  God never intended for anyone to try to be a partner with an abuser - its impossible.  Especially a narcissistic one!!! You cannot be the person God intended you to be when you are being abused.

 

Seriously think about getting a counselor.  If for no reason other than to document with a professional what your life is like and get the abuse documented.  You will feel better and it will help later down the road.  I recommend therapy because sometimes after living with abuse, it's very difficult to separate normal from abusive.  We become conditioned and guess at what is normal.  When you stand back and look at the whole picture - its easier to see the dysfunction.

 

There is a wealth of information and a suggested reading guide to assist you with your education of abuse at the top of this board.  The diagram of  the "abuse cycle" is incredibly accurate and helpful to spot behaviors in the abuser. 

 

 Be Peaceful,

Very Irish

 
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May 13, 2008, 4:05 pm PDT

still trapped

I had a plan last week, to get out of the house with the kids before he comes back from his trip. I failed. I changed my mind the day before, thinking that I will not be able to live with myself if I "stabb him in the back" like that. I chose to be ready to go, but wait for him in the house and tell him what I want. I did tell him everything that I wanted to tell him, but he doesn't let me go. He kept saying: no, don't do that, no, let's stay together...I don't have the strenght to say here all that followed. He says now the right things, he does the right things now as he's never done before but I told him I can't trust anything from him anymore and I can't go back, I crossed a bridge and I can't go back. He keeps saying that from now on his first priority is to make me happy, he says that just now he realizes how stupid he was and how much he hurt me. I am sick of all this. I am going to keep going to my counselor, that I started seeing last week, and work on the next step.

Why didn't I listen to you and just GO? I could almost taste the freedom last week. And now I am back in the mud.

 

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